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Jan 3, 2011 2:29 PM
thedynasty1998;623152 wrote:To say the Super Bowl is every team's goal sounds nice, but that's not reality. There are only probably 10 teams with a realistic goal to win the Super Bowl.

If the Browns would have said at the beginning of the season their goal was the Super Bowl, everyone would have laughed. Their goal was likely to get to .500, which I think most fans would have been extremely happy with.

There is a difference in fans' expectations and the players/teams' expectations. That is what you fail to grasp in this discussion.
Jan 3, 2011 2:29pm
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Jan 3, 2011 2:30 PM
thedynasty1998;623168 wrote:If you must know, I am a Browns fan.

Not an Indians fan nor necessarily a Cavs fan. I know that will be difficult for you to comprehend.

You are a joke of a fan then. Definitely not in touch with what a real Browns fan is. I know that will be difficult for you to comprehend.
Jan 3, 2011 2:30pm
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Jan 3, 2011 2:36 PM
SportsAndLady;623173 wrote:There is a difference in fans' expectations and the players/teams' expectations. That is what you fail to grasp in this discussion.
But I'm saying there shouldn't be.

Most Cavs fans on here were saying they would be happy with getting into the playoffs this year. That contradicts everything that is being said here. The Cavs fans' goal should be NBA Championship.
like_that;623174 wrote:You are a joke of a fan then. Definitely not in touch with what a real Browns fan is. I know that will be difficult for you to comprehend.
What is a "real Browns fan"?
Jan 3, 2011 2:36pm
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Jan 3, 2011 2:42 PM
An overtly stated goal of mediocrity is a fucking loser attitude...point blank
Jan 3, 2011 2:42pm
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Jan 3, 2011 2:43 PM
ytownfootball;623193 wrote:An overtly stated goal of mediocrity is a fucking loser attitude...point blank

Well we are talking about the Browns. I'm not saying I'm happy to say I would be pleased with a .500 record. But given the current situation and past history, that would be improvement, and I think that's what most Browns fans are looking for at this point.
Jan 3, 2011 2:43pm
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Jan 3, 2011 2:43 PM
And just to be clear...by definition, you're not a fan of anything other than your goofy opinions which you hold in the highest regard.
Jan 3, 2011 2:43pm
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Jan 3, 2011 2:45 PM
thedynasty1998;623182 wrote:But I'm saying there shouldn't be.

Most Cavs fans on here were saying they would be happy with getting into the playoffs this year. That contradicts everything that is being said here. The Cavs fans' goal should be NBA Championship.

I mean fans can have expectations that do not come true and still be happy.

As a fan, my expectation is for the Browns to win the Super Bowl. But if they go 10-6 with a loss in the AFC Championship game, I'm not gonna say it was a failure of a season.

I'm not gonna sit here and wish for playoff losses every year, why the fuck would I do that? I want them to win the Super Bowl so I will expect that every year...just because it doesn't happen doesn't make me a sad depressed person.
Jan 3, 2011 2:45pm
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Jan 3, 2011 2:51 PM
thedynasty1998;623195 wrote:Well we are talking about the Browns. I'm not saying I'm happy to say I would be pleased with a .500 record. But given the current situation and past history, that would be improvement, and I think that's what most Browns fans are looking for at this point.

Ask the Texans' fans how they feel about .500 records and "improvements"

It's just a term thrown around to spring optimism in the fanbase. It's bullshit. "Oh we didn't do anything worth shit this year, but we're improving and we should be good here real soon" Yeah, bullshit.

Look at the Miami Dolphins a few years ago when they went 1-15; next year, they're division winners. I didn't see any .500 records in between the two seasons.

Look at the Chiefs last year (4-12), then look at them this year (10-6, hosting a playoff game). You see any "improvement years" in there at all?

In the NFL, moreso than any other league (so throw out your Cavs analogy, you and I both know it does take "improvement years" in the NBA to become championship caliber) you can go from shit to super bowl contenders in one off season. These so-called "improvement years" is just a bunch of political bullshit thrown out by coaches and FO staff to justify their failure to achieve success.
Jan 3, 2011 2:51pm
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Jan 3, 2011 2:57 PM
thedynasty1998;623169 wrote:Okay, I'm wrong.

The Browns goal next year is the Super Bowl. Anything less is a failure.

isn't the goal for every team every year to win the superbowl?
Jan 3, 2011 2:57pm
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Jan 3, 2011 2:59 PM
SportsAndLady;623204 wrote:Ask the Texans' fans how they feel about .500 records and "improvements"

It's just a term thrown around to spring optimism in the fanbase. It's bullshit. "Oh we didn't do anything worth shit this year, but we're improving and we should be good here real soon" Yeah, bullshit.

Look at the Miami Dolphins a few years ago when they went 1-15; next year, they're division winners. I didn't see any .500 records in between the two seasons.

Look at the Chiefs last year (4-12), then look at them this year (10-6, hosting a playoff game). You see any "improvement years" in there at all?

