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Jan 3, 2011 2:53 PM
If the FBS had a playoff system, why would we need a CFF on the OC ? :o
Jan 3, 2011 2:53pm
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Jan 3, 2011 3:55 PM
A playoff doesn't crown the best team, just the one who can win the last 3/4 games of the season.

If the Bengals had won yesterday would we have said they were the best because they won their last 3 games? That is basically what you're saying with a playoff.

If the Seahawks go on to win the Super Bowl, I will think even less of the NFL than I already do, because they should never have been there.

All sports, like life, are unfair, and so are their ways of crowning a champion. Please get over it and stop pointing to a playoff as the answer. We all know that you will move on to something else to bitch about as soon as a playoff is (inevitably) implemented.

EDIT: LOL @ all the people that bitch about the BCS and computers deciding who is worthy and then quoting the BCS rankings as how a playoff would be seeded.
Jan 3, 2011 3:55pm
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Jan 3, 2011 4:03 PM
So wait....does the OP want the NFL to adopt the BCS? lolol
Jan 3, 2011 4:03pm
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Jan 3, 2011 4:12 PM
Automatik;623251 wrote:So wait....does the OP want the NFL to adopt the BCS? lolol

How does citing the ineptness of a playoff system in the NFL translate to the NFL adopting the BCS system?
Jan 3, 2011 4:12pm
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Jan 3, 2011 4:28 PM
Mooney44Cards;623245 wrote:A playoff doesn't crown the best team,

No, it crowns a champion, and is 100% objective, where best team is a subjective term. Your "logic" could be extended into not playing the games at all, we could just add up all of the recruiting 3-star, 4-star garbage (and that's exactly the correct term for it), and award the championship on national signing day.

All sports, like life, are unfair, and so are their ways of crowning a champion.

If that's so, then the goal would be to make it the least unfair. What method would you suggest for determining a champion that would be less unfair than actually playing games?
Jan 3, 2011 4:28pm
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Jan 3, 2011 4:52 PM
If you support the BCS, you're probably an awful human being.
Jan 3, 2011 4:52pm
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Jan 3, 2011 5:30 PM
SportsAndLady;623259 wrote:How does citing the ineptness of a playoff system in the NFL translate to the NFL adopting the BCS system?
My comment was made in jest. I got the idea that he supported the BCS and not NFL playoff system. Which IMO, is absurd.
Jan 3, 2011 5:30pm
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Jan 3, 2011 6:05 PM
It would be awesome to see the Seahawks win the SB.. Would we call it "a win for the little guys?" I agree that there should be a playoff for D1 college football if every other sport can do it why can't they.
Jan 3, 2011 6:05pm
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Jan 3, 2011 6:22 PM
Name a sport where the disparity between the haves and the have nots is as huge as it is in college football.
Jan 3, 2011 6:22pm
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Jan 3, 2011 6:57 PM
enigmaax;622756 wrote:Yeah, that is fun to talk about. It will never happen that way. The only way a playoff is going to happen is if the big boys would continue to make as much money and that would require their inclusion - and it would absolutely NOT involve awarding an automatic bid to a Sun Belt champion. I still think a playoff is a pipe dream, but even if it does eventually happen, it isn't going to be about making it "fair" for some little guy school.

On a side note, all the harping and complaining by the government did more to set a playoff back than anything. For starters, the squeaky wheels found a way to get oiled (save Boise State, and nobody gives a shit about them). Now any school that wants to earn the same respect as TCU and Utah (even BYU, to an extent) is going to have to dominate for a decade - basically, the little guys are now starting from scratch again. Secondly, any thought of a playoff would now pretty much preclude this autobid for the big conferences as I mentioned because it would just cause more uproar. When you add those two things together, Big Six will not give up its status plus the biggest of the little boys are now parts of the Big Six, playoffs are going to lose steam even in the eyes of fans.
Well at least meet me half way on this thing.

