FatHobbit;695759 wrote:When did those go into affect? (effect?)

Writerbuckeye;695752 wrote:One of the things that really needs to be done away with is the escalator clauses for teachers that go on to work on their Phds. I don't believe a PHd is necessary to teach in high school, so why have it in there? It's a waste of money. Hell, I'm not sure I think a master's degree is really needed to be a better teacher. All I think those requirements do is artificially drive up the cost of education.

We'd do ourselves a huge favor by finding the best people to teach, regardless of arbitrary education requirements. If someone who has been a journalist for 20 years decides he wants to teach, I'd think some consideration would have to be given, even with the lack of specific education courses in their background. The same with a successful businessman who might want to give back to his community by teaching basic business classes (or advanced, for that matter).

I realize this is probably going to get some of the teachers in an uproar over not having an "education" background (course work in methods of teaching), but I took all those classes and found them mostly worthless when I actually taught a class or seminar.

LJ;695758 wrote:I can get on porn sites, but can't get other random things to unload

LJ;694006 wrote:Why don't you just follow the rules that are set or go somewhere else? They aren't going to change, my modding style has been the same since I became a mod on this site and it isn't going to change either/

Manhattan Buckeye;695779 wrote:From what I understand the highest comp level is Masters Plus - but the underlying point is IMO accurate. Few, if any, teachers become more effective by taking additional classes and it is just an additional comp strategy for a worthless degree, and aside from the additional comp it is a waste of time for the teachers. The big beneficiary is the diploma factory.

Manhattan Buckeye;695790 wrote:A Masters Plus? How many districts require that? None that I know of.

Manhattan Buckeye;695790 wrote:A Masters Plus? How many districts require that? None that I know of.

Gblock;695768 wrote:we dont have phd pay...

Bigdogg;695783 wrote:
As far as your style as moderator on here, I don't expect anything as I know you are incapable of admitting any faults you may have. It seem to be a characteristic that many young people have like you. I don't really have a problem with you at all. I don't agree with many of the things most of the people on this board say but I can be civil in the discussion as long as they are civil with me. Most of the people on here don't take it serious and really are on here to get a rise out of you.

Manhattan Buckeye;695808 wrote:"i think it makes sense for teachers to continue to update their knowledge especially on ways to use technology and continuing to improve on new ways to reach ever more challenging groups of students."

Do Masters programs teach this?

I might be unintelligent, but I don't get a degree from the CLE (12 hours a year) I'm required to take to maintain my license. And I don't get paid more for taking them.

Manhattan Buckeye;695823 wrote:"especially the part where you say "Few, if any"....do you honestly believe that? do you not know any good teachers?.."

How about finishing the ..... We aren't the New York Times. Let's try this:

"Few, if any, teachers become more effective by taking additional classes "

Understood? If a teacher is already effective, taking BS classes for a piece of paper isn't making them more effective.

Writerbuckeye;695798 wrote:I was talking about pay for Masters plus...and wrongly assumed it also meant you got a raise if you achieved a PhD. It's been too many years since I covered school boards as a reporter and looked at a salary schedule.

wkfan;695874 wrote:...and this is one of the problems with teachers, firefighters, police, etc being lambasted and mis-characterized in the press, on television, on the interwebz, etc.

My Father was a newpaper reporter and editor for over 50 years....he taught me to check my facts before I wrote anything...no matter what it was... a paper for a class, an letter to the editor, an news article or a note to a friend.

You cannot assume.

Writerbuckeye;695983 wrote:For the most part, I'd say the mainstream press coverage about all this (especially Wisconsin) has been very favorable to the teachers. If reporters were really doing their jobs and publishing/broadcasting the salaries and benefits being debated, teachers would not get sympathy from the public. I've not seen one story or broadcast detailing any of the actual costs so far and it's most likely because it takes a lot of work to do all that math, and today's reporters are pretty lazy. All of that data has been found by reading web sites and via connections to data bases.

As for my post...if you want to feel good about my screw up, have at it. But writing an opinion, off the cuff, on a discussion forum doesn't even enter the same hemisphere as an actual news report in terms of writer responsibility/culpability. It's basically an on-going conversation in writing and not meant to be anything else.

Prescott;695866 wrote:Below is a link to an article which summarizes many of the points made in this debate.

.....Even President Franklin Roosevelt, a friend of private-sector unionism, drew a line when it came to government workers: "Meticulous attention," the president insisted in 1937, "should be paid to the special relations and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government....The process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service.......

....n 1943, a New York Supreme Court judge held:

To tolerate or recognize any combination of civil service employees of the government as a labor organization or union is not only incompatible with the spirit of democracy, but inconsistent with every principle upon which our government is founded. .....

....The first study ... provides evidence that teachers, acting through their unions, are quite successful at getting their favored candidates elected to local school boards. When a candidate is supported by the unions, her probability of winning increases dramatically, so much so that the impact of union support appears to be roughly the same as the impact of incumbency. In terms of total impact, union influence may be even greater than this suggests, because union victories literally produce incumbents—and the power of incumbency then works for union candidates to boost their probability of victory still further in future elections........

....In effect, public sector unionism thus means that representatives of the union will often be on both sides of the collective bargaining table....


http://www.professorbainbridge.com/professorbainbridgecom/2011/02/the-case-against-public-sector-unionism.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+professorbainbridge%2FsheN+%28ProfessorBainbridge.com+%C2%AE%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

LJ;695807 wrote:Too bad you start the name calling. You don't like the rules and get pissy when you get infracted for breaking them. Pretty clear cut. You've had the same issue since you joined.

To think that I get any kind of upset over a forum is pretty hilarious.

Bigdogg;696010 wrote:Funny that I have never had a problem on any other forum or other moderator. Like I told you before, ban me if you want there are plenty of other places to go with moderators that don't have a chip on there shoulder and a ego to match it.

Hey, I tried to get back on topic at least.