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Nov 23, 2010 5:31 PM
His clothing makes him look like an uneducated idiot. I don't give a shit what degrees he has. Dress like an dumbass I will think you are a dumbass.
Nov 23, 2010 5:31pm
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Nov 23, 2010 5:38 PM
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Nov 23, 2010 5:38pm
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Nov 23, 2010 5:55 PM
bLuE_71;572962 wrote:His clothing makes him look like an uneducated idiot. I don't give a shit what degrees he has. Dress like an dumbass I will think you are a dumbass.

Okay, what does a "dumbass" look like? What is the description of a dumbass?

Apparently, someone who grew up in an urban area and who dresses like it, is a dumbass.

What if I said that people who dress like farmers look like uneducated dumbasses? That is a real stereotype, after all.

What if I said that people who dress in suits look like nothing more than mindless corporate stooges, and are therefore dumbasses?

Thousands of people depicted Mrs. Palin as a dumbass purely based on the cultural colloquialisms she used in everyday speech. Was that justified?

No matter how you dress, you look like a dumbass to someone. The key is to show that we ourselves are NOT dumbasses, and the best way to do so is to reason through the fact that someone's clothes say exactly jack shit about whether or not they're smart.

Despite the fact that clothing is something that people can control, it is influenced LARGELY by the culture we live in, and judging someone's mental faculties based on it is no more intelligent than trying to judge someone's mental faculties by skin color, height, weight, social status, or any of several other variables.
Nov 23, 2010 5:55pm
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Nov 23, 2010 6:10 PM
bLuE_71;572962 wrote:His clothing makes him look like an uneducated idiot. I don't give a shit what degrees he has. Dress like an dumbass I will think you are a dumbass.
Dressing up an idiot doesn't make someone smart and intelligent people dressing in ways you don't find appealing doesn't make them stupid.

I only think someone is a dumbass if they act or speak like a dumbass. If someone dresses in a manner that I think is stupid then I'll think they have poor taste, not low intelligence.
Nov 23, 2010 6:10pm
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Nov 23, 2010 6:15 PM
O-Trap;572874 wrote:He's got a doctorate, and he's one of the people in the world I admire most.

Truth is, saying someone "looks like a (insert any non-physical attribute-focused noun)" is an ignorant statement. Being less intelligent doesn't keep you from being dressed well, and being VERY intelligent doesn't exclude you from dressing to fit the subculture around you.

Clothing is culture-based, not IQ-based.

Where did he graduate from and what's his degree in? Just curious.
Nov 23, 2010 6:15pm
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Nov 23, 2010 10:26 PM
said_aouita;573023 wrote:Where did he graduate from and what's his degree in? Just curious.

I had to ask, and I stand corrected. He isn't finished with it yet. However, he's pursuing his doctorate from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. He's the pastor of an inner city church. His name is Will Branch, but he's known by his stage name "The Ambassador." He's been a Christian hip-hop musician for over 10 years, and has always been a very studious man with an above average vocabulary and a well-rounded education (not your typical "Bible-only" education for a pastor). I met him in 2006, and we speak from time to time still.

Here's some of his recent work. Again, it's about the culture. His entire job/ministry/life is engulfed in bettering his local community holistically, so he doesn't concern himself with what the upper crust of society think of how he looks. He is who he is, because to try to change and dress like something else would chop the legs out from under who he is and what he's about.

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Nov 23, 2010 10:26pm
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Nov 23, 2010 11:38 PM
So he's a rapper? How is this even an argument................................
Nov 23, 2010 11:38pm
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Nov 23, 2010 11:41 PM
What's wrong with that?

Again, he's appealing to the culture.

Is it some sort of magic trick that automatically ups or downs your IQ based on what you're wearing? Would he somehow be magically more intelligent if he started singing opera?

Are you that simple to actually believe that those things affect or are any measure of someone's intelligence?

Next time I see someone who is 55 years old or older, I'm going to assume they're too dumb to use a computer. That's acceptable, then, right? I mean, since we're sticking our head in the ground and blindly accepting overgeneralized stereotypes and all.
Nov 23, 2010 11:41pm
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Nov 23, 2010 11:48 PM
O-Trap;573415 wrote:What's wrong with that?

Again, he's appealing to the culture.

Is it some sort of magic trick that automatically ups or downs your IQ based on what you're wearing? Would he somehow be magically more intelligent if he started singing opera?

Are you that simple to actually believe that those things affect or are any measure of someone's intelligence?

obviously blue is one of those older generation retards who think doing things like the 50's and 60's is correct...just ignore him, although you had me stop reading after I read christian ;)
Nov 23, 2010 11:48pm
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Nov 24, 2010 12:44 AM
bLuE_71;573408 wrote:So he's a rapper? How is this even an argument................................