If the Big 10's alleged "best" continue to have their asses handed to them in bowl games, in regular season games, and by the "little guys" like TCU then is the Big 10 anymore BCS-worthy than any mid-major conference?

The Big 10 looks pathetic and has for at least a decade. No amount of scarlet & gray colored excuses can convince me otherwise.

Fair enough?
Jan 3, 2011 6:57pm
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Jan 3, 2011 6:59 PM
Sykotyk;623153 wrote:It's a matter of qualification. Seattle qualified under a fair and consistent system that didn't rely on style points, voters, or the whim of a Harris pollster in BFE. Everyone knows going into an NFL season what you MUST do to make the playoffs. Win your division and you're in. Simple as that. If you fail to win your division, there's two consolation prizes that is based on overall record over the entire conference. Fail to be one of the two best non-division winners, and you sit at home.

No mystery there. Nothing 'unfair' about it. What would be unfair is if you got what you wanted and the NFL announced the Giants would take the Seahawks spot in the playoffs because it would bring the NY market and they'd sell more tickets and have more people watching.

That is unfair.

Sykotyk

What is the mystery in the BCS? If you're TCU, you aren't getting in...period.

The divisional setup is nearly as arbitrary as the BCS formula. Teams are grouped mostly because they are in a close proximity. That doesn't make that cluster of teams any more worthy. The fact that a team can win all six games in its division and still not make the playoffs really damages the "fair and consistent" argument for a divisional setup. What do divisional games really mean if you can win them all and be left out?

Both setups have flaws and both mostly work out based on the criteria accepted by the members.
Jan 3, 2011 6:59pm
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Jan 3, 2011 7:10 PM
believer;623419 wrote:Well at least meet me half way on this thing.

If the Big 10's alleged "best" continue to have their asses handed to them in bowl games, in regular season games, and by the "little guys" like TCU then is the Big 10 anymore BCS-worthy than any mid-major conference?

The Big 10 looks pathetic and has for at least a decade. No amount of scarlet & gray colored excuses can convince me otherwise.

Fair enough?

I am totally against automatic bids. Completely.

And for the record, I'd really enjoy a playoff. I just don't think college football "needs" it or that the BCS is some great travesty. I do not think TCU, in a given season, does enough to have a case over Auburn/Oregon/whoever. It is a highly selective process and not everybody wins in all ways. In TCU's case, they get a great memory and handsomely rewarded. It is more than they got for 40 years of suck when they tried the "big boy" thing.

A playoff would have some interesting elements, matchups, etc. But it would also make some of the uniqueness expendable, so unless there is some blow away reason to change, I'm fine how things are. And that blow away reason isn't that Boise State or TCU didn't get a chance to win a couple games in a tournament like college basketball teams do.
Jan 3, 2011 7:10pm
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Jan 3, 2011 7:17 PM
2kool4skool;623290 wrote:If you support the BCS, you're probably an awful human being.

Guilty as charged--I don't want a playoff...why does everything have to be so cut and dry? What makes college football so popular is the uniqueness of crowning a "champion", no matter how subjective it may be. The discussions among fans before, during, and after the season is worth the price of admission itself.
Jan 3, 2011 7:17pm
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Jan 3, 2011 7:58 PM
enigmaax;622742 wrote:It is the systems fault in that four team divisions is a ridiculous way to divvy up and award automatic berths. But, that doesn't mean the NCAA would have to follow that model.

Exactly what I was going to say. Not sure why the OP didn't consider this haha
Jan 3, 2011 7:58pm
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Jan 3, 2011 8:08 PM
vball10set;623447 wrote:Guilty as charged--I don't want a playoff...why does everything have to be so cut and dry? What makes college football so popular is the uniqueness of crowning a "champion", no matter how subjective it may be. The discussions among fans before, during, and after the season is worth the price of admission itself.

Discussions can still exist. There could be some sort of playoff selection show where the final few spots are announced. You'd have just as much conversation on who was snubbed and who didn't deserve the spot.

