Buckeye fans, who would you rather have?

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Feb 1, 2011 1:13 PM
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Feb 1, 2011 1:18 PM
thedynasty1998;660588 wrote:When? I love Lighty as much as anyone, however I don't get this statement.

Minnesota: 19 pts on 7 of 13 shooting

and key stretches during other games (see wins @Michigan, @Iowa)

I'm not talking about taking over for a whole game, but when the times comes for Lighty to get aggressive, he's responded admirably this year.

Any other confusion?
Feb 1, 2011 1:18pm
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Feb 1, 2011 1:20 PM
KR1245;660612 wrote:I have to disagree with this. I think alot of us are prisoners of the moment.

Greg Oden was a force in the paint. I'm not saying that Sully isnt, I would take Oden because of his defensive presence. Greg Oden dominated two VERY good NBA players in the final game against Florida in Horford and Noah. I have yet to see Sully play that well against opponents with that much talent

+1

People (especially post OSU days of injury on the Portland Knee Killers) forgot how unbelievable Oden was, especially in the championship game neutralizing two extremely productive NBA big men. I don't think Sully could single handedly neutralize Noah and Horford like Oden did.
Feb 1, 2011 1:20pm
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Feb 1, 2011 1:27 PM
lhslep134;660634 wrote:Minnesota: 19 pts on 7 of 13 shooting

and key stretches during other games (see wins @Michigan, @Iowa)

I'm not talking about taking over for a whole game, but when the times comes for Lighty to get aggressive, he's responded admirably this year.

Any other confusion?
Can he score? Yes. But when OSU needs basket, he's the last guy they are looking to.
lhslep134;660639 wrote:+1

People (especially post OSU days of injury on the Portland Knee Killers) forgot how unbelievable Oden was, especially in the championship game neutralizing two extremely productive NBA big men. I don't think Sully could single handedly neutralize Noah and Horford like Oden did.

Oden played exceptionally well in the Championship game, and although he is deserving of the credit he gets, I think he gets too much for that game. Ohio State still lost and it was by far his best game of the year.

It was his 2nd highest point total on the season and he played his most minutes.

If Ohio State would have lost to Xavier that year, Oden isn't remembered quite the same.
Feb 1, 2011 1:27pm
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Feb 1, 2011 1:36 PM
Only problem with that argument is that Ohio State didnt lose to Xavier.

If Sully doesnt get to the final 4 and he leaves for the NBA he wont be remembered the same either
Feb 1, 2011 1:36pm
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Feb 1, 2011 1:42 PM
KR1245;660655 wrote:Only problem with that argument is that Ohio State didnt lose to Xavier.

If Sully doesnt get to the final 4 and he leaves for the NBA he wont be remembered the same either
Very true, that they did beat Xavier. I still think Oden is remembered more for one great game, than his body of work (which was exceptional).

Sullinger will be defined on how this team does in the tournament. However, if they somehow go undefeated in the regular season he will leave his mark regardless of the tournament run.
Feb 1, 2011 1:42pm
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Feb 1, 2011 1:48 PM
september63;660058 wrote:Just my opinion. Too many ppl are linking Oden to his injury prone NBA career.
Oden didn't play his entire freshman year at OSU either though, so it's not like he was injury free in college.
september63;660058 wrote:Unless OSU gets to the NCAA final game, Sullinger didnt take his team as far as Oden did.

But I agree, Oden was a beast. Until OSU makes it to the title game with Sully he hasn't surpassed Oden IMHO
Feb 1, 2011 1:48pm
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Feb 1, 2011 1:58 PM
Oden was just a more complete big man. Sully is a forward playing center.
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Feb 1, 2011 2:08 PM
thedynasty1998;660645 wrote:Can he score? Yes. But when OSU needs basket, he's the last guy they are looking to.


What's your point? Diebler, Sully, and Buford are all better options, it's not like I'm denying that, so what exactly is your point?
Feb 1, 2011 2:08pm
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Feb 1, 2011 2:12 PM
thedynasty1998;660645 wrote:Ohio State still lost and it was by far his best game of the year.

