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Mar 18, 2011 9:01 AM
I think there is going to be some house cleaning at OSU,the Alumni association won't put up with this kind of conduct,all the negative press against the university,Jim O'Brien for example was let go for the problem in the basketball team and I see Tressel and Smith being fired at some point this year.
Mar 18, 2011 9:01am
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Mar 18, 2011 9:11 AM
You expect the NCAA to treat all situations equally? That's funny stuff. They don't even know what they want to do most of the time. It's a bunch of tyrants who can't act in the best interest of college sports so they go authoritarian on the athletes
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Mar 18, 2011 9:11am
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Mar 18, 2011 9:12 AM
Hamler Bulldogs;716268 wrote:I think there is going to be some house cleaning at OSU,the Alumni association won't put up with this kind of conduct,all the negative press against the university,Jim O'Brien for example was let go for the problem in the basketball team and I see Tressel and Smith being fired at some point this year.

wouldn't be shocked, but i'm not predicting anything like this will happen.
Mar 18, 2011 9:12am
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Mar 18, 2011 9:30 AM
Dez Bryant mislead and got 8 games
This is what I mean....8 freakin' GAMES! Almost a whole season for what could have been just an innocent chat. The NCAA needs to concentrate on stopping things and punishing that give unscrupulous programs and coaches an unfair competitive advantage, and lighten up on the picayune shit. The organization has become like a middle school Dean of Discipline. Way too much heavy handed and unchecked authority being applied.

All this debate about who got suspended and for how long. It almost a game as competitive as what occurs on the field.

The point is none of these guys...Bryant, OSU/Tressel, Pearl deserved the heavy handed punishments that they got. It's like getting 5 days in jail and a $5000 fine for speeding 15 miles an hour over the limit.

Everybody is hung up on comparing punishments instead of looking at how ridiculous the cost of compliance has become. Seriously...because a couple of kids sold some stuff for a couple of tatoos, and the coach didn't report them in timely manner, or (heaven forbid, told a lie), this whole dog and pony show ensues. Kids lose a half a season... the coach loses a half a season and a half a million bucks. None of what they did gave OSU a competitive advantage on the field over anyone....except that some would quibble that the 'violators' weren't punished fast enough or strong enough. However, the 'punishments most certainly WILL affect competition on the field. That is my point The punishments are affecting fair competition much, much more than the violations themselves.
Mar 18, 2011 9:30am
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Mar 18, 2011 10:13 AM
HitsRus

You've been outspoken about the players actions (profiting from items, through sale and trade) not being a big deal. Also, you've stated that tressel 'not reporting the incidents in a timely manner' as not being a big deal either. Some people don't like the rules, but the rules are there for a reason.

- If players are given items from the school (jewelry, trophies, clothing, equipment, etc.) and they are permitted to sell them, how would that be any different than a school just handing them cash? It isn't. It's a slippery slope if they start allowing it. Coaches would start handing out rings and trophies after every game.

- Tressel had no intentions of 'reporting the incidents in a timely manner'. He had more than one opportunity to do so and he didn't...including signing off on a form to the NCAA saying he wasn't aware of anything. I'm sorry to say, but he straight up lied.

I said earlier that I don't believe the self-imposed 5 games was very sincere, and it definitely seems like damage control. I think deep down OSU/JT is hoping the NCAA accepts the 5 games because they're expecting it to be much worse.
Mar 18, 2011 10:13am
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Mar 18, 2011 10:16 AM
Yea, the 2 game suspension was an absolute joke. I think they are trying to save face with the 5 games being self imposed, but I don't even know if that will be enough.

As for saying Tressel didn't lie, that's is 100% not true. He did lie, and that's why he's in trouble.
Mar 18, 2011 10:16am
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Mar 18, 2011 10:37 AM
The bottom line in this case is that Jim Tressel knowingly played players that would have been ineligable had he followed the rules. OSU fans can spin it any way they wish but this is the core of the issue.