The best thing a playoff creates is a meaningful end of the season/postseason. Too many games do not matter and are nothing more than moral victories.
Jan 3, 2011 8:08pm
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Jan 3, 2011 8:28 PM
jordo212000;623540 wrote:
The best thing a playoff creates is a meaningful end of the season/postseason.

Yep, sure would be a lot of discussion when the #3 team sat their starters for fear of them being injured going into the play-offs, you know going against their biggest rival. Don't say it would never happen either because it does now in the NFL, there would be no reason to not think it wouldn't happen in college ball either.
Jan 3, 2011 8:28pm
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Jan 3, 2011 8:31 PM
enigmaax;622741 wrote:The only problem with this is that you assume those TCUs and Boise States would make a playoff. IF a playoff is ever implemented, it isn't going to exclude any of the big six conferences, it isn't going to use the BCS forumula (because the "BCS" as it were, would be dead), and those teams are simply going to be left out in the cold with still no title shot and the addtional lack of money that comes with a BCS bowl.

Careful what you wish you for.

Actually, in all likelihood, they would. TCU just earned a seat at the Big Boy's table and as long as Boise hovers around the top 5, I think you are assured of seeing them get an invite.

Besides, I think it is a matter of time before Boise gets AQ status as well. (Mtn West could get it, but even if they don't... some expanding conference will toss them one eventually as long as they can keep this pace up)
Jan 3, 2011 8:31pm
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Jan 3, 2011 8:42 PM
ytownfootball;623576 wrote:Yep, sure would be a lot of discussion when the #3 team sat their starters for fear of them being injured going into the play-offs, you know going against their biggest rival. Don't say it would never happen either because it does now in the NFL, there would be no reason to not think it wouldn't happen in college ball either.

*There are far fewer games in college football. Thus there is less of a chance that a team makes up the kind of distance that allows for them to do that.

*Also, there are rivalries in the final week of the season. You think Tress or any other coach in a rivalry game benches their starters? (Tress could have last year and did not)

*Often the final week of the regular season can decide who plays in the conference championship, in most scenarios, the conference championship would be used as an autobid for the playoffs. Think teams are going tank?

*In the current system, by the final week of the regular season, 95% of teams have no hope for a championship and only have the bowl game to look forward to. Yet there are no documented cases of tanking.
Jan 3, 2011 8:42pm
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Jan 3, 2011 8:44 PM
Mooney44Cards;623387 wrote:Name a sport where the disparity between the haves and the have nots is as huge as it is in college football.

Actually I would argue the playing field has been more level than it has ever been. Did you ever think you'd see the day where Boise State and TCU would be playing bowl games against the Big 10/12 and winning? Did you ever think TCU/Boise would be ranked in the top 5?
Jan 3, 2011 8:44pm
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Jan 3, 2011 8:49 PM
Just playing the advocate role jordo. It could happen is the point, making it look more like the pro game which is something that should never happen in college ball.
Jan 3, 2011 8:49pm
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Jan 3, 2011 9:03 PM
A guy arguing why there shouldnt be a playoff is like the amish still stickin to the no electricty thing.. they ain't budging so we just gotta move on without them. Unfortunately the Amish are still running the CFB world.
Jan 3, 2011 9:03pm
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Jan 3, 2011 9:06 PM
No need to go all petulant little bitch in the face of reality.
Jan 3, 2011 9:06pm
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Jan 3, 2011 9:08 PM
ytownfootball;623645 wrote:No need to go all petulant little bitch in the face of reality.
old man jibberish.
Jan 3, 2011 9:08pm
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Jan 3, 2011 9:09 PM
rydawg5;623650 wrote:old man jibberish.

You are a virgin.
Jan 3, 2011 9:09pm
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Jan 3, 2011 9:10 PM
Just playing the advocate role jordo. It could happen is the point, making it look more like the pro game which is something that should never happen in college ball.
I realize that. I enjoy the banter. :)
Jan 3, 2011 9:10pm