Mooney44Cards;929266 wrote:Ya if this is your response to someone who is trying to find some common ground and be civil, I could never convince you of anything ever so I wasn't really talking to you to begin with.

I Wear Pants;929282 wrote:Glory Days doesn't want to be civil. He wants to invade anyone that disagrees and bomb everyone to bring peace and democracy to the world.

I Wear Pants;929282 wrote:Glory Days doesn't want to be civil. He wants to invade anyone that disagrees and bomb everyone to bring peace and democracy to the world.

I Wear Pants;929374 wrote:Example of a point where capitalism doesn't work because people are blinded by greed or stupidity. In a perfect world the banks would see that they wouldn't benefit from selling such shit bonds but in the real world they'd rather make that quick buck and worry about what happens later.

That's not to say I don't think capitalism is the best model to base things off of. I just think that especially in some of the financial areas we need to be more careful about regulating it (while being sure to not over regulate). Of course this is all probably a lot more difficult than it would seem.

iclfan2;929473 wrote:I disagree with you, because it wasn't a free market. With the government being intertwined with Fannie and Freddie the free market could not work as it would.

Mooney44Cards;929311 wrote:You're going off on a tangent here.....while some people in these protests are chanting for free healthcare, etc. the central message is hold Wall Street accountable. That is after all why they are occupying Wall Street. You can't control everyone and everything that is being said/put on a sign. Nor can you control who joins your cause. So while you may not agree with dirty hippie #4 holding a sign saying "Universal Healthcare for All", nor may you like the fact that unions have joined the cause, that doesn't mean that you may not agree that Wall Street is out of control and sooner or later someone needs to be held accountable.

fish82;929485 wrote:The central message is no such thing. Their published list of demands makes it perfectly clear what they're protesting for. They're silly little wannabe Bolsheviks...nothing more.

That said...I hope they set up permanent camp until the '12 election. You can't buy this kind of insurance.

Cleveland Buck;929468 wrote:There is no point in regulating these things. When you are a banker and have access to borrow unlimited trillions at almost zero percent interest, and you know you have a lender of last resort waiting to bail you out, you are going to speculate in something with it. If the government regulates one thing, they blow up a bubble in another. Either way, the problem is not that government isn't regulating enough things, it is that these bankers have access to nearly free money that is created out of thin air and they are free to speculate knowing they will be bailed out when their bubble bursts.

Mooney44Cards;929509 wrote:I love how they need to have any demands to begin with. The media kept pushing and pushing that OWS had to have demands. As if not having a solution right away somehow prevents you from coming the realization that you have a problem.

News flash: a bunch of fed up regular Americans can't solve the complex social and financial problems of a corrupt government in one concise easy-to-read list of demands....join us at 11!

fish82;929529 wrote:Where are the "regular Americans?" All I see is a bunch of naked, feces covered miscreants. They don't even have the class to have some guys don respectful Uncle Sam unis like the teabaggers did.

Mooney44Cards;929537 wrote:Feces covered miscreants are Americans.

Mooney44Cards;929509 wrote:News flash: a bunch of fed up regular Americans can't solve the complex social and financial problems of a corrupt government in one concise easy-to-read list of demands....join us at 11!

Mooney44Cards;929537 wrote:Feces covered miscreants are Americans.

majorspark;929551 wrote:They should at least have a general idea of what the problem is and a basic idea what needs done to fix it. No one expects average citizens who may not know the ins and outs of economics and government to lay out a concise policy. These people are all over the place.

Hold Wall Street accountable. Washington is in bed with Big Corporations. Yet Washington needs more power. These people confuse the hell out of me.

majorspark;929557 wrote:Likewise greedy slimebag CEO's are working Americans.

Manhattan Buckeye;929566 wrote:In addition, pay off all of my debts, ensure a living wage for all that work, or don't work....doesn't matter. Give me free everything.

