They aren't going after Mason. We keep hearing "the Browns are linked to this guy or that guy" and they end up with the Usama Young's of the league. Face facts, Tommy Boy has NO intention of adding significant FA's until he sees whether what they have on their roster is worth a squirt of piss, or not.

I dont have a problem with that either, Mason isn't the difference between playoffs or not for this squad.

Commander of Awesome;852869 wrote:I dont have a problem with that either, Mason isn't the difference between playoffs or not for this squad.

Shit...they could've landed Ray Edwards, Clabo, Tulloch or Puz, a stud free safety and Santonio Holmes and this team STILL wasn't making the playoffs.

Hell BR....why in the hell didnt they make a play for Plaxico

Ty Webb;852902 wrote:Hell BR....why in the hell didnt they make a play for Plaxico

See "youth movement." Heckert isn't going to pick up anybody, especially someone Plax's age, until he has completely analyzed this roster. Now do I think that's a mistake at certain positions (WR, LB)? Yes, but I think they are doing the smart thing going with youth. Seemed to work out well for St Louis & Tampa last year.

I still think as of right now the LB core is scary, mostly because of depth. Gocong and Fujita are no spring chickens, and both Fujita and Jackson are both coming off injury. One pectoral muscle tear and a high ankle sprain away from Maiava and Titus Brown as the starters. I am sure we will be picking up a bunch of YOUNG LB castoffs from other teams.

Maiva sucks too. No clue on Titus though I hear he's the "vocal leader" of the second team defense, what ever that counts for.

Mr Miyagi;852940 wrote:I still think as of right now the LB core is scary, mostly because of depth. Gocong and Fujita are no spring chickens, and both Fujita and Jackson are both coming off injury. One pectoral muscle tear and a high ankle sprain away from Maiava and Titus Brown as the starters. I am sure we will be picking up a bunch of YOUNG LB castoffs from other teams.

Fujita is a "pro's pro" and will be fine, if healthy. Jackson SHOULD have a career year, again...if healthy. The one that actually scares the Hell out of me is Gocong at the WILL. He is slow as fuck in his recognition and is going to get beaten like a drum in coverage. Depth is the obvious concern. Still think this is the thinnest group on the team....even worse than WR.

I'd like to see the Browns go after Jerricho Cotchery. He was making plays in NY before they brought everyone in, and he was kind of phased out, but the talent is there. He's only 29

Buster Skrine has been impressive as Hell in this camp working with the 1st team. The only time he's had issues is guarding the guys like Evan Moore (6'5"+) which could be a future problem. Doubtful Skrine will face that type of height on a regular basis. Kid could make an early impact as a nickel.

BR1986FB;853273 wrote:Buster Skrine has been impressive as Hell in this camp working with the 1st team. The only time he's had issues is guarding the guys like Evan Moore (6'5"+) which could be a future problem. Doubtful Skrine will face that type of height on a regular basis. Kid could make an early impact as a nickel.

Loved the Skrine pick in the draft. Yea, he's blazing fast in the 40, but he also was tops in the shuttles. The video I saw of him, he looked like he played bigger than his size.

Updates from Family Day....

jsbrownsinsider Jeff Schudel
#Browns McCoy threads 5-yard touchdown pass to Greg Little between Young and Peterson. Follows that with TD toss to Evan Moore.
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Tony Grossi
TonyGrossi Tony Grossi
McCoy throws it up to left corner of end zone. Greg Little soars above 2 defenders for the grab. That's his hallmark, we're told.
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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: TE Moore uses height mis-match over M Adams in endzone score.
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TheOBR Orange and Brown Rpt
Back to back 5-yard TD passes from McCoy in red zone drill, one to Little, one to Moore.
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Nate Ulrich
ABJ_Browns Nate Ulrich
McCoy comes back a couple of plays later and throws a dart to WR Greg Little for the scored.
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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Little goes up top over Young and SBrown in back corner of endzone for score! Perfect McCoy pass in double coverage
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Nate Ulrich
ABJ_Browns Nate Ulrich
McCoy shows he has abiity to extend play with his legs. Then finds WR Carlton Mitchell for a TD.
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TonyGrossi Tony Grossi
Greg Little grabs another on a skinny post, and then he is moved to do a 180-degree, behind-the-head slam dunk over the crossbar.

Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Norwood and Haden not catching punts tho.
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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Punt drills for blocking schemes now. Cribbs, A Smith, Haden & Norwood all back w ST coach just catching the punt.
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DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Benard just looks angry and relentless when rushing the QB

Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Ivey uses brute force to over power Pinkston

Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Sheard trips himself up and falls during a pass rush drill attempt. Motor was too high on that one

Tony Grossi
TonyGrossi Tony Grossi
"@Chiefp70: @TonyGrossi @AndyJardine1 Tony - does McCoy's arm look stronger this year?"In August, yes

Sounds like McCoy to Little is working pretty well! Hope its like that during the regular season!

Was that just a bit of snark from Grossi on the question about McCoy's arm strength?

Isn't it a fact that McCoy's shoulder was never completely healed during all of last season and it hurt his ability to throw the ball to some degree, and he has said it is now 100 percent?

TheOBR Orange and Brown Rpt
Montario Hardesty in full pads, running back in forth with ball in west endzone.
Don Delco
DonDelcoOBR Don Delco
Kickoff teams working now, extra five yards for Dawson will make for some very boring kickoffs this year.

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: 11-on-11 over. Saw good things from JMitchell inthose drills. Sheard keeps getting shut down by JThomas over & over

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Kickoff return drills. Cribbs, Skrine, Little, A Smith all returners.

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
He has a strained leg. “@BigBlake32: @DanielWolfNFL I'm at #browns stadium and why isn't Haden getting reps? Is he injured?”

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Cleveland Browns
OfficialBrowns Cleveland Browns
Colt McCoy hit Evan Moore for a TD during a 3rd down drill at #Browns Family Day. Who do you think will be Colt's favorite target in 2011?

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Interesting 4 WR set with Robo, Cribbs, CMitchell & Haggerty. Robo and Cribbs in slots

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Don Delco
DonDelcoOBR Don Delco
QB Troy Weatherhead not getting many reps. Funky and kinda cool last name, though.

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: BJax shows speed and take handoff right for a good gain.

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Jeff Schudel
jsbrownsinsider Jeff Schudel
#Browns TD McCoy to Evan Moore, D'Qwell Jackson chasing Moore.

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Nate Ulrich
ABJ_Browns Nate Ulrich
McCoy catches the D sleeping and hits TE Evan Moore in stride for a 50-yard TD.

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: TE Moore out runs D Jackson on deep crossing route. McCoy finds him and off for a TD.

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Orange and Brown Rpt
TheOBR Orange and Brown Rpt
McCoy to Moore for about a 45-yard TD. Breakdown by defense. D'Qwell Jackson thought he had backside help. He didn't.

6 minutes ago
Will Burge
WillBurge Will Burge
Evan Moore burn DQ Jackson, McCoy hits him in stride for a TD #Browns

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Either JMitchell is this good or Pashos needs help at RT. He jumped up causing another bad McCoy pass

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Jeff Schudel
jsbrownsinsider Jeff Schudel
# Short pass thigh high t0 Hills bounces off him and is picked by Mike Adams. Good pressure on McCoy by Sheard.

8 minutes ago
Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Nice quick handoff to Hillis up middle. Caught D off guard

8 minutes ago
Will Burge
WillBurge Will Burge
McCoy dumps off to Hillis, Hillis bobbles and Mike Adams has a pick 6. That one not the QBs fault #Browns

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Orange and Brown Rpt
TheOBR Orange and Brown Rpt
Mike Adams provided a little excitement. McCoy to Hillis pass popped in air, Adams caught it and took it to the house, like the kids say.

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Nate Ulrich
ABJ_Browns Nate Ulrich
Hillis can't hang on to McCoy pass...Adams grabs it out of the air for a pick six.

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Mike Adams pick-six on deflected McCoy pass. JMitchell caused chaos for Colt by collapsing pocket quick

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Don Delco
DonDelcoOBR Don Delco
Not to stoke any fires @RyInCBus: @DaveKolonich but he just tried to throw a bomb from midfield to Robiskie .. eh

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Nate Ulrich
ABJ_Browns Nate Ulrich
Rookie QB Jarrett Brown seeing some action...toss a nice pass.

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Jarrett Brown brings out his arm on a rope pass down the field. So pretty of a spiral!

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Lockdown coverage on outside, Wallace has to throw to BJax as outlet, wrapped up ASAP by Hagg

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Broken play. BJackson goes wrong way at snap, leaves Wallace w no one to hand ball to

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Greg Little#15 W/R
GLittle_fan_pg Greg Little#15 W/R
Alex Mack is doing work against Taylor!!

