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Dec 20, 2010 2:34 PM
Roy was good from the get go, so thats a bad comparison for Turner

Parker was overseas for years because he wasnt good enough, much like Turner thus far
Dec 20, 2010 2:34pm
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Dec 20, 2010 2:36 PM
thedynasty1998;608259 wrote:I'm really starting to question your logic. A 19 year old one year out of HS is obviously going to be more immature physically and hasn't had the two years of high level coaching. Turner has that. It's common sense, and you can't seem to grasp it.

Turner is an average athlete, at best, by NBA standards. Not sure how you can debate that?

I'm just saying that both have played the same amount of the NBA. Turner has had high level coaching in college which (according to YOUR own words) is much different than the NBA (and lord knows he isn't getting "high level coaching" from Doug freaking Collins). Most people thought Turner was an average athlete in college too. Being able to jump out of the gym doesn't make you a great basketball player. Conversely just because you aren't an amazing athlete doesn't mean you can't be an all-star. Look at Steve Nash and Sebastian Telfair...
Dec 20, 2010 2:36pm
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Dec 20, 2010 2:36 PM
Hb31187;608258 wrote:Lol @ him compared to Brandon Roy and Anthony Parker. Both of which have a 10x better jumper

Both are horrible comparisons. Boy is pure 2 guard. Anthony Parker is basically a spot up shooter. Turner is neither of which.

I really don't know who he is comparable in the NBA, but I just looked at guys labeled as G/F on yahoo and these are the guys where I could see Turner being similar, and yes I know they are all unique to each other:

James Harden, Mike Dunleavy, Jared Dudley, Josh Childress
Dec 20, 2010 2:36pm
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Dec 20, 2010 2:38 PM
Hb31187;608262 wrote:Roy was good from the get go, so thats a bad comparison for Turner

Parker was overseas for years because he wasnt good enough, much like Turner thus far

I was comparing things like size, style of play, position...not first year production. If in 5 years Turner hasn't improved, fine then. You are all right. My point is that you cannot predict a player's career from 30 games of his rookie year. If you can't see that, well I'd suggest following soccer.

So Brandon Roy, a player that plays the same position, is 1 inch shorter and 5 pounds heavier isn't a good comparison? Turner is struggling with his outside shot so far, but that shot has been a constant improvement every year and his game is more inside the three point arc. Turner gets a LOT less touches than Roy as well. I don't see the point to arguing anymore, I think I've made my point clear....and that is that the player Evan Turner becomes, from d-league washout to perennial all-star, is still very much up in the air after 30 games into his first season...
Dec 20, 2010 2:38pm
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Dec 20, 2010 2:38 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;608265 wrote:I'm just saying that both have played the same amount of the NBA. Turner has had high level coaching in college which (according to YOUR own words) is much different than the NBA (and lord knows he isn't getting "high level coaching" from Doug freaking Collins). Most people thought Turner was an average athlete in college too. Being able to jump out of the gym doesn't make you a great basketball player. Conversely just because you aren't an amazing athlete doesn't mean you can't be an all-star. Look at Steve Nash and Sebastian Telfair...
Not sure what you are trying to say about coaching.

I agree about athleticism in the NBA. But if you are not a great athlete, you better to able to shoot the ball, rebound, play defense and be strong. All of those are the things Turner can work on to get better at.
Dec 20, 2010 2:38pm
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Dec 20, 2010 2:46 PM
thedynasty1998;608268 wrote: All of those are the things Turner can work on to get better at.

Ok, that's part of my point. You're making it out to sound like he can never improve on those aspects and his game now is what his game is going to look like in 5-10 years.
Dec 20, 2010 2:46pm
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Dec 20, 2010 2:51 PM
As the 2 pick, I expected Turner to at least be a somewhat "solid" contributor on a pretty crappy Sixers team. Maybe even steal some minutes/numbers from AI2 to the point where the Sixers felt comfortable - or more willing - to deal him. Some local Philly media have described Turner as having a bad attitude and being "non-interested". He was flat out benched with no pt against the Lakers on Friday. I do hope he pulls it together.
Dec 20, 2010 2:51pm
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Dec 20, 2010 4:32 PM
thedynasty1998;608259 wrote:I'm really starting to question your logic. A 19 year old one year out of HS is obviously going to be more immature physically and hasn't had the two years of high level coaching. Turner has that. It's common sense, and you can't seem to grasp it.

