sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Aug 4, 2011 11:56pm
BlueJ;851116 wrote:No one really answered my question, at least Big Red tried. It's really easy to make baseless accusations behind a computer persona. Just wondering. Went to St. Johns my entire life, always heard the accusations. It was funny though the only people who we heard complain were from losing programs. Never heard the fans from Marion Local or Coldwater say anything. I guess the only part that bothers me about the accusations is that when we win it's because we recruit, but Marion Local a public school that has had about as much success as we have had the past decade gets all the credit while we are cheaters, but like I said we have some really great people in our conference that support us. I don't really care what people who never have been to Delphos really think. I went to the school, I know what happens, good enough for me.
This is essentially what the parochial school backers have been saying for almost 2400 posts on this thread. Be careful, I'm sure skank will hate you now, and I guess our "group" is going to have to be called the Parochial 8 now...right skank?
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Rocket08
Posts: 645
Aug 5, 2011 8:00am
sherm
I don't think you need to worry about the "Parochial 8"
The dude can't count that high
P.S. Happy Birthday!!
I don't think you need to worry about the "Parochial 8"
The dude can't count that high
P.S. Happy Birthday!!
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Aug 5, 2011 8:56am
Rocket08;852236 wrote:sherm
I don't think you need to worry about the "Parochial 8"
The dude can't count that high
P.S. Happy Birthday!!
Thanks Rocket. Rumor is you're going to be in the 513 next week. You gonna stop on over and see the casa?
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Dean Wormer
Posts: 333
Aug 5, 2011 10:02am
You have enough people in the 513 this week. Sorry I won't be one of them.sherm03;852255 wrote:Thanks Rocket. Rumor is you're going to be in the 513 next week. You gonna stop on over and see the casa?
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Thinthickbigred
Posts: 4,148
Aug 5, 2011 10:31am
Rocket08;851004 wrote:You're in denial
Luckily, no one, except maybe skunk pays any attention to you
P.S. Nice clean, crisp, well presented post (until you started typing)
Well this page is 96 pages now and 78 people agree with me so far
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Rocket08
Posts: 645
Aug 5, 2011 11:43am
No, Skunk agreed with you 78 times.
It's not the same thing
It's not the same thing
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Aug 5, 2011 4:39pm
Dean Wormer;852313 wrote:You have enough people in the 513 this week. Sorry I won't be one of them.
Would have been awesome if you were coming down Dean. We could have met up and had a few cold ones and discussed the upcoming season.
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Thinthickbigred
Posts: 4,148
Aug 5, 2011 7:17pm
Rocket08;852390 wrote:No, Skunk agreed with you 78 times.
It's not the same thing
If I knew you could vote more than once Id have voted 500 times in favor
coyotes22
Posts: 11,298
Aug 5, 2011 10:04pm
sherm03;852687 wrote:Would have been awesome if you were coming down Dean. We could have met up and had a few cold ones and discussed the upcoming recruiting season.
FIFY
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Aug 5, 2011 10:27pm
coyotes22;852931 wrote:FIFY
You cracked the code! It actually would have been "traded notes on the stud third graders we've been scouting."
coyotes22
Posts: 11,298
Aug 5, 2011 10:33pm
sherm03;852976 wrote:You cracked the code! It actually would have been "traded notes on the stud third graders we've been scouting."
Speaking of third graders, the gang of 8 has been quite quiet as of late.
skank
Posts: 6,543
Aug 5, 2011 10:43pm
Rocket08;852390 wrote:No, Skunk agreed with you 78 times.
It's not the same thing
You have issues, I suggest you spend a little one on one time with your Priest....Or maybe that's the reason for your issues?
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Aug 6, 2011 8:50am
We must be private now? Sylvania Southview hit with 2 years probation and a $500 fine for violating OHSAA rule 4-9-1 recruiting.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Aug 6, 2011 9:00am
Thinthickbigred;852787 wrote:If I knew you could vote more than once Id have voted 500 times in favor
Crooked elections is how you Roll Red Roll.
skank
Posts: 6,543
Aug 6, 2011 9:11am
Hey molin, I believe this explains your adamant defense of these parochial cheaters.
READ MORE:
High schools accept penalties
'Lack of awareness' led to infractions
BY STEVE JUNGA
BLADE SPORTS WRITER
Rieger
It may have been overzealous competition for future athletes, or simply a couple of errors attributed to a misunderstanding of athletic bylaws.
But the actions of the football programs at both Sylvania high schools — Southview and Northview — were each ruled to be in violation of Ohio High School Athletic Association bylaws dealing with recruiting incoming high school student-athletes.