Well, I guess it isn't...if you're the sort of close-minded ignorant person who broadly stereotypes people for random cultural reasons. Because, you know, there's NEVER been a musical artist who's used the medium of rap to deliver any message other than bitches, blunts and bullets. The Internet doesn't have enough facepalm pics for this thread...
Nov 24, 2010 12:44am
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Nov 24, 2010 2:17 AM
O-Trap;573415 wrote:What's wrong with that?

Again, he's appealing to the culture.

Is it some sort of magic trick that automatically ups or downs your IQ based on what you're wearing? Would he somehow be magically more intelligent if he started singing opera?

Are you that simple to actually believe that those things affect or are any measure of someone's intelligence?

Next time I see someone who is 55 years old or older, I'm going to assume they're too dumb to use a computer. That's acceptable, then, right? I mean, since we're sticking our head in the ground and blindly accepting overgeneralized stereotypes and all.

In principle I agree with what you are saying. In reality this just isn't the case. When you go to a job interview, how do you dress? You dress in the manner that makes you appear the most intelligent and qualified for the position you are applying for.

When you do not know some one personally outward perception is reality. Its human nature. That is all some are saying here. Next time you go to a job interview try dressing down. T-Shirt and jeans should be sufficient. Display your tats if you have them. The reality is you will be toast no matter how intelligent you are.

I would not call people simple because they judged people by their appearance when they do not know them personally. Stereotyping is not always wrong. Sometimes (wrong or right) its just playing the odds. Whether it is an employer or an individual it is what it is. It is reality.
Nov 24, 2010 2:17am
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Nov 24, 2010 2:38 AM
I understand where you are coming from with your response but how many people dress like they are going to a job interview every day? Stereotyping in my opinion is wrong. I had a disagreement with a former boss on perceptions. This guy was so hung up on what peoples perceptions were regarding him and other people. I informed him that I really could care less what someones perception is of me if they have not taken the opportunity to know me and also look at my work. He then proceeded to tell me that "perception is reality". I told him that it is their reality and not what is actually real. After going around and around with this guy I told him that the reason that I could give two shits about someones perception of me is the fact that I am a black man and there are so many false truths, bad perceptions, and stereotypes about me that if I cared about them I would lose my mind. But I am a firm believer in that you should dress for success and I tell a lot of kids that it is ok to have your "street clothes". But wear a shirt and tie for an interview:D
Nov 24, 2010 2:38am
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Nov 24, 2010 9:50 AM
majorspark;573560 wrote:In principle I agree with what you are saying. In reality this just isn't the case. When you go to a job interview, how do you dress? You dress in the manner that makes you appear the most intelligent and qualified for the position you are applying for.
More intelligent? I certainly don't think so. Able to be professional? Sure, for an interview. However, if someone dressed differently on their personal time, it wouldn't change how intelligent they appear, at least not to me.
majorspark;573560 wrote:When you do not know some one personally outward perception is reality. Its human nature. That is all some are saying here. Next time you go to a job interview try dressing down. T-Shirt and jeans should be sufficient. Display your tats if you have them. The reality is you will be toast no matter how intelligent you are.
Oh I agree. However, that is more to do with professionalism, not intelligence.

My tattoo would be difficult to show. It's across my shoulders. The reason I chose it there was for the purpose of professionalism.
majorspark;573560 wrote:I would not call people simple because they judged people by their appearance when they do not know them personally. Stereotyping is not always wrong. Sometimes (wrong or right) its just playing the odds. Whether it is an employer or an individual it is what it is. It is reality.

It's sometimes unintentional, but it's always an unjust assumption if it stems from an oft incorrect stereotype.

I moved into North Hill about a year ago, and a LOT of the teens I work with are VERY bright, articulate, and are surprisingly good critical thinkers. However, based on the subcultural norms here, they dress in much the way depicted above. It has NOTHING to do with their intelligence and EVERYTHING to do with where they've grown up. It's no difference than seeing a kid wearing a hunting ballcap, a T-shirt, Wranglers, and steel-toe boots. No different than seeing a kid wearing designer sweaters and jeans.

It's different, sure, but all it means is that they grew up adopting a certain view of what was "cool." Nothing to do with their intelligence, attitude, behavior, home life, grades, or personality.

I know it's a common stereotype, which is why I was trying to bite my tongue for a bit, but it irks me when people seem to prefer burying their heads in the sand and continuing to accept their blind stereotype instead of learning to accept a new element of their fellow man.
rmolin73;573574 wrote:I understand where you are coming from with your response but how many people dress like they are going to a job interview every day? Stereotyping in my opinion is wrong. I had a disagreement with a former boss on perceptions. This guy was so hung up on what peoples perceptions were regarding him and other people. I informed him that I really could care less what someones perception is of me if they have not taken the opportunity to know me and also look at my work. He then proceeded to tell me that "perception is reality". I told him that it is their reality and not what is actually real. After going around and around with this guy I told him that the reason that I could give two shits about someones perception of me is the fact that I am a black man and there are so many false truths, bad perceptions, and stereotypes about me that if I cared about them I would lose my mind. But I am a firm believer in that you should dress for success and I tell a lot of kids that it is ok to have your "street clothes". But wear a shirt and tie for an interview:D

