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Dec 20, 2010 8:13 AM
He's a buckeye, what did everyone expect.
Dec 20, 2010 8:13am
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Dec 20, 2010 9:48 AM
Azubuike24;607871 wrote: Remember also, Turner is 23. Most players in the NBA Draft anymore are 21 or younger.

I'm not sure how anyone can justify Philadelphia taking Turner over DeMarcus Cousins or Derrick Favors.

This is the biggest point that people seem to ignore. It's one thing to draft a kid that is 19 and draft him based on potential, but it's a lot harder to use that excuse for Turner. He spent three years in college and I honestly think he's close to reaching his full potential.
Dec 20, 2010 9:48am
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Dec 20, 2010 10:02 AM
Early Cuyler;607809 wrote:She was first team all big ten last season dumbass.

Then why does she continually fail to show up in big game after big game?
Dec 20, 2010 10:02am
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Dec 20, 2010 10:09 AM
thedynasty1998;607970 wrote:This is the biggest point that people seem to ignore. It's one thing to draft a kid that is 19 and draft him based on potential, but it's a lot harder to use that excuse for Turner. He spent three years in college and I honestly think he's close to reaching his full potential.

It's pretty clear that most players don't reach their "potential" until their late 20's/early 30's. To suggest a guy that has played 30 games in the league, about 30% of those available minutes has reached his potential is short sighted at best. He isn't lighting anything up but he's barely gotten his feet wet.
Dec 20, 2010 10:09am
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Dec 20, 2010 10:15 AM
ytownfootball;607994 wrote:It's pretty clear that most players don't reach their "potential" until their late 20's/early 30's. To suggest a guy that has played 30 games in the league, about 30% of those available minutes has reached his potential is short sighted at best. He isn't lighting anything up but he's barely gotten his feet wet.

He will get better, but I think you can see what kind of a player he is. He's a tweener, and that wasn't a surprise. He isn't a PG, doesn't shoot well enough or have the quickness to play the 2 and isn't big enough for the 3. He will eventually work himself more into the rotation, but I think it's safe to say that Philadelphia would be disappointed in him.
Dec 20, 2010 10:15am
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Dec 20, 2010 10:20 AM
He's definitely not a good fit in Philly. I agree about a tweener, he'll need to find the right situation to flourish like he did in college. His best hope at becoming relevant is to improve his outside shooting, it can happen but it's not easy imo.
Dec 20, 2010 10:20am
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Dec 20, 2010 10:32 AM
ytownfootball;608004 wrote:He's definitely not a good fit in Philly. I agree about a tweener, he'll need to find the right situation to flourish like he did in college. His best hope at becoming relevant is to improve his outside shooting, it can happen but it's not easy imo.

Completely agree with that, but I just don't think he will ever be a great shooter. He shoots it kind of awkward and shoots a line drive. He wasn't that good of a three point shooter in college and the NBA line is even further.

The one thing I think he has going for him is he seems to be really positive and a hard worker. I think his struggles will only motivate him even more and you can't say that about everyone.
Dec 20, 2010 10:32am
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Dec 20, 2010 10:59 AM
First of all, those saying that ANY player that hasn't even played a half of a season is a bust is laughable and clearly shows your basketball knowledge. Most people thought Chauncy Billups was a huge bust. Some people take some time.

Second of all, what about his game "doesn't translate" to the NBA. I've always loved that term. It's a great word for people who don't know enough about basketball to list the actual reason someone is underperforming to call that person a bust. "Well his game doesn't translate to the NBA.' Did they raise the hoops in the NBA or something?

Turner is a two guard kind of in the mold of a better Anthony Parker. He can't jump out of the gym, but he has above average athletic ability. He's long and tall enough to be a matchup problem in the post for shorter two guards, he has a nice mid range jumper, and he's an excellent rebounder for his position. His outside shot is still a work in progress and has gotten better each of the last few years so there's little doubt it won't continue to improve.

The "problem" with Turner so far is that he's a bad fit in Philly. He's on the same team with a player that's very similar to him and plays the same position in Andre Iguadola. As long as AI2 is on the Sixers, Turner is probably going to struggle a bit. Make no mistake about it though, Turner is going to be a very good NBA player by the time he hits his actual prime which as previously mentioned, is late 20s/early 30s

He's doing WORLDS better than last year's #2 pick Hasheem Thabeet, and I wouldn't even call him a bust yet.
Dec 20, 2010 10:59am
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Dec 20, 2010 12:14 PM
^ Everyone who said that his game "doesn't translate" has already explained why they thought that. Learn to read.

