elbuckeye28;547393 wrote:There was a lot of talk that just a few weeks ago that things have been turned around NOW for Michigan. Now you're saying wait for 2012. I mean you're putting a lot of faith on a product to get better that has been subpar thus far.
Actually RRod had some good defenses during his RR years. I can dig up stats if you'd like.centralbucksfan;547399 wrote:Ill defense was NOT near as bad as UM. I have been around a LONG time...I am not sure I have seen a defense as bad as UM on the season. Offense looked great today. They kept "pace". But that isn't going to get you consistant wins. