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Mar 21, 2011 10:48 PM
I agree with the Big East getting 11 teams in the tournament. It's not like there were teams with great (or even good) resumes being left out in favor of Marquette. That said, here are some more numbers, adding to what Little Danny posted up there.

Regular season non-conference wins over the NCAA field:

Ohio State: at Florida, vs. Morehead State, at Florida State, vs. UNC Asheville, vs. Oakland
Purdue: vs. Oakland, vs. Indiana State
Wisconsin: at Marquette
Michigan: at Clemson, vs. Oakland
Illinois: vs. North Carolina, vs. Gonzaga, vs. Oakland, vs. Northern Colorado
Michigan State: vs. Washington, at Oakland
Minnesota: vs. Wofford, vs. North Carolina, vs. West Virginia, vs. Akron

Big East - 29 wins, 16 teams, 1.813 wins per team
Big Ten - 20 wins, 11 teams, 1.818 wins per team

Also, Pomeroy's conference rankings:

1. Big Ten .9038
2. Big East .8645
3. Big XII .8350
4. ACC .8328
5. Pac-10 .7753
6. Mountain West .7688
7. SEC .7597
8. C-USA .6387
9. Atlantic 10 .6068
10. WAC .5705

And Sagarin's conference rankings:

1. Big Ten 84.61
2. Big East 84.53
3. Big XII 81.99
4. ACC 81.71
5. Pac-10 79.72
6. Mountain West 79.55
7. SEC 79.27
8. C-USA 76.23
9. Atlantic 10 75.52
10. Horizon 74.69
Mar 21, 2011 10:48pm
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Mar 21, 2011 11:02 PM
And while the ACC isn't a top 2 league this year, it isn't bad. I remember being admonished for saying that the ACC was a good league earlier this year. They still play good ball even if some of the traditionally strong teams like Maryland and Wake Forest were down.
Mar 21, 2011 11:02pm
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thavoice

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Mar 22, 2011 9:42 AM
My bad..i forgot that marquette was big east. Did not know that......they do not seem like a bi east team.....stupid realignment and super conference
Mar 22, 2011 9:42am
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Mar 22, 2011 9:43 AM
Little Danny;720249 wrote:On paper, the BE was justified in getting 11 teams in the tourny. Realistically speaking, one could argue for a team or two to replace them (Colorado or Alabama), but realistically speaking those teams weren't going to go anywhere in this tourny either. Following the teams in the conference, I knew however that Georgetown and Nova were on the trend downwards and should not have been invited; record, SOS and RPI be damned. Also following the teams in the conference as close as I have I knew there was no great teams in the conference, just a large number of quality teams. The BE and schools in it will bounce back.

I cannot fault the committe for putting them all in. I really cant. I do fault them for MSU and PSU though. Come one, ya gotta have a better record to get an at large bid in my opinion.
Mar 22, 2011 9:43am
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Mar 22, 2011 9:54 AM
thavoice;720636 wrote:I cannot fault the committe for putting them all in. I really cant. I do fault them for MSU and PSU though. Come one, ya gotta have a better record to get an at large bid in my opinion.

Tennessee was 19-14 (same record as Penn State and Michigan State) and got in. So was USC. Marquette was 20-14. That's ok right?
Mar 22, 2011 9:54am
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Mar 22, 2011 9:59 AM
Ya know, I can only comment on teams that I really know about and that is those from the big ten. I do not recall what Tenn record was prior to the conference tourney, nor marquette. I thought USC was a joke getting in as well. Marquette.....same thing I can say about Tennessee. I can only comment on teams like PSU and MSU of whom I have seen and followed somewhat during the B10 season. I am too busy to really pay attention to the full CBB landscape and the B10 gets my sole focus for the most part.

Going INTO the NCAA, before we see so many BE teams fall, I would say a 20-14 record in the BE is better than a team like PSU who was like 16-13 in the regular season and a MSU with a bad record too.
Mar 22, 2011 9:59am
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Mar 22, 2011 10:05 AM
thavoice;720652 wrote:Going INTO the NCAA, before we see so many BE teams fall, I would say a 20-14 record in the BE is better than a team like PSU who was like 16-13 in the regular season and a MSU with a bad record too.

You would be wrong. And you just ignore the conference tournaments? That makes sense.
Mar 22, 2011 10:05am
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Mar 22, 2011 10:05 AM
Note to self: next year, don't pick so many Big East teams to do well and maybe my bracket won't be utterly destroyed after two rounds.
Mar 22, 2011 10:05am
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Mar 22, 2011 10:15 AM
Cleveland Buck;720659 wrote:You would be wrong. And you just ignore the conference tournaments? That makes sense.

Yeah, I typically do. Ya have your teams taht have mailed it in because they suck, and teams that dont care because they are in. I rather look to see how a team did over the season and not just a few days in a row. I have never been a fan of those tournaments and think they are a waste of time.


As for my bracket...first time since I was probably 10 that I have not filled one out so it isnt about my bracket being all butchered up
Mar 22, 2011 10:15am
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Mar 22, 2011 11:40 AM
Little Danny;720270 wrote:Some validation for admitting 11 teams (I pulled this from ESPN 1530's website)


Record vs BCS teams in non-league play
Big East 29-16 (.644)
Big 12: 25-20 (.555)
ACC: 24-27 (.470)
Big 10: 17-20 (.459)
Pac 10: 12-19 (.387)
SEC: 19-24 (.441)

(Andy Glockner, SI)

The Big Least?
26 regular season/non-conference wins over NCAA field
UConn beat: Texas, Kentucky, Michigan St
West Virginia beat: Purdue, Vandy, Oakland
Syracuse beat: Michigan St, Michigan
St John's beat: Duke
Pitt beat: Texas
Notre Dame beat: Wisconsin, Gonzaga, Georgia
Louisville beat: Butler, UNLV
Cincinnati beat: Xavier
Georgetown beat: Missouri, ODU, Wofford, Utah State, Memphis
Villanova beat: UCLA, Temple, Bucknell, Boston U.
Marquette beat: Bucknell

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All this being said, again I agree the BE has failed to show up in the tournament.

