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Mar 18, 2011 12:24 PM
enigmaax;716472 wrote:I know it isn't your theory, so I'm just using your statement to ask those who believe that the knowledge may not have ended at Tressel. If it isn't Smith, for who else would Tressel possibly be putting his reputation on the line - a compliance officer?

I know what you were asking, and people have been throwing out these conspiracy theories from day one. There is a poster on here who thinks the Feds forced Tressel to lie to the NCAA.

Who would he be covering up for? No one. Tressel's reputation is far more important than anyone elses at OSU, other than Gee. There is absolutely no way he's covering for anyone other than himself. I think it makes more sense to say Tressel setup the arrangement between Rife and the players than to say Tressel is covering for Smith.
Mar 18, 2011 12:24pm
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Mar 18, 2011 12:37 PM
elbuckeye28;716468 wrote:I truly believe there is much more to the story that we do not know about, but I don't think a cover up is part of it.

I guess this is more of what I'm trying to say--when JT started to shake his head (during the initial presser) "yes" when we was asked if he reported the email to anyone, that indicated to me know that somebody else was aware of this "situation"...and to say that Gene Smith is too smart? I wouldn't be too sure about that :o
Mar 18, 2011 12:37pm
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Mar 18, 2011 12:50 PM
Let me get this straight. So the administrators levy punishment and that being a 2 game suspension and now JT is saying, na, I'll give myself a 5 game suspension"....lol....are you kidding me? Who looks like the bigger idiots, Tressel or the Admins?

The more Tressel talks and now levy's his own punishment, the more this is becoming a comedy. Does Tressel actually think the NCAA will agree with his self-impossed discipline? Heck maybe all coaches and players that become in trouble with the NCAA should name their punishment.

Tressle and the Bucks are in big trouble and they know it. The face of the university lied and acted in a unethical way. BIG Trouble.
Mar 18, 2011 12:50pm
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Mar 18, 2011 12:52 PM
First Tressel said "I was protecting the players" and now he admitting guilt? So now it appears he was lying at the press conference....which we all knew he was.
Mar 18, 2011 12:52pm
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Mar 18, 2011 12:53 PM
I think Tressel forwarded the messages to the players parents. At least he better have let them know what was going on.

I think that is why Smith stopped him. Shielding the parents.
Mar 18, 2011 12:53pm
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Mar 18, 2011 12:58 PM
Fidmeister;716537 wrote:I think Tressel forwarded the messages to the players parents. At least he better have let them know what was going on.

I think that is why Smith stopped him. Shielding the parents.

Most reasonable theory I have heard yet
Mar 18, 2011 12:58pm
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Mar 18, 2011 12:59 PM
CCwinCC;716530 wrote:First Tressel said "I was protecting the players" and now he admitting guilt? So now it appears he was lying at the press conference....which we all knew he was.

He admitted guilt from the beginning....

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Mar 18, 2011 12:59pm
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Mar 18, 2011 1:01 PM
2quik4u;715917 wrote:he needs to be suspended the whole year
I'm sorry, but this is just funny.
Mar 18, 2011 1:01pm
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Mar 18, 2011 1:01 PM
He admitted he should have used better judgement at the time....He did NOT say I was withholding this information so we could attempt to win a National title last season. Now he is admitting this by trying to discipline himself.

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Mar 18, 2011 1:01pm
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Mar 18, 2011 1:03 PM
CCwinCC;716547 wrote:He admitted he should have used better judgement at the time....He did NOT say I was withholding this information so we could attempt to win a National title last season. Now he is admitting this by trying to discipline himself.

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Interesting logic. Tell me more about this world you live in
Mar 18, 2011 1:03pm
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Mar 18, 2011 1:11 PM
the_system;716298 wrote:HitsRus

You've been outspoken about the players actions (profiting from items, through sale and trade) not being a big deal. Also, you've stated that tressel 'not reporting the incidents in a timely manner' as not being a big deal either. Some people don't like the rules, but the rules are there for a reason.