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Don Delco
DonDelcoOBR Don Delco
As 11 on 11 drill takes place, Phil Dawson is booming FGs at other end. Yeah, he's a kicker, but it's fun to watch him do what he does best.


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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: JMitchell right in McCoys face causing terrible short pass to Watson. Incomplete

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Will Burge
WillBurge Will Burge
Jabaal Sheard has been effective in pass rush but has been eatn alive in the run game #Browns

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Hillis and BJackson in backfield at same time. BJax moves to slot, handoff to Hillis

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Will Burge
WillBurge Will Burge
On 1st play of 1st team O vs 1st team D Colt tried to go deep to Robo, under throws him and Sheldon Brown nearly picks him off #Browns

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Robo deep has a step on S Brown but McCoy under throws it and Brown catches up. Incomplete

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Some real action now! 1st team O vs 1st team D!! yfrog.com/gy9elqpj

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Jeff Schudel
jsbrownsinsider Jeff Schudel
#Browns TD pass McCoy to wide open Robiskie.
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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: CMitchell looks quick off the snap and in his first cut. Great things to have in a WCO WR!
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DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Brown connects on the run with Castile. 58 secs left only 33 yds to pay dirt

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: You really have to see Brown's arm to appreciate it. I'm sure he can throw it 70yds off balance easily.

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Jarrett Brown uses his cannon for a 20-ish yd pass on first throw.

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: 3rd team offense turn against 3rd team D

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Wallace and 2nd team O stalls out after Sheard sack but mange to get FG as time expires. BROWNS WIN! hahaa

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Don Delco
DonDelcoOBR Don Delco
On field, very underwhelming crowd. This was free!!!

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Sheard gets a sack on Wallace, beat Braxton around edge.

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Wallace finds TE Moore wide open over the middle. Then finds BJax on quick slant. Both solid gains in 2 min drill!

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: 2 plays, 2quick passes by Wallace to BJax. Gotta move the ball farther/faster in 2 min drill

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Will Burge
WillBurge Will Burge
1st team O vs 2nd team D in 2 min drill, 2 plays in Colt McCoy throws and INT. #Browns

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: McCoy throws it right to Dockery for a pick. 2nd team offense up.


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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Time for 2 min drill

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Don Delco
DonDelcoOBR Don Delco
DB Darian Hagan is wearing No. 47. I know Vickers wouldn't work in this offense, but I enjoyed watching him play FT.

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Will Burge
WillBurge Will Burge
Its 3rd team O vs 3rd team D but Jarrett Brown is moving the ball better than anyone else right now

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Jarret Brown shows off some wheels as he escapes pressure and throws on the run with a laser to complete it

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Jeff Schudel
jsbrownsinsider Jeff Schudel
#Brwns Jamie Mitchell got into the backfield quickly by beating backup RT phil Trautwein.

19 minutes ago
Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Sheard is not against JThomas now (Braxton) and just pushed the pocket to Wallace's right causing an incomplete.

19 minutes ago
Don Delco
DonDelcoOBR Don Delco
Browns defense was just in nickle, Buster Skrine seeing time at DB.

20 minutes ago
Orange and Brown Rpt
TheOBR Orange and Brown Rpt
Browns defense was just in nickle, Buster Skrine seeing time at DB.

20 minutes ago
Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Usama Young keeps floating around pre-snap like a predator or something.

21 minutes ago
Will Burge
WillBurge Will Burge
11 on 11's (1st team O vs 2nd team D) McCoy scambles to convert 1st 4th down & the offense cannot convert a 2nd. Only moved about 12 yards

22 minutes ago
Don Delco
DonDelcoOBR Don Delco
That was meant to be left guard. I goofed. #BGSUeducation RT @mandm2819: Pat Murray is seeing time at right guard next to Thomas and Mack.

22 minutes ago
Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Time for 2nd O to face 1st team D now

24 minutes ago
Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Gocong working as MLB with 2nd team D

24 minutes ago
Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Punter McGee is eclusively working as Phil Dawson's place holder on FG attempts

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Jeff Schudel
jsbrownsinsider Jeff Schudel
#Browns Punter McGree hiolding for Phil Dawson on field goal tries. That's a good sign for McGdee,

25 minutes ago
Don Delco
DonDelcoOBR Don Delco
Sorry, left guard. #id10T error

26 minutes ago
Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: 2nd team CBs are Skrine and Francies and safeties are Adams and Hagg

26 minutes ago
Don Delco
DonDelcoOBR Don Delco
Pat Murray is seeing time at right guard next to Thomas and Mack.

