ksig489;923464 wrote:I didnt realize that Yahoo breaking a story was "Self-reporting"

You realize that OSU had already reported it to the NCAA when Yahoo released their story right? Yahoo made an information request for emails and when OSU was looking for the emails they found the ones between Tressel and Cicero and they reported it.

HitsRus;923447 wrote:I don't see why these kids cannot make a small stipend on their 'fame' as a college athlete. Why not? Everybody else is making a ton.. If you allow a kid to make a small amount of cash, subject to a limit, and perhaps a filing of the event/job with the NCAA, alot of this crap goes away. Then maybe the NCAA can get out of the picayune investigation business. Then maybe the talking heads on ESPN would have to talk about sports instead of scandal. Now I realize that might be challenge for some of them....but there is always "E" channel.

You think that would make this go away? They will always push for more. Let them make a small amount of cash, and they will do things against the rules to make just a little more.

HitsRus;923361 wrote:as if if it were that cut and dried. They traded memoribilia for tattoos. That might be clear to you and me. Maybe not so much to an inner city kid looking for a few bucks.

Bullshit. They knew the rules. Compliance goes over it with them over and over again. Who was it that said they knew it was wrong and did it anyways?

ksig489;923464 wrote:I didnt realize that Yahoo breaking a story was "Self-reporting"

Ohio State had self-reported long before the Yahoo! story. All the story did was push up the date when OSU made the public announcement.

HitsRus;923447 wrote:I don't disagree with that. I just question why baby sitting 19 year olds should be a main focus of their job at all...and whether the penalties are comensurate with the 'crimes'. We are not talking amounts here that changes the competitive balance on the football field. We are not talking about $300,000 in loans from agents or houses or even cars. I don't see why these kids cannot make a small stipend on their 'fame' as a college athlete. Why not? Everybody else is making a ton.. If you allow a kid to make a small amount of cash, subject to a limit, and perhaps a filing of the event/job with the NCAA, alot of this crap goes away. Then maybe the NCAA can get out of the picayune investigation business. Then maybe the talking heads on ESPN would have to talk about sports instead of scandal. Now I realize that might be challenge for some of them....but there is always "E" channel.

So where does it stop?

The bigger HS like Massillon, McKinley, and the GCL schools in Cincinnati sell jerseys and other memorabilia. Should the 16-17 year olds get some kind of stipend because their making the schools money?

bigkahuna;923569 wrote:So where does it stop?

The bigger HS like Massillon, McKinley, and the GCL schools in Cincinnati sell jerseys and other memorabilia. Should the 16-17 year olds get some kind of stipend because their making the schools money?

Do they sell the star players number each year? Didn't think so.

Pick6;923409 wrote:lol @ tobias always bitching about/bringing up that OSU players get the girls. Didnt a couple, or half the team run the train on your old woman or something?? seems like you have something against that.

Nope. In all seriousness that was frat dudes in BG/Kent. I don't have anything against it, actually. I was the big man on campus in high school so I get how it goes. Simply saying that they have a great situation set up for them.

HitsRus;923388 wrote:^^^Oh right, I'm the racist....while you defend their exploitation with your middle class white morality. A kid from the inner city sees drugs sold on the street corners everyday...why would they be uncomfortable in that environment? Where did I say they can't help it? I didn't...you did. You called them low character. Nice.

That is actually really, really racist.

bigkahuna;923569 wrote:The bigger HS like Massillon, McKinley, and the GCL schools in Cincinnati sell jerseys and other memorabilia. Should the 16-17 year olds get some kind of stipend because their making the schools money?

No.

bases_loaded;923577 wrote:Do they sell the star players number each year? Didn't think so.

I know at my school, they sold jerseys with numbers on them. Sometimes they were a players number, and sometimes they weren't. We sold a set # of jerseys that really didn't change from year to year. They were popular numbers in general; 1,7,11....

So, I'll stand by my example.

