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Jul 20, 2011 6:19 PM
Gomes for PTBNL? Consider it done.
Jul 20, 2011 6:19pm
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Jul 20, 2011 6:20 PM
They may get a bag of peaches and a trip to Cobb County to visit the Big Boss Man.
Jul 20, 2011 6:20pm
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Jul 20, 2011 9:31 PM
I'm fine giving up Wood and/or Volquez, and would be willing to give up Alonso depending on what we get back
Jul 20, 2011 9:31pm
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Jul 21, 2011 11:16 AM
This @ScrtSquirrel007 guy on twitter seems pretty adamant that the Reds are getting Jiminez.
#Reds & #Rockies agree in principle - #Ubaldo 2 b in Cincy w/ #Fowler - #Mesoraco #Frazier #Volquez & PTBNL to Colorado
#Ubaldo #Fowler 4 #Mesoraco #Frazier #Volquez deal slow due 2 Fowler "issue" - terms chngng - 24-48 hrs away - Ubaldo nxt start will b n red
Followed up with this (which is confusing as hell):
#Rockies want #Mesoraco #Volquez or #Frazier #Alonso #Volquez & #Valaika
Jul 21, 2011 11:16am
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Jul 21, 2011 11:22 AM
Does that guy work for anyone? lol is he jus some random guy? Do you know?
Jul 21, 2011 11:22am
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Nick Mangold

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Jul 21, 2011 11:28 AM
SportsAndLady;836620 wrote:Does that guy work for anyone? lol is he jus some random guy? Do you know?

No clue. He could be just making shit up or he could work for either team.
Jul 21, 2011 11:28am
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Jul 21, 2011 11:40 AM
I hope this deal gets done and I would trade Gomes for a dozen baseballs.
Jul 21, 2011 11:40am
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Nick Mangold

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Jul 21, 2011 11:47 AM
cat_lover;836638 wrote:I hope this deal gets done and I would trade Gomes for a dozen baseballs.

You mean Jiminez? I'd like to get him, but not if it means giving up Mesoraco. I know we've got Grandal, as well, but I think Mesoraco is a can't miss prospect. I also think the Rockies already have a big time catching prospect.
Jul 21, 2011 11:47am
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Jul 21, 2011 12:25 PM
I always love listening to people talk about trades and such. It always reminds me of the episode when Constanza walks into Steinbrunner's office and tells him that he has an idea on how to get Griffey (and I think bonds) and it wouldnt really cost them that much!
Jul 21, 2011 12:25pm
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Jul 21, 2011 12:31 PM
I would have no problem giving up Frazier, Volquez, Alonso, and Valaika for Jimenez.
Jul 21, 2011 12:31pm
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Jul 21, 2011 12:40 PM
se-alum;836695 wrote:I would have no problem giving up Frazier, Volquez, Alonso, and Valaika for Jimenez.

Yep. Mes is the deal breaker. The Dexter Fowler thing still doesn't make sense. He adds no value and has no place to play. Stubbs is better both offensively and defensively.
Jul 21, 2011 12:40pm
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Jul 21, 2011 1:21 PM
justincredible;836699 wrote:Yep. Mes is the deal breaker. The Dexter Fowler thing still doesn't make sense. He adds no value and has no place to play. Stubbs is better both offensively and defensively.
Makes perfect sense, the Reds LOVE below average outfielders!
Jul 21, 2011 1:21pm
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Jul 21, 2011 1:31 PM
You don't trade Mesoraco for anyone. He's a franchise catcher who is ready. If he was 19 or 20 and in A-ball, sure, you take the risk that he doesn't develop, but he's to the point where he could start and hit in the low-middle of your batting order tomorrow and handle your pitching staff. You don't trade that...
Jul 21, 2011 1:31pm
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Jul 21, 2011 1:33 PM
I'll trade a top catcher for an ace, sorry..
Jul 21, 2011 1:33pm
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Jul 21, 2011 1:33 PM
I don't know that Stubbs is better than Fowler defensively.......but he has all the attributes Dusty loves.......and most of theones Jim Bowden loved as well......the 5 tool players with 1 1/2 tools.
Jul 21, 2011 1:33pm
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Jul 21, 2011 1:36 PM
SportsAndLady;836750 wrote:I'll trade a top catcher for an ace, sorry..

If they insist on him, fine.

However, if they would take Grandal along with3 other top prospects, I'd rather do that deal. Grandal, Boxberger, Alonso and one other prospect of their choice. Colorado would be crazy to pass that up and I don't see another team being able to top that.
Jul 21, 2011 1:36pm
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Jul 21, 2011 1:41 PM
Jiminez isn't a true "ace" in my opinion. Guys like Cliff Lee, Halladay, Verlander, Kershaw are. Jiminez is definitely a nice pitcher but would he even be the best pitcher on the Reds (Cueto)?
Jul 21, 2011 1:41pm
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Jul 21, 2011 1:46 PM
justincredible;836762 wrote:Jiminez isn't a true "ace" in my opinion. Guys like Cliff Lee, Halladay, Verlander, Kershaw are. Jiminez is definitely a nice pitcher but would he even be the best pitcher on the Reds (Cueto)?
Pretty much what I've said since the Jimenez talks began. Number 2 pitcher isn't worth giving up your top prospect over.
Jul 21, 2011 1:46pm
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Jul 21, 2011 1:46 PM
Price-wise I think he's a true ace. I just don't believe in trading Mesoraco for anyone. Finding a franchise catcher who provides what he does, especially with a right-hand bat, is actually much less common in today's game than an ace. As pitching continues to dominate the sport, hitting and game management from a catcher is much more important.
Jul 21, 2011 1:46pm
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Jul 21, 2011 2:19 PM
If the deal can be done without giving up Mesoraco, then I say do it. Otherwise, I would try to trade Gomes, Hernandez, and Lewis for whatever you can get; start Heisey in left every day, bring up Mesoraco to platoon with Hanigan, bring up Hermida to back up Heisey and Sappelt or Frazier to be the other outfielder. If there is any way to move Renteria or Cordero, do that too.
Jul 21, 2011 2:19pm
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Jul 21, 2011 6:07 PM
I'm not sure what they would get for Ramon Hernandez, but if they could get somebody who can play on the team right now, I do it. Mesoraco is ready.
Jul 21, 2011 6:07pm
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Jul 21, 2011 6:52 PM
jordo212000;837053 wrote:I'm not sure what they would get for Ramon Hernandez, but if they could get somebody who can play on the team right now, I do it. Mesoraco is ready.

The way Ramon is playing right now, I wouldn't be surprised if a contender would come calling.
Jul 21, 2011 6:52pm
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Jul 21, 2011 8:24 PM
Reds definitely have to do something about the catching situation. Hernandez is swinging a great bat this year, but Hanigan is the personal catcher for Arroyo, Willis, and Leake.

Ramon needs to get in sync with one of those if not two of them. If he can't then well, trade him if a good offer is out there.
Jul 21, 2011 8:24pm