Maybe we should get the printing press going and just give every American $100,000 or so and see what happens.

majorspark;929551 wrote:They should at least have a general idea of what the problem is and a basic idea what needs done to fix it. No one expects average citizens who may not know the ins and outs of economics and government to lay out a concise policy. These people are all over the place.

Hold Wall Street accountable. Washington is in bed with Big Corporations. Yet Washington needs more power. These people confuse the hell out of me.

Manhattan Buckeye;929635 wrote:"I still don't understand why people waste energy attacking these people. No they are not perfect white God-fearing well dressed citizens, no not all of their ideas are good, no there is no clear "end-game" here. But shouldn't you be mocking the real problem, not the people who want to solve it....even if they have no idea how? "

You asked and answered your own question. Why should we pay attention to people that have no idea? Don't these people that want "solutions" just want entitlements and handouts?

Manhattan Buckeye;929338 wrote:"You seem to be discounting Occupy Wall Street because you think the blame is on the Obama Administration. "

I'm going to lose my crap.

I'm discounting OWS because I think they are a bunch of uneducated fools.

fish82;929485 wrote:The central message is no such thing. Their published list of demands makes it perfectly clear what they're protesting for. They're silly little wannabe Bolsheviks...nothing more.

That said...I hope they set up permanent camp until the '12 election. You can't buy this kind of insurance.

Ty Webb;929641 wrote:Uneducated fools you say?

I have watched alot of the media coverage of the "OWS" protests and I have seen multiple doctors ,lawyers,and teachers speaking about why they have joined this movement. Are they un-educated fools?

Manhattan Buckeye;929655 wrote:Yes.

Do I need to repost the Atlanta meeting? What exactly do they want?

In particular, what do you want? How do you see the U.S. getting out of this mess? Do you expect us to go full government control of everything? How has that worked out for us for the last few years?

Mooney44Cards;929605 wrote:Look, I'm not going to defend everything they're asking for because, again, nobody will ever agree on everything. But Washington does need more power, but the power to protect its people. As it is, Washington cannot protect the people because they are paid off by the big corporations in what is essentially a legal bribe to protect the best interests of Wall Street to the detriment of average joes.

Money spent in Washington is taken from the people who produced it all over America. Washington produces little real value on its own. National defense and courts are essential to our freedom and prosperity, but that's a small part of what the federal government does these days. Most federal activity involves taking money from some people, giving it to others and keeping a big chunk as a transaction fee.

Every business and interest group in society has an office in Washington devoted to getting some of the $2.5 trillion federal budget for itself: senior citizens, farmers, veterans, teachers, social workers, oil companies, labor unions — you name it.

Walk down K Street, the heart of Washington's lobbying industry, and look at the directory in any office building. They're full of lobbyists and associations that are in Washington, for one reason: because, as Willie Sutton said about why he robbed banks, "That's where the money is."

It's not just money that's being sucked into Washington. It's human talent, the most valuable productive asset of all. Too much of the talent at America's most dynamic companies is now diverted from productive activity to either getting corporate welfare from Congress or protecting the company from political predation.

Slow economic growth can be blamed in large measure on just this process — the expansion of the parasite economy into the productive economy. The number of corporations with Washington offices increased 10-fold between 1961 and 1982. The number of people lobbying in Washington doubled in the late 1970s — and it has doubled again just since 2000. The number of lawyers per million Americans stayed the same from 1870 to 1970, then more than doubled in just 20 years. The Federal Register, where new regulations are printed, now prints a record 75,000 pages a year.

As the parasite economy grows, taxing some people and doling out favors to others, everybody gets sucked in. Even if you don't want a government subsidy, you need a lobbyist to protect you from being taxed and regulated by the other groups and their lobbyists.

Mooney44Cards;929605 wrote:I still don't understand why people waste energy attacking these people. No they are not perfect white God-fearing well dressed citizens, no not all of their ideas are good, no there is no clear "end-game" here. But shouldn't you be mocking the real problem, not the people who want to solve it....even if they have no idea how?