Players could always play Semi-pro that pays or another bottom feeder league until they are eligible.

Tobias Fünke;923603 wrote:...
No.

Are you saying "No" in agreement with me or "no" disputing if it happens or not?

bigkahuna;923744 wrote:I know at my school, they sold jerseys with numbers on them. Sometimes they were a players number, and sometimes they weren't. We sold a set # of jerseys that really didn't change from year to year. They were popular numbers in general; 1,7,11....

So, I'll stand by my example.

Players could always play Semi-pro that pays or another bottom feeder league until they are eligible.

I agree with you Kahuna. College football goes against the free market system that this country is built upon. The players aren't paid now (outside of the scholarship and fees). I've heard suggestions about paying them something. But again, this is just an arbitrary number. Paying a kid $1,000/year who is not worth anything to the school from a marketing perspective doesn't make sense. And paying a kid $1,000/year who is worth exponentially more than that doesn't make any sense either. Maybe college football found some sort of balance in years past to avoid problems on a massive scale. However the present day exploitation of the sport on TV and in terms of memorabilia has put that era to an end. This sport will have one massive problem after another so long as if follows its current model.

I'm not smart enough to have the perfect solution. If I were king, I'd cancel the entire sport as it stands. I'd make the NFL change it's rule about mandatory time post HS before a player can get drafted. I'd find investors to develop a minor league system with the NFL's assistance. Ohio State and other big time schools could then sponsor a team in order to get their name associated with it - so you'd still have "the Ohio State Buckeyes" as an example. However the players woudl be paid professionals. If they wanted to attend school, they'd have to gain admission and pay tuition like everyone else. But their wouldn't be any obligation.

You think that would make this go away? They will always push for more. Let them make a small amount of cash, and they will do things against the rules to make just a little more.

At least that's a fair question. Not bad for a Michigan fan. Maybe you could ask Chris Webber.

I know at my school, they sold jerseys with numbers on them. Sometimes they were a players number, and sometimes they weren't. We sold a set # of jerseys that really didn't change from year to year. They were popular numbers in general; 1,7,11....

So, I'll stand by my example.

slippery slope here! next thing you know pee wee players get their cut from sale of parent's jerseys.

HitsRus;923779 wrote:At least that's a fair question. Not bad for a Michigan fan. Maybe you could ask Chris Webber.




slippery slope here! next thing you know pee wee players get their cut from sale of parent's jerseys.

How about you ask Troy Smith?

"Even if (athletes) got paid, they would still go after it. It's a catch 22."

http://www.omaha.com/article/20111005/SPORTS/710059770/1199

Another interesting quote from Smith in that article...

"To tell you the truth, it had nothing to do with a $500 thing between myself and a booster," Smith said. "I took the rap for a lot of people so a lot of people wouldn't get in trouble. But that story can't be told unless I want to get back at a lot of people. I'm not that type of guy. Never will."

With all due respect to Troy's abilities and what he did for OSU: I wouldn't believe the man if he told me the sun would rise in the East and set in the West. There's a reason he's not seen around Columbus like so many ex-players, living in the glow of adoring fans.

As for the remark that saying some kids come from backgrounds where the values don't fit what OSU is trying to instill in them is somehow racist: baloney.

If a guy grows up in an environment where he sees people breaking the law every day to get what they want, and he's being told to get what he can, where he can, whether it's against the rules or not; he's got just as much a chance of ignoring the warnings in college and breaking rules as not.

It's not racism, it's a fact of life. And sadly, in many ways, it has become culturally ingrained to the point that a lot of guys don't think twice about getting what they can.

Even if their own home life included two parents living in the home who are telling them to do things right, there is a lot of peer pressure flowing from the other direction.

And just so nobody gets the wrong idea: I'm not saying this is right, I'm just saying it's the way things are for a significant number of these guys.

whats with the obsession with Troy Smith, Karen?