- If players are given items from the school (jewelry, trophies, clothing, equipment, etc.) and they are permitted to sell them, how would that be any different than a school just handing them cash? It isn't. It's a slippery slope if they start allowing it. Coaches would start handing out rings and trophies after every game.

- Tressel had no intentions of 'reporting the incidents in a timely manner'. He had more than one opportunity to do so and he didn't...including signing off on a form to the NCAA saying he wasn't aware of anything. I'm sorry to say, but he straight up lied.

I said earlier that I don't believe the self-imposed 5 games was very sincere, and it definitely seems like damage control. I think deep down OSU/JT is hoping the NCAA accepts the 5 games because they're expecting it to be much worse.
I'm not saying they should allow it.... Only punish it appropriately. A one game suspension and a repayment or community service is more than enough. It's not like they committed any criminal offense or someone got hurt. None of this affected anything on the field.....but the punishment sure will. You look at what they did and the sequalae of those actions... the money that's being spent... and you have to scratch your head. Really?...all of this?
I'm not arguing only OSU here. But the heavy handedness of the punishments imposed by the NCAA across the board.
Mar 18, 2011 1:11pm
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Mar 18, 2011 1:13 PM
Fidmeister;716537 wrote:I think Tressel forwarded the messages to the players parents. At least he better have let them know what was going on.

I think that is why Smith stopped him. Shielding the parents.

I like your logic here...and CCwinCC, every time you post you look more and more like an idiot--so please, keep on posting!!!
Mar 18, 2011 1:13pm
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Mar 18, 2011 1:15 PM
LJ;716549 wrote:Interesting logic. Tell me more about this world you live in

I must live in the same world. Although I feel like I must be the only one that thinks this, I believe that Tressel withheld the information because it wasn't particularly credible and he hoped that it wasn't true. Sort of like a person hearing from a questionable source that his or her significant other is cheating. He or she knows it may be true, but since the information isn't exactly credible, they become willfully naive to the matter hoping nothing else comes of it. He was obviously wrong and should have reported the information, but if he truly wanted to cover this up, he would have at least attempted to delete the emails so that the university wouldn't stumble upon them by accident.
Mar 18, 2011 1:15pm
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Mar 18, 2011 1:23 PM
HitsRus;716568 wrote:I'm not saying they should allow it.... Only punish it appropriately. A one game suspension and a repayment or community service is more than enough. It's not like they committed any criminal offense or someone got hurt. None of this affected anything on the field.....but the punishment sure will. You look at what they did and the sequalae of those actions... the money that's being spent... and you have to scratch your head. Really?...all of this?
I'm not arguing only OSU here. But the heavy handedness of the punishments imposed by the NCAA across the board.

Agreed. What I don't understand is why they got the 4 games(I understand the one game for not reporting the violation) in the first place. I was told the precedent was set earlier in the year when AJ Green sold his jersey. The problem with that logic is that AJ Green sold his jersey to an individual that the NCAA considers an agent who also happens to be involved with another set of serious violations involving UNC football players. Everybody knows that the NCAA has a no tolerance policy for dealing with agents, so how does that tattoo incident get the same punishment? The "crime" is the same, but the agent makes AJ Green's worse.
Mar 18, 2011 1:23pm
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Mar 18, 2011 1:40 PM
elbuckeye28;716578 wrote:he would have at least attempted to delete the emails so that the university wouldn't stumble upon them by accident.

Unless I completely misunderstood - he DID delete the emails. The university did discover them in his inbox. That, at the least, opens up the possibility that he deliberately deleted them in an attempt to hide the evidence.
Mar 18, 2011 1:40pm
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Mar 18, 2011 1:44 PM
He did not seem to have a problem with the 2 game suspension they imposed in the beginning but now he wants 5 games, still sounds like a cover up that is about to be exposed and he decides to increase the suspensions only after the fallout from the fans and media. He may have realized that this is not going to go away and he needs to act more upset about his actions before the NCAA says goodnight.
Mar 18, 2011 1:44pm
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Mar 18, 2011 1:46 PM
enigmaax;716619 wrote:Unless I completely misunderstood - he DID delete the emails. The university did discover them in his inbox. That, at the least, opens up the possibility that he deliberately deleted them in an attempt to hide the evidence.