No shit they lost, they shot 17% (4-23) from 3. You wanna blame that one on Oden too? Come on man.
Feb 1, 2011 2:12pm
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Feb 1, 2011 2:13 PM
lhslep134;660517 wrote:Lighty: IMO this one isn't that close. Outside of Lewis' shot against Xavier, Lighty has had better production, and this year has shown the ability to take over scoring when needed
lhslep134;660694 wrote:What's your point? Diebler, Sully, and Buford are all better options, it's not like I'm denying that, so what exactly is your point?
I was questioning your point, that Lighty has displayed the ability to take over scoring. I asked when he displayed that. When OSU needs a basket, he's the last guy I expect it from.
Feb 1, 2011 2:13pm
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Feb 1, 2011 2:14 PM
lhslep134;660703 wrote:No shit they lost, they shot 17% (4-23) from 3. You wanna blame that one on Oden too? Come on man.

I'm not blaming Oden. I am saying that he gets too much credit for one single game, that resulted in a loss.
Feb 1, 2011 2:14pm
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Feb 1, 2011 2:33 PM
thedynasty1998;660706 wrote:I was questioning your point, that Lighty has displayed the ability to take over scoring. I asked when he displayed that. When OSU needs a basket, he's the last guy I expect it from.

Okay, so then you're suffering from reading comprehension.


I said Lighty has shown the ability to score when needed. OSU doesn't need him every single game to score a bunch of points, and not always in the last minute (see Sully vs PSU), but OSU has needed him to score at times: Minnesota, 26 pts versus Florida, and who had a big layup @ Iowa when Iowa cut it to 4? Lighty.


You have to understanding I'm using the word need in the sense of someone stepping up, not in the sense that he's the go to option.
Feb 1, 2011 2:33pm
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Feb 1, 2011 3:00 PM
lhslep134;660739 wrote:Okay, so then you're suffering from reading comprehension.


I said Lighty has shown the ability to score when needed. OSU doesn't need him every single game to score a bunch of points, and not always in the last minute (see Sully vs PSU), but OSU has needed him to score at times: Minnesota, 26 pts versus Florida, and who had a big layup @ Iowa when Iowa cut it to 4? Lighty.


You have to understanding I'm using the word need in the sense of someone stepping up, not in the sense that he's the go to option.
In your original post, I took it like you meant when OSU is struggling offensively, they need a big bucket, that Lighty has proven to be a guy they turn to, in a time of need.

I don't agree with that. Like I said, he's proven to be able to score, but he's not the guy anyone looks to for a big basket.
Feb 1, 2011 3:00pm
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Feb 1, 2011 3:03 PM
thedynasty1998;660780 wrote:In your original post, I took it like you meant when OSU is struggling offensively, they need a big bucket, that Lighty has proven to be a guy they turn to, in a time of need.

I don't agree with that. Like I said, he's proven to be able to score, but he's not the guy anyone looks to for a big basket.

they have turned to him in the past, just like they have turned to every player this year. I don't see your point? There hasn't been 1 go to guy all year like their was last year. Are you also going to say that they haven't turned to Thomas as well?
Feb 1, 2011 3:03pm
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Feb 1, 2011 3:07 PM
LJ;660789 wrote:they have turned to him in the past, just like they have turned to every player this year. I don't see your point? There hasn't been 1 go to guy all year like their was last year. Are you also going to say that they haven't turned to Thomas as well?

Ohio State hasn't had a go to guy all year?

That is entirely false and everyone would disagree with you.

Yes, Lighty has stepped up. Yes, he can score. Yes, I'm a HUGE fan of his game. However, I think he gets way too much credit for his "leadership" ability and stepping up in big moments. He played his worst game I've seen against Northwestern on Saturday. That is a game where you expect a 5th year senior, with all that experience to pick up everyone else, and he didn't display it. Do I blame for him that? Not at all, because I don't really expect that from him. When Ohio State needs a big play or basket, I expect it from Sullinger, Buford or Craft.
Feb 1, 2011 3:07pm
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Feb 1, 2011 3:12 PM
thedynasty1998;660792 wrote:Ohio State hasn't had a go to guy all year?

That is entirely false and everyone would disagree with you.

Yes, Lighty has stepped up. Yes, he can score. Yes, I'm a HUGE fan of his game. However, I think he gets way too much credit for his "leadership" ability and stepping up in big moments. He played his worst game I've seen against Northwestern on Saturday. That is a game where you expect a 5th year senior, with all that experience to pick up everyone else, and he didn't display it. Do I blame for him that? Not at all, because I don't really expect that from him. When Ohio State needs a big play or basket, I expect it from Sullinger, Buford or Craft.