Turner is an average athlete, at best, by NBA standards. Not sure how you can debate that?

I actually think he's an above average athlete, he just seems to move slower on the court. It's kinda like how Terrelle Pryor "glides" and doesn't look like he's running fast.
Dec 20, 2010 4:32pm
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Dec 20, 2010 5:06 PM
Compared to you or I hes an above average athlete, hell hes an amazing athlete compared to us. But for the NBA standards as a wingman/2guard...hes average at best. Hes not very quick, explosive or blazingly fast. Hes average
Dec 20, 2010 5:06pm
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Dec 20, 2010 10:22 PM
Die hard Buckeye fan, and I've never thought that Turner's game would translate to the NBA. Now if he has any sort of work ethic at all, he certainly has the ability to be a solid ROLE player in the NBA, but he's never going to worthy of having been the number two pick in the draft. With that said, I would've absolutely loved to have seen Turner stay his senior year and be the leader of this year's Ohio State team.
Dec 20, 2010 10:22pm
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Dec 20, 2010 10:27 PM
OhioStatePride2003;608722 wrote: I would've absolutely loved to have seen Turner stay his senior year and be the leader of this year's Ohio State team.

I loved having Turner last season, but this year's team is much better suited without him. I feel like Turner would have a hard time deferring to Sullinger. And that would be a mistake
Dec 20, 2010 10:27pm
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Dec 20, 2010 10:55 PM
Age is a HUGE factor. How many NBA players have EXPLODED after hitting the age of 22 or 23, AFTER their rookie contracts were over or in their final year? Without looking it up, the answer is a LOT MORE than guys who were drafted at age 22 and spent 3 or more years in college.

Comparing Turner and Favors right now, especially saying their numbers are "equal" just shows how much more valuable of a pick Favors was. Not to mention, that Favors is a much better fit in Philly than Turner.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not completely dogging Evan Turner. The Philadelphia 76ers are the main culprit in this mistake. If I wasn't a fan, I wouldn't care, but combined with that and the fact that I would've definitely preferred Cousins (or Favors) over Turner (who I never thought had a great niche in the NBA) is why I've really been involved in this argument.

It really has nothing to do with Turner being a former Buckeye.
Dec 20, 2010 10:55pm
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Dec 20, 2010 11:05 PM
Azubuike24;608802 wrote:Age is a HUGE factor.

Let's not act like Turner is 45 though haha. There have been plenty of NBA players who have had success after sticking around at college for a couple of years. It's not a bad thing to stay in school and hone your skills.

Really raw, yet athletic big men who may or may not develop a post-game, but declared early anyways are littered throughout the NBA. It is a little harder to develop those guys than you think. Favors needs polish, but how is he going to get that in the NBA? The Nets aren't going to throw him to the wolves if he isn't ready, and by this point practices are few and far between... so how is he going to get better? (cough cough should have developed in college another season or two). He got paid though, and I guess at the end of the day you can't argue with that

I agree about Cousins, but to me I still don't think you can honestly say they screwed the pooch because they took Turner over Favors
Dec 20, 2010 11:05pm
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Dec 20, 2010 11:12 PM
It's a two-fold argument though. One I could live with, but not both.

Look at Philly's roster and tell me, even if you concede Favors and Turner are identical in value, taking a SF over a PF/C was a good choice?

Secondly, I think I can make a pretty strong argument, value-wise, Favors has more.

I guess we will see. We all know why Cousins dropped. I think that's justifiable. If he plays, I don't think anyone really doubted he was the best player in the draft (I think as valuable or more so than even Wall) considering how much ability and size he has. Clearly he dropped because people doubted he was coachable.
Dec 20, 2010 11:12pm
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Dec 20, 2010 11:22 PM
Philly picking Turner was definitely a curious move considering who is on their team, but you gotta remember they've been shopping Iggy for the past year or so. Plus they have been using the best available player practice. I'm not saying that he was, just trying to understand the pick.