In short, he's a shooting guard that can't shoot and isn't quick enough to beat defenders off the dribble. He needs to handle the ball to be successful but teams aren't going to let him play the point. He's too small to play SF.

Anthony Parker is a good comparison. Anthony Parker is also a role player. Like just about everyone that has posted against Turner has said, Evan Turner can become an above-average role player, but he will never become a star and live up to being the 2nd overall draft pick.

To say that he's only playing bad because Iguodala is a similar player sounds like "a great excuse for people who don't know enough about basketball to list the actual reason someone is underperforming."
Dec 20, 2010 12:14pm
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Dec 20, 2010 12:21 PM
GOONx19;608126 wrote:^ Everyone who said that his game "doesn't translate" has already explained why they thought that. Learn to read.

In short, he's a shooting guard that can't shoot and isn't quick enough to beat defenders off the dribble. He needs to handle the ball to be successful but teams aren't going to let him play the point. He's too small to play SF.

Anthony Parker is a good comparison. Anthony Parker is also a role player. Like just about everyone that has posted against Turner has said, Evan Turner can become an above-average role player, but he will never become a star and live up to being the 2nd overall draft pick.

To say that he's only playing bad because Iguodala is a similar player sounds like "a great excuse for people who don't know enough about basketball to list the actual reason someone is underperforming."

apparently you're the one who didn't read. I did say why Iguodala's presence is holding him back. He's not getting the minutes he would normally get if there wasn't a more seasoned player in front of him who also happens to be the exact same player.

I said a better version of Anthony Parker. Actually Brandon Roy is an even better comparison. I don't understand how you can't say that he's a two or at worst a three. I agree he's not a point guard. You act like he's Zydrunas Ilgauskas out there covering other two guards. Have you actually watched him play this year? He's playing some tough defense against two guards because he has the SIZE and LENGTH to defend that position. He's a little undersized for the three but by about an inch so he could get away with it. He has a nice mid range shot (rare in today's game) and his outside shot is improving.

Sorry if I'm not ready to label someone a bust and say they've hit their peak after a third of a season lol. To say that he'll never be an all star or live up to the number 2 pick based on how he's played after 30 games is both asinine and just plain stupid. Not everyone plays like LeBron from game 1
Dec 20, 2010 12:21pm
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Dec 20, 2010 12:23 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;608049 wrote:Second of all, what about his game "doesn't translate" to the NBA. I've always loved that term. It's a great word for people who don't know enough about basketball to list the actual reason someone is underperforming to call that person a bust.

People who say that is a bad argument don't know anything about basketball.

The NBA is a different game, just as basketball is different overseas. Obviously the NBA has better athletes, but another big thing is that in the NBA it's much harder to get to the rim and finish. Turner made a living getting to the basket in college against smaller defenders. Not only was the guy guarding him usually smaller, but when he got in the paint there were 6'8" posts guarding the rim and he was able to score over/around them.

Now, he has a much bigger player guarding him, he doesn't have the ball in his hands all the time and when he does get in the paint there are 7 footers to protect the rim.

And defensively, you have to be able to play 1-1 defense and Turner really just doesn't have the quickness to do that consistently. Yes, he's long, but he's not as quick as others and with better spacing in the NBA it's much harder to get that help defense.
Dec 20, 2010 12:23pm
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Dec 20, 2010 12:32 PM
First of all, those saying that ANY player that hasn't even played a half of a season is a bust is laughable and clearly shows your basketball knowledge. Most people thought Chauncy Billups was a huge bust. Some people take some time.
Rip Hamilton was the same way, he didn't play up to the 7th draft pick until his 2nd year.
Dec 20, 2010 12:32pm
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Dec 20, 2010 12:33 PM
thedynasty1998;608131 wrote:
And defensively, you have to be able to play 1-1 defense and Turner really just doesn't have the quickness to do that consistently. Yes, he's long, but he's not as quick as others and with better spacing in the NBA it's much harder to get that help defense.

I disagree, he's been a great defender so far. In fact that's why he doesn't shoot that much, he's putting all his effort into defense.
Dec 20, 2010 12:33pm
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Dec 20, 2010 12:41 PM
Skyhook79;608144 wrote:Rip Hamilton was the same way, he didn't play up to the 7th draft pick until his 2nd year.