If he deleted them, how were they still in his inbox? I have not read or heard anything about him trying to delete and hide these message. I know that the university would be able to find them, but I was under the impression that they weren't looking for them when they found them.
Mar 18, 2011 1:46pm
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Mar 18, 2011 1:46 PM
enigmaax;716619 wrote:Unless I completely misunderstood - he DID delete the emails. The university did discover them in his inbox. That, at the least, opens up the possibility that he deliberately deleted them in an attempt to hide the evidence.

I don't think it said either way....
Mar 18, 2011 1:46pm
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Mar 18, 2011 1:48 PM
password;716627 wrote:He did not seem to have a problem with the 2 game suspension they imposed in the beginning but now he wants 5 games, still sounds like a cover up that is about to be exposed and he decides to increase the suspensions only after the fallout from the fans and media. He may have realized that this is not going to go away and he needs to act more upset about his actions before the NCAA says goodnight.

I think public opinion may have played a role, but I also believe that Tressel decided it was only right that his suspension was consistent with his players, a decision that was best made after they new the exact suspension length after the appeal.
Mar 18, 2011 1:48pm
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Mar 18, 2011 1:50 PM
LJ;716632 wrote:I don't think it said either way....

If he did delete the emails, that would likely be a big talking point by media members trying to argue against Tressel. Now maybe the university is hiding that information from the public, but I don't know how they would have stumbled upon the emails if he did delete them since they would have had know cause to access the servers.
Mar 18, 2011 1:50pm
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Mar 18, 2011 2:13 PM
if he lied about this.......................well, you know the rest.

Once a cheater always a cheater
Once a liar always a liar

I hope he gets fired.
Mar 18, 2011 2:13pm
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Mar 18, 2011 2:14 PM
elbuckeye28;716631 wrote:If he deleted them, how were they still in his inbox? I have not read or heard anything about him trying to delete and hide these message. I know that the university would be able to find them, but I was under the impression that they weren't looking for them when they found them.
LJ;716632 wrote:I don't think it said either way....

Yeah, I must have misunderstood or maybe let someone's speculation run together with all the shit I've read about it. El - I did recall reading that they weren't looking for those emails when they came across them, which is maybe what made it seem like they weren't specifically going through Tressel's email, but rather scouring the server (or whatever/however that works) and happened to find them. My bad, thanks.
Mar 18, 2011 2:14pm
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Mar 18, 2011 2:24 PM
HitsRus;716568 wrote:None of this affected anything on the field.....but the punishment sure will.

Yes it did. If Tressel went forward with the information he had immediately, the players would have been ruled ineligible and would have missed games last year.
Mar 18, 2011 2:24pm
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Mar 18, 2011 2:25 PM
WebFire;716221 wrote:Has nothing to do with being a hater. However, it does seem to have something to do with same fans who are defensive over their perfect football program being hit with major violations. Therefore, no one outside the OSU fan base (sometimes even within) is allowed to have an opinion without being a hater.

Yes it does. OSU is one of the top football programs in the nation, this isn't Michigan. Sometimes the only way to beat someone better than you, is to want to eliminate them completely. This is relatively minor violation that OSU is already overpaying for, and the haters will keep wanting more until there is no OSU football program to beat the fuck out of everyone.

Keep hatin', we'll keep winning.
Mar 18, 2011 2:25pm
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Mar 18, 2011 4:05 PM
sleeper;716697 wrote:Yes it does. OSU is one of the top football programs in the nation, this isn't Michigan. Sometimes the only way to beat someone better than you, is to want to eliminate them completely. This is relatively minor violation that OSU is already overpaying for, and the haters will keep wanting more until there is no OSU football program to beat the fuck out of everyone.

Keep hatin', we'll keep winning.

You are an idiot.
Mar 18, 2011 4:05pm