Dr. Brad Rieger, superintendent of Sylvania Schools, was forthcoming in acknowledging the violations Friday. He vowed to have his district accept responsibility for the wrongdoings, and use the OHSAA rulings as a learning experience to grow from.
“I’ve had meetings with the principals, athletic directors and coaches at both schools and basically said, ‘We have to get our house in order,’ “ Rieger said. “That means we have to learn from this and make sure we are following the letter and spirit of the OHSAA bylaws.
“I asked the OHSAA to send a trainer to us so that they can provide a comprehensive overview, and train our administrators and coaches about recruiting issues, about off-season workouts, about mandatory no-contact periods and other relevant topics.”
The state high school athletic governing body regulates and administers interscholastic athletic competition.
Sylvania has three junior high schools — Arbor Hills, McCord, and Timberstone — which feed into Northview and Southview high schools based on defined geographical districts. A large majority of Timberstone’s enrollment feeds into Southview, while significant percentages of McCord and Arbor Hills are split between the two high school districts.
Mayzes
Each February, however, the district also approves open enrollment requests made by students who wish to attend the high school outside of their geographical district.
The Southview and Northview violations were each linked to these geographical districts and the open enrollment policy.
Veteran Southview head coach Jim Mayzes was ruled to be in violation of OHSAA Bylaw 4-9-1 on recruiting because of contact he made with an eighth grade student at McCord Junior High.
That violation came with a two-year probation for the Southview football program, and a fine of $500. Any further recruiting violations during the period of probation will cause Southview to lose its opportunity to participate in the OHSAA’s postseason playoffs, and possibly further sanctions.
Northview athletic director Chris Irwin was found to be in violation of OHSAA Bylaw 4-9-2, Exception 1, on recruiting. Irwin’s infraction was providing recently hired head football coach Marek Moldawsky with a list of students who lived in the designated Northview attendance area while attending Timberstone. Those students had been approved by Sylvania schools, via open enrollment, to attend Southview entering the ninth grade.
The inferred intent was that Moldawsky would make contact with these students in an attempt to persuade them to stay within their district and attend Northview.
This violation came only with a warning from the OHSAA, which issued no participation ban, probation period or fine. The open-enrollment students in question will attend Southview.
“The first [violation] against Southview was a complaint filed by a Northview assistant football coach,” said Rieger, who identified that coach as Dan Dubiel.
“The infraction at Northview came to light through our student services office that deals with open enrollment and registration.
“Through conversations with some parents, and after we started talking about this, we discovered that some things could be problematic. We discovered that one ourselves.”
Rieger confirmed that the internal investigation on Mayzes, which was conducted by Robert Verhelst, director of student services for Sylvania Schools, concluded that no violation had occurred based on the district’s policies.
Marek Moldawsky
Rieger said that the OHSAA, in a June 7 letter from associate commissioner Deborah Moore, disagreed with that assessment and advised the district of the bylaw violation and its related penalty.
Irwin’s infraction was reported to the OHSAA directly by the district. OHSAA informed Sylvania Schools of Northview’s violation in a July 13 letter from Moore.
“The kids that Chris Irwin knew about were kids who were living in the Northview attendance area and who had put in for open enrollment,” Rieger said.
“He made the suggestion to the football coach, Marek Moldawsky, to ‘see if you can get these kids to stay,’ thinking that it was OK to basically try to keep your own kids. That was the rationale.
“We asked Chris if he did that and he said, ‘Yes, because I wanted to try to keep our kids at Northview.’ He freely admitted it.”
The superintendent labeled both infractions as having stemmed from a “lack of awareness.”
“But that’s not an excuse in my book,” Rieger said, “for the Southview program or the Northview program.
“When the school district says in February that a kid is good to go to Southview, then Northview should be hands off.”
The school district will not be taking any further disciplinary action against Mayzes or Irwin, according to Rieger, who said the future emphasis would be on preventing such violations.
“The bottom line is that there are some parameters in place for coaches as far as what they can and can’t do in talking to seventh and eighth graders,” Rieger said. “For kids living in the Southview attendance area, all [Southview] high school coaches can have conversations with those kids. But, if they don’t live in that area, you can’t talk to them. Both programs kind of crossed over that barrier.”
Mayzes acknowledged he spoke to the student in question on two occasions, the first during basketball season when the boy was conversing with [Mayzes’] daughter after a McCord game, and the second time prior to a Northview-Southview basketball game.
On each occasion, Mayzes said the extent of his conversation was asking the boy where he would be attending high school.
“The state has some very strict rules about speaking to people from other school systems that are very difficult to follow in Sylvania when the lines for schools cross over so much,” Mayzes said. “It’s hard to know which kid is which when there’s no ‘S’ or ‘N’ on their forehead when you say hello to somebody.”