In the NFL, moreso than any other league (so throw out your Cavs analogy, you and I both know it does take "improvement years" in the NBA to become championship caliber) you can go from shit to super bowl contenders in one off season. These so-called "improvement years" is just a bunch of political bullshit thrown out by coaches and FO staff to justify their failure to achieve success.
+1 i completely agree with that statement. the NFL turns over night. it pisses me off when people say we are rebuilding. shit happens over night now a days
Jan 3, 2011 2:59pm
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Jan 3, 2011 3:17 PM
I've been a Browns fan for many years. And my hopes every year are to win a Super Bowl. I don't go into the season hoping for 8-8. That's for losers.

As far as Colt goes. I saw enough of him to believe he could lead this team to the playoffs with more talent around him. When Hillis was healthy and teams weren't loading up the line of scrimmage, he was much better. And that was without a true deep threat that defenses had to respect. Lets face it, this offense revolved around throwing to the Te and RBs out of the backfield for most of the year. There are holes to fill. When that is taken care of, we will see a very good QB.
Jan 3, 2011 3:17pm
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Jan 3, 2011 3:18 PM
ytownfootball;623196 wrote:And just to be clear...by definition, you're not a fan of anything other than your goofy opinions which you hold in the highest regard.

Great point here Y. Pwned.
Jan 3, 2011 3:18pm
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Jan 3, 2011 3:25 PM
Expectations do not equal goals. I can expect the browns to go 8-8 but my goal for them is still a championship.

Same goes for end of thenyear evaluations. My goal was a title, but if they make the playoffs it's a great season, and improvement, but didn't reach my ultimate goal.

What team doesn't go into a year hoping for a title?
Jan 3, 2011 3:25pm
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Jan 3, 2011 3:28 PM
Laley23;623234 wrote:What team doesn't go into a year hoping for a title?

Thedynasty's fantasy dreamworld where fans of bad teams must always pray, PRAY for a 9-7 record.
Jan 3, 2011 3:28pm
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Jan 3, 2011 7:25 PM
SportsAndLady;623236 wrote:Thedynasty's fantasy dreamworld where fans of bad teams must always pray, PRAY for a 9-7 record.

Never once did I say that. I said that if the Browns made the playoffs next year I would be thrilled. I'm not going to say that if they don't win the Super Bowl next year it's a failure.

As for the Texans, they have different expectations because of their talent and their history of being a mediocre team.

So how do you explain all the Cavs fans that said they would be happy if they get into the playoffs? A NBA Championship is the goal, and anything less is a failure.
Jan 3, 2011 7:25pm
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Jan 3, 2011 7:25 PM
SportsAndLady;623236 wrote:Thedynasty's fantasy dreamworld where fans of bad teams must always pray, PRAY for a 9-7 record.

What are your expectations of OU's football team? A BCS Championship?
Jan 3, 2011 7:25pm
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Jan 3, 2011 7:30 PM
Once again, expectations DO NOT = goals....
Jan 3, 2011 7:30pm
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Jan 3, 2011 7:43 PM
Laley23;623475 wrote:Once again, expectations DO NOT = goals....

What is the difference? Are you not supposed to have realistic goals?
Jan 3, 2011 7:43pm
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Jan 3, 2011 7:49 PM
thedynasty1998;623490 wrote:What is the difference? Are you not supposed to have realistic goals?

My goal in life is to broadcast the final four....I doubt I ever do it regardless of how hard I work or how good I become at my profession. My expectations don't equal my goals.

For a sports team, my goal is always championship, but I can look at a roster and temper my expectations. They just aren't the same in all situations. But as anyone and they will give you what they want to happen, and then what they think will happen. I get this all the time interviewing coaches for tv before their games.
Jan 3, 2011 7:49pm
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Jan 3, 2011 7:51 PM
Laley23;623500 wrote:My goal in life is to broadcast the final four....I doubt I ever do it regardless of how hard I work or how good I become at my profession. My expectations don't equal my goals.

For a sports team, my goal is always championship, but I can look at a roster and temper my expectations. They just aren't the same in all situations. But as anyone and they will give you what they want to happen, and then what they think will happen. I get this all the time interviewing coaches for tv before their games.

Fair enough
Jan 3, 2011 7:51pm
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Jan 4, 2011 3:38 PM
With Holmgren saying it will be a West Coast Offense next year it looks like he is for the time being.
Jan 4, 2011 3:38pm
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Jan 4, 2011 3:44 PM
Red Saul;624532 wrote:With Holmgren saying it will be a West Coast Offense next year it looks like he is for the time being.
Which is fine with me. He is serviceable for the time being(until they get more talent around him), and you never know, he may be able to do what Jeff Garcia done in the WCO.
Jan 4, 2011 3:44pm
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Jan 4, 2011 3:45 PM
With where they are in the draft, if he is still there I would think AJ Green is the pick and then they have a nice 1-2 receiver core.
Jan 4, 2011 3:45pm
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Jan 4, 2011 3:48 PM
Yea, it has to be Green if he's still there.
Jan 4, 2011 3:48pm