Writerbuckeye;923813 wrote:There's a reason he's not seen around Columbus like so many ex-players, living in the glow of adoring fans.

lol...what a crock of shit that statement is. I know the reason, because he's in Nebraska, and before that playing in the NFL.

Yeah every ex-OSU player yearns to live in Columbus forever in the "glow of adoring fans." :rolleyes:

I agree with the rest of your statement. Sorry to say it, but these kids are just flat out stupid. I've always been under the impression that OSU had mentors, tutors, etc that would point the players in the right direction. They are either failing miserably or more efforts need to to be made to educate.

Pick6;923844 wrote:whats with the obsession with Troy Smith, Karen?

No obsession at all. It was just coincidence that I had seen that article tweeted literally right before I read HitsRUs' comment. I don't think I ripped him at all. If you don't see how that quote relates, I'm sorry. What is your obsession with Smith?

karen lotz;923850 wrote:No obsession at all. It was just coincidence that I had seen that article tweeted literally right before I read HitsRUs' comment. I don't think I ripped him at all. If you don't see how that quote relates, I'm sorry. What is your obsession with Smith?

Didnt say you ripped him, just seems odd you know everything going on about him.

Automatik;923845 wrote:lol...what a crock of **** that statement is. I know the reason, because he's in Nebraska, and before that playing in the NFL.

Think what you want, but there's a reason he never made any visits back for games or any other events that I'm aware of. Something isn't right about his relationship with OSU, as compared to most high profile players who move on. Even with NFL careers, almost all of them come back regularly for games or to participate in charity events, etc.

Pick6;923964 wrote:Didnt say you ripped him, just seems odd you know everything going on about him.

The article and his quotes are all over twitter. I know he plays for Omaha. That's pretty much it.

Writerbuckeye;923973 wrote:Think what you want, but there's a reason he never made any visits back for games or any other events that I'm aware of. Something isn't right about his relationship with OSU, as compared to most high profile players who move on. Even with NFL careers, almost all of them come back regularly for games or to participate in charity events, etc.

Because he got into a fist fight with Gonzo the night before the BCS title game after banging his girlfriend. Several of my friends (huge Buckeye fans) still blame Troy exclusively for that loss, although I think Florida beats us regardless that night. With Smith not even looking at Gonzalez that night, and Ginn injured on the opening kickoff, our offense had no shot.

How about you ask Troy Smith?

Sure, Ask Troy or any of a number of athletes. I just thought since WEBFIRE was a Michigan fan he might appreciate Webber's story(paraphrased) of how he was scrounging for money for food and saw his jersey in a shop window selling for $80...and thought WTF!

LJ;923467 wrote:You realize that OSU had already reported it to the NCAA when Yahoo released their story right? Yahoo made an information request for emails and when OSU was looking for the emails they found the ones between Tressel and Cicero and they reported it.

That isn't what I would call self reporting. A third party slaps evidence in your face, of course you are going to report it because you know they were. Obviously Yahoo had a story before requesting the emails, or there wouldn't have been a reason to.

OSU was reactive, not proactive. To give them credit is pathetic.

thedynasty1998;924285 wrote:That isn't what I would call self reporting. A third party slaps evidence in your face, of course you are going to report it because you know they were. Obviously Yahoo had a story before requesting the emails, or there wouldn't have been a reason to.

They requested emailed about Sarniak. OSU found the emails from Cicero and reported it themselves. Yahoo knew absolutely nothing about it until after OSU had reported it. Where are you coming up with this shit?

OSU was reactive, not proactive. To give them credit is pathetic.

:rolleyes:

LJ;924312 wrote:They requested emailed about Sarniak. OSU found the emails from Cicero and reported it themselves. Yahoo knew absolutely nothing about it until after OSU had reported it. Where are you coming up with this ****?

:rolleyes:

You really believe OSU was proactive in their self reporting? You live in a fantasy world.