Yep, and I have been helping some of these kids do just that as they get old enough to hold their first jobs.
Nov 24, 2010 9:50am
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Nov 24, 2010 10:14 AM
DeyDurkie5;573428 wrote:obviously blue is one of those older generation retards who think doing things like the 50's and 60's is correct...just ignore him, although you had me stop reading after I read christian ;)

I'm 28. If I saw this guy out though I would think "thug" LOL. I'm sorry but if you dress like this I think it ruins your credibility. Maybe I'm closed minded but so be it.
Nov 24, 2010 10:14am
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Nov 24, 2010 10:41 AM
O-Trap;573692 wrote:I know it's a common stereotype, which is why I was trying to bite my tongue for a bit, but it irks me when people seem to prefer burying their heads in the sand and continuing to accept their blind stereotype instead of learning to accept a new element of their fellow man.
bLuE_71;573727 wrote:I'm 28. If I saw this guy out though I would think "thug" LOL. I'm sorry but if you dress like this I think it ruins your credibility. Maybe I'm closed minded but so be it.

That is the rub right there.
Nov 24, 2010 10:41am
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Nov 24, 2010 11:00 AM
Here's another, just for fun.



He owns a large multinational marketing company. :D
Nov 24, 2010 11:00am
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Nov 24, 2010 12:56 PM
bLuE_71;573727 wrote:I'm 28. If I saw this guy out though I would think "thug" LOL. I'm sorry but if you dress like this I think it ruins your credibility. Maybe I'm closed minded but so be it.

yes that makes you close minded, too each their own though..enjoy
Nov 24, 2010 12:56pm
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Nov 24, 2010 1:06 PM
A lot of people in this thread are dumbasses and I'm definitely not basing it on how they look, just the stupid shit that is being typed on their keyboards.
Nov 24, 2010 1:06pm
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Nov 24, 2010 1:14 PM
A new element of man is to dress like morons? Oh I do durkie. Living my life just fine.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone including the thugs.
Nov 24, 2010 1:14pm
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Nov 24, 2010 1:21 PM
bLuE_71;574021 wrote:A new element of man is to dress like morons?

The moron is the person who attributes any appearance of intelligence to clothing preference.

Do you ever wear your hat backwards? Then you dress like a moron (to some).

Do you wear your pants below your navel? Then you dress like a moron (to some).

Do you ever leave your shirt untucked? Then you dress like a moron (to some).

Do people have a right to treat you like a moron because of how YOU dress? Of course not, because they're incorrect (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, even though this discussion hasn't been a shining example of reasoning or logic from you.).

They aren't dressing like morons. They're dressing like they're from a different location than you. If you can't tell the difference, then this might be an example of a moron telling others they LOOK like morons.

I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, and if you wish to bury your head in ignorant bliss, I can't stop you, but that's the truth.
Nov 24, 2010 1:21pm
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Nov 24, 2010 1:22 PM
The only way you can judge a person is by the things they do and the things they say. Choosing and acting to dress certain ways are reflective of your thoughts and who you are.

We can't truly judge a person's thoughts only* those that are acted upon.
Nov 24, 2010 1:22pm
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Nov 24, 2010 1:27 PM
I don't treat anyone differently. My opinion to myself though is that if you want to look like that then I might start to wonder.

I already said that it might be closed minded I don't need a lecture.

Different location? What different locations are we speaking of? Do people of african decent here in the US wear traditional african garbs? Then I could see your point.

What location is the pants hanging off your ass and too big of shirts people live in?
Nov 24, 2010 1:27pm
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Nov 24, 2010 2:02 PM
LOL at thinking someone's less than you because of how they dress.

bLuE is officially a man perpetually trapped in high school.
Nov 24, 2010 2:02pm
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Nov 24, 2010 2:33 PM
After posting the question, I didn't expect this huge of response haha.

I didn't post an opinion on the matter, but I wonder if the ratio of arrests made correlate with the fear of race?

This could be wrong, but I remember seeing a statistic done with a .gov website in high school that 1% of Caucasians, 3% of Hispanics, and 12% of African American males are currently in prison. I wish I could find this link. I wonder if subconsciously people are fearful of a greater chance of something happening solely based on the statistical probability?

In any other subject, anyone could use this data to make decisions. Say you are in vegas and you were playing slot machines. If 1 slot machine had a 1% chance of winning, the 2nd had a 3% chance, and the 3rd had a 12% chance, would that affect your feelings of which to play?

Obviously the analogy is not the same, but maybe it's something more than "racism" .. But maybe not.
Just food for thought.
Nov 24, 2010 2:33pm
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Nov 24, 2010 2:49 PM
j_crazy;574106 wrote:LOL at thinking someone's less than you because of how they dress.

bLuE is officially a man perpetually trapped in high school.

I never said less than me. I just think that it looks stupid therefore I think that they are probably stupid.
Nov 24, 2010 2:49pm