He could of come clean to the NCAA but he did not and for this he is gonna pay dearly. I expect OSU to have to vacate the entire 2010 season and for Tressel to be suspended for an entire sseason.
Mar 18, 2011 10:37am
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Mar 18, 2011 10:45 AM
^^thanks for the Friday a.m. humor--what a joke of a post :rolleyes:
Mar 18, 2011 10:45am
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Mar 18, 2011 10:48 AM
mrtinkertrain;716333 wrote:The bottom line in this case is that Jim Tressel knowingly played players that would have been ineligable had he followed the rules. OSU fans can spin it any way they wish but this is the core of the issue.

He could of come clean to the NCAA but he did not and for this he is gonna pay dearly. I expect OSU to have to vacate the entire 2010 season and for Tressel to be suspended for an entire sseason.
I honestly wouldn't be shocked if they had to forfeit the season. As for him getting that type of suspension, yes, that would be shocking.

I don't think OSU fans are comprehending that he knowingly played ineligible players, and on top of that he lied to the NCAA.
Mar 18, 2011 10:48am
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Mar 18, 2011 10:50 AM
vball10set;716337 wrote:^^thanks for the Friday a.m. humor--what a joke of a post :rolleyes:

I don't think Tress will be suspended for the season, but vacating the season is a real possibility.
Mar 18, 2011 10:50am
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Mar 18, 2011 10:52 AM
WebFire;716349 wrote:I don't think Tress will be suspended for the season, but vacating the season is a real possibility.

you're entitled to your opinion, but it'll never happen (regardless of what SI "suggests")
Mar 18, 2011 10:52am
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Mar 18, 2011 10:54 AM
LJ;716218 wrote:My problem with that comparison is that players can only be penalized by suspending them and having to give back whatever money they got. It's easier to punish a coach because they can take games AND money.

Personally, if they raised Tressel's fine to $500k, 5 games and $500k > 8 games
I agree to an extent, But that 8 game ban really hurt Bryant more than 500k if you think about it. Because of that suspension he had "character issues" according to most NFL gms and slipped all the way to the Cowboys in the later part of the first round. If not he would of been a top 10 pick easily and banked a lotttt more on his rookie deal
Mar 18, 2011 10:54am
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Mar 18, 2011 10:56 AM
vball10set;716351 wrote:you're entitled to your opinion, but it'll never happen (regardless of what SI "suggests")

Did Tressel knowingly play ineligible players?
Mar 18, 2011 10:56am
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Mar 18, 2011 10:56 AM
Hb31187;716356 wrote:I agree to an extent, But that 8 game ban really hurt Bryant more than 500k if you think about it. Because of that suspension he had "character issues" according to most NFL gms and slipped all the way to the Cowboys in the later part of the first round. If not he would of been a top 10 pick easily and banked a lotttt more on his rookie deal

That isn't a consideration of the NCAA nor is that their realm. They deal with what they can, and handing out a suspension is all they can do to players.
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Mar 18, 2011 10:56 AM
vball10set;716351 wrote:you're entitled to your opinion, but it'll never happen (regardless of what SI "suggests")

Maybe, maybe not. It' a possibility. If the NCAA determines JT knew these players would be ineligible and played them anyway, they may not have much choice.

We'll see.
Mar 18, 2011 10:56am
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Mar 18, 2011 11:05 AM
thedynasty1998;716359 wrote:Did Tressel knowingly play ineligible players?

I didn't know he did--when were they declared ineligible?
Mar 18, 2011 11:05am
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Mar 18, 2011 11:09 AM
vball10set;716379 wrote:I didn't know he did--when were they delcared ineligible?

That's a fair stance on this, but the NCAA may look at it differently. Tressel has been a coach long enough and was once an AD, so of all people they expect him to understand the rules. When the emails were sent to him, Tressel likely figured that if the NCAA found out about it, the players were ineligible. He failed to report it and continued to play the players and lied about it to save himself from punishment.
Mar 18, 2011 11:09am
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Mar 18, 2011 11:16 AM
thedynasty1998;716388 wrote:That's a fair stance on this, but the NCAA may look at it differently. Tressel has been a coach long enough and was once an AD, so of all people they expect him to understand the rules. When the emails were sent to him, Tressel likely figured that if the NCAA found out about it, the players were ineligible. He failed to report it and continued to play the players and lied about it to save himself from punishment.