27 minutes ago
Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Hagg nearly picks off a long ball from McCoy to Robo, who was held a bit by Skrine.

27 minutes ago
Don Delco
DonDelcoOBR Don Delco
McCoy just unleased a bomb, it didn't float, but it was into double coverage.

27 minutes ago
Don Delco
DonDelcoOBR Don Delco
Browns back to 11-on-11 drills. McCoy only QB to see reps with the ones. #noQBcontroversyforonce

29 minutes ago
Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Solid lead block by Marecic on Maiava to open a hole for Hillis on run

31 minutes ago
Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: Team is taking a short rest period before getting back to 11-on-11

31 minutes ago
Will Burge
WillBurge Will Burge
Carlton Mitchell leaving the field and heading to the locker room with a trainer #Browns
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DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: That's all from me here. Look for my report in a bit...

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: McCoy and 1st team fail in 2nd attempt to score in 2 min drill. 60yd FG attempt missed by Dawson.
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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: McCoy dumps it off to BJax. Then 1st down pass to Haggerty. Back to BJax for no gain. 7 sec left. Hail Mary time

5 minutes ago
Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: 1st pass to Little defended by Hagg. Good coverage and even better ability to reach around and bat down ball

6 minutes ago
Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: McCoy and 1st team O back up

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Daniel Wolf
DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
Live at #Browns stadium: QB Brown takes team into FG goal range and Wolfert connects with only 12 sec left on clock.
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TonyGrossi Tony Grossi
Phil Dawson's 60y FG highlight of #Browns Family day.
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Don Delco
DonDelcoOBR Don Delco
Family Day Attendance: 11,965
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Don Delco
DonDelcoOBR Don Delco
Practice day ends with 60 yd FG by Dawson. #stillBrownsbestplayer

One of the comments I just saw regarding the WR's is that "it seems like they are all the same guy." In other words, nobody really differentiates himself from the others whether it's size or ability. Not very encouraging.

They all seem to have the same skill sets.

Aug. 05, 2011 12:25 p.m. - by Marty Gitlin - Shurmur extra careful with recovering RB Hardesty
Coach Pat Shurmur finally detailed why RB Montario Hardesty has missed the last four days of practice. He said it was a planned reduction in practice time "so there would be no setbacks" after Hardesty missed all of last season with a knee injury. Browns RapidReports

Aug. 05, 2011 12:27 p.m. - by Marty Gitlin - Shurmur wants Cribbs to balance WR, returner roles
Coach Pat Shurmur said KR/WR Josh Cribbs was impressive in slant and arrow routes. He added that Cribbs is making progress as a receiver, but stressed the importance of ensuring he can maximize his contributions as a returner. Shurmur denied that means Cribbs would be limited at receiver. Browns RapidReports

16 minutes ago - by Marty Gitlin - DE Benard ices up after injuring knee
The Browns don"t have enough depth at DE to sustain a serious injury to Marcus Benard . Benard is wearing an ice pack on his right knee after hurting it during a pass rush drill. Browns RapidReports

Seems Wolf thinks the team will go 8-8. I just dont see it. I suppose it doesn't help a writer covering the team to be negative.

Commander of Awesome;853561 wrote:Seems Wolf thinks the team will go 8-8. I just dont see it. I suppose it doesn't help a writer covering the team to be negative.

I think 8-8 is realistic given the schedule. My guess would be 7-9

Commander of Awesome;853561 wrote:Seems Wolf thinks the team will go 8-8. I just dont see it. I suppose it doesn't help a writer covering the team to be negative.

I'd be surprised and excited if we went 8-8, but I doubt it. I think we had a good draft, but are we really 3 wins better?

sleeper;853567 wrote: but are we really 3 wins better?

I don't see it.

sleeper;853567 wrote:I'd be surprised and excited if we went 8-8, but I doubt it. I think we had a good draft, but are we really 3 wins better?

Agreed. I would say I could see a sweep against Cincinnati but they seem to find a way to split all the time it seems. I don't see this as a .500 team, yet.

Writerbuckeye;853471 wrote:Was that just a bit of snark from Grossi on the question about McCoy's arm strength?

He always has those kind of comments, he is an idiot. Cleveland's Browns reporters are kind of terrible. Grossi and MKC specifically. Carucci does a good job on browns daily, and dre knott is ok, it just seems like there isn't one great one.