Exactly....I would be interested to see what would happen to Turner's game if the Sixers do in fact deal Iguadola. I think you'll see steady improvement in his game as the year goes on regardless. I also don't buy the argument that he's not quick enough to defend the two and even if he does it's against the smaller, quicker twos in the league in which case Turner would have the advantage on the other end in the post. He can't get to the rim? He's 6'7''. There are a dozen players shorter than Turner that are among the best in the league at getting to the rim. He struggled getting to the rim when he first got to Columbus as well. But I forgot, If you're not playing at a hall of fame level in your first 30 games you aren't going to be better than a role player/d-leaguer. I don't think that Collins has really given him a role on the team yet. His minutes fluctuate game to game, he IS at his best with the ball in his hands which doesn't happen in Philly, and he has a guy in front of him that plays the same position and is very similar skill set. Like I said, he's WORLDS above last year's number 2 pick Thabeet at this stage in both careers and history has proven that you can evolve as a player from your first season. But hey, a lot of people find any reason they can to hate on Ohio State. I'm sure if Turner played for UCLA there would not be as many people calling him a bust after 30 games.....just sayin'

You look at the two best rookies in the game right now in Griffin and Wall and the offense runs through them for those teams. The offense runs through Iguadola in Philly so Turner isn't really getting the same kind of opportunity.
Dec 20, 2010 12:41pm
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Dec 20, 2010 12:45 PM
Azubuike24;607871 wrote: I'm not sure how anyone can justify Philadelphia taking Turner over DeMarcus Cousins or Derrick Favors.

Turner - 6.3 ppg, 4.5 rebounds per game, 1.8 assists per game
Favors- 6.5 ppg, 5.5 rebounds per game, .1 assists per game

I will give you Cousins, but to this point Favors has been giving the Nets the same type of numbers. Not sure why anybody would think that Turner sucks and at the same time think that Favors is preferable. Turner is a G/F and he is giving you 1 fewer rebound per night than a post player haha.
Dec 20, 2010 12:45pm
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jordo212000;608161 wrote:Turner - 6.3 ppg, 4.5 rebounds per game, 1.8 assists per game
Favors- 6.5 ppg, 5.5 rebounds per game, .1 assists per game

I will give you Cousins, but to this point Favors has been giving the Nets the same type of numbers. Not sure why anybody would think that Turner sucks and at the same time think that Favors is preferable. Turner is a G/F and he is giving you 1 fewer rebound per night than a post player haha.

Lawyered. Well done Jordo
Dec 20, 2010 12:48pm
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Dec 20, 2010 1:24 PM
jordo212000;608161 wrote:Turner - 6.3 ppg, 4.5 rebounds per game, 1.8 assists per game
Favors- 6.5 ppg, 5.5 rebounds per game, .1 assists per game

I will give you Cousins, but to this point Favors has been giving the Nets the same type of numbers. Not sure why anybody would think that Turner sucks and at the same time think that Favors is preferable. Turner is a G/F and he is giving you 1 fewer rebound per night than a post player haha.

Good point. I agree that maybe Favors would've been a better fit in Philly because he's a skilled post player which are harder to come by than skilled wing players (especially when you already have one on your team) but as the stats show, the production doesn't show much of a difference. BTW, I'm not ready to call Favors a bust either. I guess his game just "doesn't translate"
Dec 20, 2010 1:24pm
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Dec 20, 2010 1:29 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;608154 wrote:He's 6'7''. There are a dozen players shorter than Turner that are among the best in the league at getting to the rim. He struggled getting to the rim when he first got to Columbus as well. But I forgot, If you're not playing at a hall of fame level in your first 30 games you aren't going to be better than a role player/d-leaguer..........
Like I said, he's WORLDS above last year's number 2 pick Thabeet at this stage in both careers.....

You look at the two best rookies in the game right now in Griffin and Wall and the offense runs through them for those teams. The offense runs through Iguadola in Philly so Turner isn't really getting the same kind of opportunity.

His height isn't the problem with him getting to the rim, it's his quickness and athleticism. He isn't that good of an athlete to play up and over the 7 footers in the paint. And he's not physical enough to go right at them.

Thabeet was drafted as a high risk/high reward kind of guy because of his size. Turner was supposed to be a "safe" pick. Bad comparison.