Yeah. All that stuff is nice and dandy, but this is not the BCS (i.e. only the top 2 teams during the regular season make the championship.)
These regular season games (November though early January) mean very little. When it comes to mid-March, all teams that make the tournament should be on top of their games.
Mar 22, 2011 11:40am
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Mar 22, 2011 4:42 PM
If you don't put all 11 in Marquette doesnt make it and they only got 1 team in the SS
Mar 22, 2011 4:42pm
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Mar 22, 2011 8:58 PM
clickclickboom;721061 wrote:If you don't put all 11 in Marquette doesnt make it and they only got 1 team in the SS

As I said before, I think its tough to justify NOT having 11 in, especially with how pathetic the bubble was. That said, I thought some teams were greatly overseeded, and in general the conference would underachieve because I never thought it was full of great teams.
Mar 22, 2011 8:58pm
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Mar 25, 2011 7:59 PM
Unless Marquette makes a remarkable comeback (down 12-30 to Carolina), it will be another disappointed night for the big east.
Mar 25, 2011 7:59pm
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Mar 25, 2011 8:28 PM
I'm just sick of having the big east shoved down everyone's throat. 40-15 at the half is pathetic.
Mar 25, 2011 8:28pm
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Mar 25, 2011 8:29 PM
Edit, make that 44-15 at the 19 minute mark.
Mar 25, 2011 8:29pm
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Mar 25, 2011 9:08 PM
Tonight doesn't further damage shit nor is it "disappointing" for the Big East. UNC should beat Marquette rather easily and they are. They're an #11 seed in the Sweet 16. Not sure what you were expecting.
Mar 25, 2011 9:08pm
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Mar 25, 2011 9:41 PM
killer_ewok;724610 wrote:Tonight doesn't further damage shit nor is it "disappointing" for the Big East. UNC should beat Marquette rather easily and they are. They're an #11 seed in the Sweet 16. Not sure what you were expecting.

Agreed. Folks, Marquette was the 11th best team in the Big East this year. Think about that for a minute. Imagine playing in a conference were the are 10 teams better than a Sweet Sixteen Team. By comparison, North Carolina was the 2nd best team in the ACC.
Mar 25, 2011 9:41pm
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Mar 25, 2011 9:41 PM
killer_ewok;724610 wrote:Tonight doesn't further damage shit nor is it "disappointing" for the Big East. UNC should beat Marquette rather easily and they are. They're an #11 seed in the Sweet 16. Not sure what you were expecting.

Just an average conference playing above average competition - maybe you're right. I shouldn't have expected anything different.
Mar 25, 2011 9:41pm
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Mar 25, 2011 9:50 PM
Ankle Breaker;724624 wrote:Just an average conference playing above average competition - maybe you're right. I shouldn't have expected anything different.

An average team playing a pretty good team tonight. It wasn't a fuckin' conference challenge.....UNC is a #2 seed and they beat a #11. Shocking, I know......
Mar 25, 2011 9:50pm
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Mar 25, 2011 10:56 PM
killer_ewok;724630 wrote:An average team playing a pretty good team tonight. It wasn't a fuckin' conference challenge.....UNC is a #2 seed and they beat a #11. Shocking, I know......

Well excuse me, Einstein. It's the pattern I'm talking about. Check the thread title. And, by the way, we heard all year how the Big East mid-level teams could challenge for the Big 10, ACC, Big 12 titles so your argument makes no sense whatsoever.
Mar 25, 2011 10:56pm
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Mar 25, 2011 11:09 PM
Ankle Breaker;724816 wrote:Well excuse me, Einstein. It's the pattern I'm talking about. Check the thread title. And, by the way, we heard all year how the Big East mid-level teams could challenge for the Big 10, ACC, Big 12 titles so your argument makes no sense whatsoever.
Ah yes....the thread title. Yeah, it really says so much. LOL. Get fucking real. I've stated that the Big East deserved some shit but you were talking as if UNC beating Marquette handily was a black eye for the conference. It was no shock at all. In fact, it was supposed to happen so what sense does your earlier post make? The media said a lot of shit this year. They also gave the Big 10 quite a bit of love and they've been 1B. to the Big East's 1A. of disappointing performances by a conference in the tournament. Does that mean every bit of praise given to both conferences throughout the year wasn't warranted? No.

And Marquette wasn't a mid-level team in the Big East. 11 out of 16 isn't in the middle.
Mar 25, 2011 11:09pm
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Mar 26, 2011 12:15 AM
A total of 18 teams from the Big East/Big 10 made the NCAA tourney....ONE made it to the Elite 8 (Uconn).

Nice tag team effort in the tourney debacle.
Mar 26, 2011 12:15am
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Mar 26, 2011 12:30 AM
OSU blew it. Could have had 8 different conferences represented.
Mar 26, 2011 12:30am
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Mar 26, 2011 6:51 PM
killer_ewok;725126 wrote:A total of 18 teams from the Big East/Big 10 made the NCAA tourney....ONE made it to the Elite 8 (Uconn).

Nice tag team effort in the tourney debacle.

That sir, we can agree on.
Mar 26, 2011 6:51pm
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Mar 26, 2011 9:18 PM
One team made it to the Final Four after an otherwise lousy showing by the conference.....I'll take it.

And to think, Uconn finished 9th in the Big East.
Mar 26, 2011 9:18pm