I completely understand where you're coming from, but it's all conjecture at this point...I still maintain there's an "elephant it the room", so to speak--JT reported this to someone, and hopefully this will come to light before all's said and done.
Mar 18, 2011 11:16am
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Mar 18, 2011 11:19 AM
vball10set;716400 wrote:I completely understand where you're coming from, but it's all conjecture at this point...I still maintain there's an "elephant it the room", so to speak--JT reported this to someone, and hopefully this will come to light before all's said and done.

Why are you hoping that one man comes out above the program? To me that is worse. A cover up by the university would mean major major sanctions. IMO no one should be bigger than the program, nor should we ever hope they are.
Mar 18, 2011 11:19am
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Mar 18, 2011 11:21 AM
vball10set;716400 wrote:I completely understand where you're coming from, but it's all conjecture at this point...I still maintain there's an "elephant it the room", so to speak--JT reported this to someone, and hopefully this will come to light before all's said and done.

But that's assuming an awful lot, and if there is indeed a cover up, not only will Tressel likely lose his job, but so will Smith and Gee.
Mar 18, 2011 11:21am
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Mar 18, 2011 11:40 AM
thedynasty1998;716407 wrote:But that's assuming an awful lot, and if there is indeed a cover up, not only will Tressel likely lose his job, but so will Smith and Gee.

Depends upon how far up the chain any communication from Tressel went....could be the complaince office, could be Smith if it went up that far. Not sure about Gee.....
Mar 18, 2011 11:40am
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Mar 18, 2011 11:52 AM
wkfan;716440 wrote:Depends upon how far up the chain any communication from Tressel went....could be the complaince office, could be Smith if it went up that far. Not sure about Gee.....

Just for fun, let's say Smith did know about it, too. What would Tressel's motivation be to keep that quiet? I know the obvious answer is it protects "the program", but isn't it really just compounding the very issue - lying? I mean, imagine if after all this that the NCAA ultimately uncovers that Tressel in fact continued to lie for Smith (or whoever). How would Buckeye fans feel about Tressel in that case?

Also, how could Smith possibly make this all up to Tressel considering the damage Tressel is incurring? Wouldn't it have been just as easy for the buck to stop at whatever level the information reached?
Mar 18, 2011 11:52am
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Mar 18, 2011 11:58 AM
enigmaax;716453 wrote:Just for fun, let's say Smith did know about it, too. What would Tressel's motivation be to keep that quiet? I know the obvious answer is it protects "the program", but isn't it really just compounding the very issue - lying? I mean, imagine if after all this that the NCAA ultimately uncovers that Tressel in fact continued to lie for Smith (or whoever). How would Buckeye fans feel about Tressel in that case?

Also, how could Smith possibly make this all up to Tressel considering the damage Tressel is incurring? Wouldn't it have been just as easy for the buck to stop at whatever level the information reached?

There is absolutely no chance Gene Smith knew about it. He's too smart to be involved in a cover up.
Mar 18, 2011 11:58am
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Mar 18, 2011 12:03 PM
thedynasty1998;716460 wrote:There is absolutely no chance Gene Smith knew about it. He's too smart to be involved in a cover up.

I truly believe there is much more to the story that we do not know about, but I don't think a cover up is part of it.
Mar 18, 2011 12:03pm
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Mar 18, 2011 12:10 PM
thedynasty1998;716460 wrote:There is absolutely no chance Gene Smith knew about it. He's too smart to be involved in a cover up.

I know it isn't your theory, so I'm just using your statement to ask those who believe that the knowledge may not have ended at Tressel. If it isn't Smith, for who else would Tressel possibly be putting his reputation on the line - a compliance officer?
Mar 18, 2011 12:10pm