Rieger’s hope is that understanding such things will become crystal clear in the future.
“We have to make sure that athletic directors and all of our coaches understand what the bylaws are for recruiting as they pertain to a school district like ours with two high schools,” he said. “There are some nuances to that because we have two high schools. We have to make sure that everyone knows what those [nuances] are. We are one school district and these are all Sylvania kids. We can’t poach from each other. You can be very proud of and enthusiastic about your program, and you can want kids to come and be a part of it. But we can’t undercut each other at the two high schools, so that’s what’s going to stop.”
READ MORE:
High schools accept penalties
'Lack of awareness' led to infractions
BY STEVE JUNGA
BLADE SPORTS WRITER
Rieger
It may have been overzealous competition for future athletes, or simply a couple of errors attributed to a misunderstanding of athletic bylaws.
But the actions of the football programs at both Sylvania high schools — Southview and Northview — were each ruled to be in violation of Ohio High School Athletic Association bylaws dealing with recruiting incoming high school student-athletes.
Dr. Brad Rieger, superintendent of Sylvania Schools, was forthcoming in acknowledging the violations Friday. He vowed to have his district accept responsibility for the wrongdoings, and use the OHSAA rulings as a learning experience to grow from.
“I’ve had meetings with the principals, athletic directors and coaches at both schools and basically said, ‘We have to get our house in order,’ “ Rieger said. “That means we have to learn from this and make sure we are following the letter and spirit of the OHSAA bylaws.
“I asked the OHSAA to send a trainer to us so that they can provide a comprehensive overview, and train our administrators and coaches about recruiting issues, about off-season workouts, about mandatory no-contact periods and other relevant topics.”
The state high school athletic governing body regulates and administers interscholastic athletic competition.
Sylvania has three junior high schools — Arbor Hills, McCord, and Timberstone — which feed into Northview and Southview high schools based on defined geographical districts. A large majority of Timberstone’s enrollment feeds into Southview, while significant percentages of McCord and Arbor Hills are split between the two high school districts.
Mayzes
Each February, however, the district also approves open enrollment requests made by students who wish to attend the high school outside of their geographical district.
The Southview and Northview violations were each linked to these geographical districts and the open enrollment policy.
Veteran Southview head coach Jim Mayzes was ruled to be in violation of OHSAA Bylaw 4-9-1 on recruiting because of contact he made with an eighth grade student at McCord Junior High.
That violation came with a two-year probation for the Southview football program, and a fine of $500. Any further recruiting violations during the period of probation will cause Southview to lose its opportunity to participate in the OHSAA’s postseason playoffs, and possibly further sanctions.
Northview athletic director Chris Irwin was found to be in violation of OHSAA Bylaw 4-9-2, Exception 1, on recruiting. Irwin’s infraction was providing recently hired head football coach Marek Moldawsky with a list of students who lived in the designated Northview attendance area while attending Timberstone. Those students had been approved by Sylvania schools, via open enrollment, to attend Southview entering the ninth grade.
The inferred intent was that Moldawsky would make contact with these students in an attempt to persuade them to stay within their district and attend Northview.
This violation came only with a warning from the OHSAA, which issued no participation ban, probation period or fine. The open-enrollment students in question will attend Southview.
“The first [violation] against Southview was a complaint filed by a Northview assistant football coach,” said Rieger, who identified that coach as Dan Dubiel.
“The infraction at Northview came to light through our student services office that deals with open enrollment and registration.
“Through conversations with some parents, and after we started talking about this, we discovered that some things could be problematic. We discovered that one ourselves.”
Rieger confirmed that the internal investigation on Mayzes, which was conducted by Robert Verhelst, director of student services for Sylvania Schools, concluded that no violation had occurred based on the district’s policies.
Marek Moldawsky
Rieger said that the OHSAA, in a June 7 letter from associate commissioner Deborah Moore, disagreed with that assessment and advised the district of the bylaw violation and its related penalty.
Irwin’s infraction was reported to the OHSAA directly by the district. OHSAA informed Sylvania Schools of Northview’s violation in a July 13 letter from Moore.
“The kids that Chris Irwin knew about were kids who were living in the Northview attendance area and who had put in for open enrollment,” Rieger said.
“He made the suggestion to the football coach, Marek Moldawsky, to ‘see if you can get these kids to stay,’ thinking that it was OK to basically try to keep your own kids. That was the rationale.
“We asked Chris if he did that and he said, ‘Yes, because I wanted to try to keep our kids at Northview.’ He freely admitted it.”
The superintendent labeled both infractions as having stemmed from a “lack of awareness.”
