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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Jun 20, 2011 8:14pm
I still think that Cleveland is pushing hard to land the #1 and #2 picks, just my feelings.
They are bringing everyone in to workout, keeping teams on their toes.
They are bringing everyone in to workout, keeping teams on their toes.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 20, 2011 8:15pm
I'd also love to see the Cavs grab JaJuan Johnson with the 32nd pick. I think he's a great player.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Jun 20, 2011 9:02pm
devil1197;807897 wrote:I still think that Cleveland is pushing hard to land the #1 and #2 picks, just my feelings.
They are bringing everyone in to workout, keeping teams on their toes.
Wouldnt surprise me. Kahn is such a bad GM. Maybe if the Cavs play theircards right, Kahn will throw in Kevin Love as a filler haha. Cant believe they are actively trying to trade him. Give him a max deal NOW
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 20, 2011 9:36pm
jordo212000;807977 wrote:Wouldnt surprise me. Kahn is such a bad GM. Maybe if the Cavs play theircards right, Kahn will throw in Kevin Love as a filler haha. Cant believe they are actively trying to trade him. Give him a max deal NOW
JJ Hickson/Andy/#4/Future #1 (Miami pick)
For Love/#2/filler..
Hell yes lol.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 20, 2011 11:15pm
hoops23;808042 wrote:JJ Hickson/Andy/#4/Future #1 (Miami pick)
For Love/#2/filler..
Hell yes lol.
Don't want Kevin love he can't rebound
Sincerely,
Jordo
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 20, 2011 11:16pm
SportsAndLady;808193 wrote:Don't want Kevin love he can't rebound
Sincerely,
Jordo
LOL
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 20, 2011 11:21pm
SportsAndLady;808193 wrote:Don't want Kevin love he can't rebound
Sincerely,
Jordo
Those 52 games were an aberration.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 21, 2011 1:53am
lol
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jun 21, 2011 8:11am
http://basketball.realgm.com/article/214197/2011_NBA_Mock_Draft_Version_40
The 2011 NBA Draft is mere days away and even though picks 20 through 60 are always an unpredictable free-for-all, the impending anarchy of Thursday evening is even more menacing.
Kyrie Irving, Derrick Williams, Brandon Knight and Enes Kanter should be in the top-five, but this is hardly your LeBron, Darko, Carmelo, Bosh, Wade type of top-five in terms of projected satisfaction.
But even though this draft (for the umpteenth time) lacks a better than 50/50 bet to become a franchise player, I’m becoming increasingly convinced that the aforementioned picks 20 through 60 will be memorably strong.
We enjoy celebrating GMs who find the Millsaps, Gilberts and Manus, which is why the Adam Silver portion of the draft will be watchable for more than just the chants from those waiting to sober up before heading back on the Turnpike. We are more likely to see a second rounder or two in the Rookie Challenge than see a member from this class in a Sunday All-Star game by the time Barack Obama leaves office.
With each new mock, it becomes more difficult to feel comfortable with who is being left to the second round. For me, players like JaJuan Johnson, Lon Leuer, Iman Shumpert, Tyler Honeycutt, Nolan Smith, Trey Thompkins and E’Twaun Moore all have NBA minutes in them.
1. Cleveland Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving, Duke
If the Bulls were given this equation in 2008, they could have picked between Derrick Rose and Kevin Love/Brook Lopez, or Michael Beasley and Russell Westbrook. The former is much better result and this is why the Cavaliers will go with the player without a positional issue at number one.
2. Minnesota Timberwolves: Derrick Williams, Arizona
Continuing the 2008 retrospective, only in Michael Beasley’s world does his team get stuck with the second overall pick in a year where the second best prospect represents the safe and sane version of himself.
3. Utah Jazz: Brandon Knight, Kentucky
With no guarantees about who will be remaining at number twelve, the Jazz will almost certainly be forced into picking Knight. If I could be guaranteed either Fredette or Walker at twelve, picking Kanter or Valanciunas would represent the better play, but passing on Knight here has the trap of being the first pick of this draft that will haunt a front office for years.
4. Cleveland Cavaliers: Enes Kanter, Kentucky
The Cavaliers are spending more time with the Irving pick than probably need be, but the real work comes here at four where Kanter, Valanciunas and Leonard all deserve thoughtful consideration. The situation becomes less problematic, however, when you acknowledge Kanter simultaneously represents the highest upside of the three and the lowest bust potential.
5. Toronto Raptors: Jan Vesely, Partizan
Assuming Toronto and Washington keep their picks, it is difficult for me to imagine a scenario where Vesely and Leonard aren’t picks five and six in some order. Vesely is more ready to contribute right away, even if he will be more limited in the long-term than his counterpart.
The 2011 NBA Draft is mere days away and even though picks 20 through 60 are always an unpredictable free-for-all, the impending anarchy of Thursday evening is even more menacing.
Kyrie Irving, Derrick Williams, Brandon Knight and Enes Kanter should be in the top-five, but this is hardly your LeBron, Darko, Carmelo, Bosh, Wade type of top-five in terms of projected satisfaction.
But even though this draft (for the umpteenth time) lacks a better than 50/50 bet to become a franchise player, I’m becoming increasingly convinced that the aforementioned picks 20 through 60 will be memorably strong.
We enjoy celebrating GMs who find the Millsaps, Gilberts and Manus, which is why the Adam Silver portion of the draft will be watchable for more than just the chants from those waiting to sober up before heading back on the Turnpike. We are more likely to see a second rounder or two in the Rookie Challenge than see a member from this class in a Sunday All-Star game by the time Barack Obama leaves office.