Ohio State has played as a team and their go to guy has been many different guys. This isn't like last year where Turner was the go to guy at all times. I am not sure many people would disagree with me that many different players have stepped up when the team needed them to and the team was very good at getting the ball to the hot hand.
Feb 1, 2011 3:12pm
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Feb 1, 2011 3:37 PM
LJ;660798 wrote:Ohio State has played as a team and their go to guy has been many different guys. This isn't like last year where Turner was the go to guy at all times. I am not sure many people would disagree with me that many different players have stepped up when the team needed them to and the team was very good at getting the ball to the hot hand.

Sullinger is their go to guy. That is without question. Don't confuse other guys scoring with being a go to guy.
Feb 1, 2011 3:37pm
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Feb 1, 2011 3:39 PM
thedynasty1998;660836 wrote:Sullinger is their go to guy. That is without question. Don't confuse other guys scoring with being a go to guy.

?? The offense doesn't even revolve around him scoring every game.
Feb 1, 2011 3:39pm
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Feb 1, 2011 3:39 PM
LJ;660798 wrote:Ohio State has played as a team and their go to guy has been many different guys. This isn't like last year where Turner was the go to guy at all times. I am not sure many people would disagree with me that many different players have stepped up when the team needed them to and the team was very good at getting the ball to the hot hand.

I wont completely disagree. But in a close game, down to the last possessions, Sully is just like Turner, hes getting the ball. Hes the go to guy. Matta and anyone on the team/staff would admit as much as well.
Feb 1, 2011 3:39pm
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Feb 1, 2011 3:43 PM
Laley23;660840 wrote:I wont completely disagree. But in a close game, down to the last possessions, Sully is just like Turner, hes getting the ball. Hes the go to guy. Matta and anyone on the team/staff would admit as much as well.

In the games this year, in tight games, the ball has gone to the hot hand. Sully has the hot hand a lot, but this team is one of the best at spreading the ball I have ever seen. Every player wants the ball in crunch time and every player on the court is good at getting them the ball.

Sully has the hot hand a good portion of the time, but that doesn't mean that they look to him no matter what.
Feb 1, 2011 3:43pm
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Feb 1, 2011 4:06 PM
I have to agree with LJ on this one. If they need a bucket late in a game, they don't necessarily have a player that you know 99% of the time is going to take the shot, like a Kemba Walker for UCONN or a Jimmer Fredette for BYU. They spread the ball around evenly, and whoever gets the best look, will most likely take it. If Sully has been having a good game, then they'll go to him. If he's having trouble against a defender, I don't think they would force feed it to him, just because its Sully. If Buford has been hitting his jump shots all game, then I'm sure they'd be willing to go with him. Same with Diebler. If Lighty has someone that he can get by and attack the rim, then I would think they'd give the ball to him. I've seen several players score big buckets in close games this year, including Lighty and Sully.

So no, not everyone would disagree with him, Dynasty.
Feb 1, 2011 4:06pm
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Feb 1, 2011 4:51 PM
77Legend;659640 wrote:Aaron Craft or Mike Conley?
David Lighty or Ron Lewis?
William Buford or Daquan Cook?
Jared Sullinger or Greg Oden?

I'm taking Craft, Lewis, Buford & Sullinger.

Conley
Lighty
Buford
Hmmmm, Sully and Oden are tough. I'd probably go with Oden. Seeing what he did in the title game when finally healthy was scarey. Thats what many don't realize, this guy was rarely healthy, played left handed for how many games. I honestly don't think he was close to 100% until NCAA time. We only saw a glimpse of what he was capable of doing when healthy and in game shape. Sully is obviously better offensive skill wise. But Oden was so big/strong..he had similar numbers...again, this playing how many games left handed and less minutes. And there was no question he was flat out better defensively.

Not sure how anyone could take Cook. He was selfish/no defense player IMO. Thus the reason he rarely started and played limited minutes quite often.
Feb 1, 2011 4:51pm
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Feb 1, 2011 5:18 PM
Mike Conley Jr
David Lighty
William Buford
Jared Sullinger
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Feb 1, 2011 5:27 PM
Dynasty you played basketball you HAVE to understand this.

What I mean by my post is:

There's certain stretches in almost every basketball game where the offense kind of hits a lull, and a spark is needed and someone has to step up. There are times this year when David Lighty has been that guy. That is literally all I'm saying. In the past, he hasn't really been that guy, he's evolved into that role this year, being more aggressive.
Feb 1, 2011 5:27pm