To me Turner was a safe pick. You had to figure you could pencil him in for 10 pts and 8 boards while being a good leader.

Favors was boom or bust. Never really showed much at GT except for some nice flashes.

Cousins was and continues to be a head case. That's the only reason he fell
Dec 20, 2010 11:22pm
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Dec 21, 2010 3:33 AM
jordo212000;608161 wrote:Turner - 6.3 ppg, 4.5 rebounds per game, 1.8 assists per game
Favors- 6.5 ppg, 5.5 rebounds per game, .1 assists per game

I will give you Cousins, but to this point Favors has been giving the Nets the same type of numbers. Not sure why anybody would think that Turner sucks and at the same time think that Favors is preferable. Turner is a G/F and he is giving you 1 fewer rebound per night than a post player haha.
Dont think Favors couldnt get a few more boards in those 5 minutes that Turner has on him? Favors playing 18 minutes a game and Turner 23.
Dec 21, 2010 3:33am
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Dec 21, 2010 9:11 AM
jordo212000;608854 wrote:To me Turner was a safe pick. You had to figure you could pencil him in for 10 pts and 8 boards while being a good leader.

That's the point most on here are trying to make. Most considered him the safest pick in the draft because he had three years of college and was someone that could do a lot of things well in college. That's why he's been disappointing, because he has proven to not be that safe pick. He's someone that needs to learn how to play in the NBA and that is not what was expected of him. Yes it was expected of Favors and Cousins, but certainly not Turner.

As for his athleticism, he is an average athlete at the NBA level. That's really not even up for debate.
Dec 21, 2010 9:11am
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Dec 21, 2010 9:22 AM
jordo212000;608854 wrote:To me Turner was a safe pick. You had to figure you could pencil him in for 10 pts and 8 boards while being a good leader.

That's the point most on here are trying to make. Most considered him the safest pick in the draft because he had three years of college and was someone that could do a lot of things well in college. That's why he's been disappointing, because he has proven to not be that safe pick. He's someone that needs to learn how to play in the NBA and that is not what was expected of him. Yes it was expected of Favors and Cousins, but certainly not Turner.

As for his athleticism, he is an average athlete at the NBA level. That's really not even up for debate.
Dec 21, 2010 9:22am
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Dec 21, 2010 2:46 PM
I like the Richard Hamilton comparison. Both weren't very athletic coming out of college, both now known for shooting the 3 ball, both not the biggest player, both only played 3 years in college, and both struggled transferring from college to NBA. Let's hope Evan has the same type of success Rip had later on is his career. It is wayyyyyy to early to call him anything.
Dec 21, 2010 2:46pm
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Dec 21, 2010 2:56 PM
it is simple IMO, he is not a Bust as it is very early and he simply is not playing good enough at this time to be getting playing time. He may or may not improve only time will tell.
Dec 21, 2010 2:56pm
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Dec 31, 2010 12:55 AM
Evan Turner with 23 points and 5 rebounds against the Suns.
Dec 31, 2010 12:55am
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Dec 31, 2010 2:38 AM
mallymal614;619146 wrote:Evan Turner with 23 points and 5 rebounds against the Suns.

Well, looks like he's not a bust. One game, 23 points.
Dec 31, 2010 2:38am
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Dec 31, 2010 9:29 AM
mallymal614;619146 wrote:Evan Turner with 23 points and 5 rebounds against the Suns.


Can't believe that Hb31187 didn't report this first. He was always good at reporting Turner's stats on another thread.
Dec 31, 2010 9:29am
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Dec 31, 2010 12:26 PM
Im sure he'll follow it up with a couple 5 point games and maybe a goose egg. Cute that you're thinkin about me though sweetie
Dec 31, 2010 12:26pm
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Dec 31, 2010 12:54 PM
Im sure he'll follow it up with a couple 5 point games
It probably depends on Igoudala's playing time. He was out for the game versus Phoenix.The only stratch of games in which Turner produced at an acceptable level was the games when Igoudala was out.
Dec 31, 2010 12:54pm