With each new mock, it becomes more difficult to feel comfortable with who is being left to the second round. For me, players like JaJuan Johnson, Lon Leuer, Iman Shumpert, Tyler Honeycutt, Nolan Smith, Trey Thompkins and E’Twaun Moore all have NBA minutes in them.
1. Cleveland Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving, Duke
If the Bulls were given this equation in 2008, they could have picked between Derrick Rose and Kevin Love/Brook Lopez, or Michael Beasley and Russell Westbrook. The former is much better result and this is why the Cavaliers will go with the player without a positional issue at number one.
2. Minnesota Timberwolves: Derrick Williams, Arizona
Continuing the 2008 retrospective, only in Michael Beasley’s world does his team get stuck with the second overall pick in a year where the second best prospect represents the safe and sane version of himself.
3. Utah Jazz: Brandon Knight, Kentucky
With no guarantees about who will be remaining at number twelve, the Jazz will almost certainly be forced into picking Knight. If I could be guaranteed either Fredette or Walker at twelve, picking Kanter or Valanciunas would represent the better play, but passing on Knight here has the trap of being the first pick of this draft that will haunt a front office for years.
4. Cleveland Cavaliers: Enes Kanter, Kentucky
The Cavaliers are spending more time with the Irving pick than probably need be, but the real work comes here at four where Kanter, Valanciunas and Leonard all deserve thoughtful consideration. The situation becomes less problematic, however, when you acknowledge Kanter simultaneously represents the highest upside of the three and the lowest bust potential.
5. Toronto Raptors: Jan Vesely, Partizan
Assuming Toronto and Washington keep their picks, it is difficult for me to imagine a scenario where Vesely and Leonard aren’t picks five and six in some order. Vesely is more ready to contribute right away, even if he will be more limited in the long-term than his counterpart.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 21, 2011 12:13pm
Cavs are in talks with the Wizards. Wiz want Kanter and may give up #6 & #18 to move up to #4.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Jun 21, 2011 12:17pm
BR1986FB;808581 wrote:Cavs are in talks with the Wizards. Wiz want Kanter and may give up #6 & #18 to move up to #4.
i think i'd take it.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Jun 21, 2011 12:28pm
JaJuan Johnson is similar in skill set to Williams, no? I would take him at 32 in a heartbeat. Where is he projected?
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Jun 21, 2011 12:29pm
OneBuckeye;808603 wrote:JaJuan Johnson is similar in skill set to Williams, no? I would take him at 32 in a heartbeat. Where is he projected?
I would love to get Johnson, Moore, or Nolan Smith in the second round
The top of the draft is weak....but late first round-second round is as strong as ever, IMO
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Jun 21, 2011 12:33pm
I like Tristan Thompson if that trade goes down at the 6 spot
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 21, 2011 12:45pm
BR1986FB;808581 wrote:Cavs are in talks with the Wizards. Wiz want Kanter and may give up #6 & #18 to move up to #4.
Eh, I'll take Kanter over those 2 picks.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jun 21, 2011 1:43pm
sleeper;808616 wrote:Eh, I'll take Kanter over those 2 picks.
I agree, but this works out since threw cavs wanted to buy their way into a 20ish pick.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Jun 21, 2011 1:44pm
sleeper;808616 wrote:Eh, I'll take Kanter over those 2 picks.
+1 do want Kanter
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 21, 2011 1:48pm
wes_mantooth;808676 wrote:I agree, but this works out since threw cavs wanted to buy their way into a 20ish pick.
If they do that deal what's to stop Gilbert from trying to add a fourth 1st rounder?
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jun 21, 2011 2:01pm
BR1986FB;808683 wrote:If they do that deal what's to stop Gilbert from trying to add a fourth 1st rounder?
Nothing.
I still think they need to do everything possible to get the #2. I really only like 3 players in this draft....knight, irving, and williams.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 21, 2011 2:18pm
wes_mantooth;808694 wrote:Nothing.
I still think they need to do everything possible to get the #2. I really only like 3 players in this draft....knight, irving, and williams.
I like 4 players, Irving, Williams, Kanter, and JaJuan Johnson. Hoping for 3 out of these 4, with Johnson being our second rounder.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 21, 2011 2:20pm
BR1986FB;808683 wrote:If they do that deal what's to stop Gilbert from trying to add a fourth 1st rounder?
I also think Gilbert is going to be dropping some major cash trying to buy 1st round picks. I could see the 8th pick being dealt to us from Detroit with Rip for our TPE.
It could be a very interesting draft, I think Gilbert really wants to get his team together now, so they can contend with the Heat in a year or 2.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 21, 2011 2:30pm
sleeper;808712 wrote:I also think Gilbert is going to be dropping some major cash trying to buy 1st round picks. I could see the 8th pick being dealt to us from Detroit with Rip for our TPE.
It could be a very interesting draft, I think Gilbert really wants to get his team together now, so they can contend with the Heat in a year or 2.
My thoughts exactly. That's why it wouldn't surprise me if he tried to get 3, even 4, first rounders. Gilbert is a VERY competitive SOB. Just wish the Tribe's management were as aggressive.
hangonsloopy
Posts: 1,291
Jun 21, 2011 3:01pm
@WojYahooNBA Cleveland's trying to get a 3rd first round pick -- in the 20's -- dangling its two second rounders (32 and 54) and maybe cash, sources say.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jun 21, 2011 3:08pm
The only guy I would want to move up into the 20s to get would be Tobias Harris, but I doubt he'll still be there after the late teens.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Jun 21, 2011 4:36pm
The Wizards love Kanter and its mutual. If they want him bad enough, I say we try for McGee or Blatche.