“But that’s not an excuse in my book,” Rieger said, “for the Southview program or the Northview program.
“When the school district says in February that a kid is good to go to Southview, then Northview should be hands off.”
The school district will not be taking any further disciplinary action against Mayzes or Irwin, according to Rieger, who said the future emphasis would be on preventing such violations.
“The bottom line is that there are some parameters in place for coaches as far as what they can and can’t do in talking to seventh and eighth graders,” Rieger said. “For kids living in the Southview attendance area, all [Southview] high school coaches can have conversations with those kids. But, if they don’t live in that area, you can’t talk to them. Both programs kind of crossed over that barrier.”
Mayzes acknowledged he spoke to the student in question on two occasions, the first during basketball season when the boy was conversing with [Mayzes’] daughter after a McCord game, and the second time prior to a Northview-Southview basketball game.
On each occasion, Mayzes said the extent of his conversation was asking the boy where he would be attending high school.
“The state has some very strict rules about speaking to people from other school systems that are very difficult to follow in Sylvania when the lines for schools cross over so much,” Mayzes said. “It’s hard to know which kid is which when there’s no ‘S’ or ‘N’ on their forehead when you say hello to somebody.”
Rieger’s hope is that understanding such things will become crystal clear in the future.
“We have to make sure that athletic directors and all of our coaches understand what the bylaws are for recruiting as they pertain to a school district like ours with two high schools,” he said. “There are some nuances to that because we have two high schools. We have to make sure that everyone knows what those [nuances] are. We are one school district and these are all Sylvania kids. We can’t poach from each other. You can be very proud of and enthusiastic about your program, and you can want kids to come and be a part of it. But we can’t undercut each other at the two high schools, so that’s what’s going to stop.”
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Rocket08
Posts: 645
Aug 6, 2011 10:20am
So, if I've read this correctly, (and Skank I can help you on this), Sylvania Schools were "recruiting" kids from their own system.
This is actually different then what Massillon was found guilty of by the OHSAA, which was actively enticing kids from other districts to come to Massillon schools for their "exceptional education"
This is actually different then what Massillon was found guilty of by the OHSAA, which was actively enticing kids from other districts to come to Massillon schools for their "exceptional education"
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Aug 6, 2011 3:22pm
Yeah Rocket08 we were hit for our own kids.
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Thinthickbigred
Posts: 4,148
Aug 6, 2011 5:57pm
queencitybuckeye;853218 wrote:Crooked elections is how you Roll Red Roll.
lol i was replying to the dumb comment made to me saying one person voted 78 times to begin with
We need to eliminate the scurge that cheats our public schools ..I say get rid of you guys I dont want you around go be by yourselves and then all those protostant boys will come back home and you will all be broke lol
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Aug 6, 2011 7:52pm
Please, please take an English class. You need to eliminate the scourge that robbed you of a quality education.
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Rocket08
Posts: 645
Aug 6, 2011 7:55pm
First thing, learn how to spell, you look like an idiot
Second those "protostant" boys aren't yours
Luckily, everyone has a choice. Tough for you, but that's the way it is
Second those "protostant" boys aren't yours
Luckily, everyone has a choice. Tough for you, but that's the way it is
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Aug 6, 2011 7:59pm
Thinthickbigred;853544 wrote:lol i was replying to the dumb comment made to me saying one person voted 78 times to begin with
We need to eliminate the scurge that cheats our public schools ..I say get rid of you guys I dont want you around go be by yourselves and then all those protostant boys will come back home and you will all be broke lol
Oh, the irony.
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aged jock
Posts: 94
Aug 7, 2011 1:49pm
coyotes22;852979 wrote:Speaking of third graders, the gang of 8 has been quite quiet as of late.
Only because ignorance can be cured, but stupid is forever.
coyotes22
Posts: 11,298
Aug 7, 2011 9:16pm
aged jock;854133 wrote:Only because ignorance can be cured, but stupid is forever.
O thats a good one! Can I use that?
skank
Posts: 6,543
Aug 8, 2011 12:14pm
rmolin73;853594 wrote:Please, please take an English class. You need to eliminate the scourge that robbed you of a quality education.
If you decide to take THIS advice TT84, I know of an English Major that would be willing to help you....Provided you bring some Steubenville boys over to Mooney.
skank
Posts: 6,543
Aug 8, 2011 12:20pm
Rocket08;853595 wrote:First thing, learn how to spell, you look like an idiot
Second those "protostant" boys aren't yours
Luckily, everyone has a choice. Tough for you, but that's the way it is
All those sentences and only one period?
You know....I'm beginning to think you were pulling my leg about being an English Major.