Wall is a PG and Griffin is a freak, both are horrible comparisons. Of course the ball is going to be in the PG's hands and when you have a guy who might be the best PF in the NBA today, of course he's going to have the offense go through him.

jordo212000;608161 wrote:Turner - 6.3 ppg, 4.5 rebounds per game, 1.8 assists per game
Favors- 6.5 ppg, 5.5 rebounds per game, .1 assists per game

I will give you Cousins, but to this point Favors has been giving the Nets the same type of numbers. Not sure why anybody would think that Turner sucks and at the same time think that Favors is preferable. Turner is a G/F and he is giving you 1 fewer rebound per night than a post player haha.

Did you read this thread? Turner was in college 3 years, Favors is 19 and Turner is 22. Plus, it takes bigs longer to develop on average.
Dec 20, 2010 1:29pm
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Dec 20, 2010 1:30 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;608210 wrote:I guess his game just "doesn't translate"

No, it does translate. He's just 19 years old. I'm really surprised that you can't comprehend that the NBA is different than college.
Dec 20, 2010 1:30pm
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Dec 20, 2010 2:17 PM
Turner was supposed to be a "safe" pick. Bad comparison.
If all of the Ohio Chater experts knew Rurner's game didn't translate to the NBA, how did all of experts, who make real draft decisions, not see the same/
Dec 20, 2010 2:17pm
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Dec 20, 2010 2:26 PM
thedynasty1998;608215 wrote:His height isn't the problem with him getting to the rim, it's his quickness and athleticism. He isn't that good of an athlete to play up and over the 7 footers in the paint. And he's not physical enough to go right at them.

Thabeet was drafted as a high risk/high reward kind of guy because of his size. Turner was supposed to be a "safe" pick. Bad comparison.

Wall is a PG and Griffin is a freak, both are horrible comparisons. Of course the ball is going to be in the PG's hands and when you have a guy who might be the best PF in the NBA today, of course he's going to have the offense go through him.




Did you read this thread? Turner was in college 3 years, Favors is 19 and Turner is 22. Plus, it takes bigs longer to develop on average.

He's older but they've been playing in the NBA the same amount of time. Since you're so adamant about the NBA and college being different then I can't see how this would be relevant. Ok so he's not physical enough right now. He's a rookie. Believe it or not, there HAVE BEEN players in the NBA that have put on more weight and muscle since their rookie season (although it may be a surprise to you). You're right though....Turner has the athletic ability of Tony Siragusa. It's amazing he can even dunk :rolleyes:

I understand the difference between the college and the NBA. What I'm saying is that Turner has the skills to be a great NBA player but just may need more time actually playing and getting used to the different NBA game (as well as have a defined role on the team). You may be right, he may just end up being a role player or d-league washout. What I'm saying is that it's IMPOSSIBLE to assume that as fact after not even a half of a season of playing.
Dec 20, 2010 2:26pm
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Prescott;608247 wrote:If all of the Ohio Chater experts knew Rurner's game didn't translate to the NBA, how did all of experts, who make real draft decisions, not see the same/

I have no idea. To be honest with you, it's shocking to me that someone thought him worthy of the #2 pick. I still have confidence that he will be a decent pro and will play a long time in the NBA, but I never saw the big time potential some did. He will certainly improve and I think he will settle in at a 13 ppg 8 rebound guy. Nothing spectacular, but certainly a very solid and capable player.
Dec 20, 2010 2:29pm
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Dec 20, 2010 2:31 PM
Lol @ him compared to Brandon Roy and Anthony Parker. Both of which have a 10x better jumper
Dec 20, 2010 2:31pm
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Y-Town Steelhound;608253 wrote:He's older but they've been playing in the NBA the same amount of time. Since you're so adamant about the NBA and college being different then I can't see how this would be relevant. You're right though....Turner has the athletic ability of Tony Siragusa. It's amazing he can even dunk :rolleyes:

I'm really starting to question your logic. A 19 year old one year out of HS is obviously going to be more immature physically and hasn't had the two years of high level coaching. Turner has that. It's common sense, and you can't seem to grasp it.

Turner is an average athlete, at best, by NBA standards. Not sure how you can debate that?
Dec 20, 2010 2:31pm
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Dec 20, 2010 2:33 PM
Hb31187;608258 wrote:Lol @ him compared to Brandon Roy and Anthony Parker. Both of which have a 10x better jumper

Both of which have been in the league more than 30 games...oh that's right. Nobody in the history of the NBA has ever improved anything about their game from the first half of their rookie season.
Dec 20, 2010 2:33pm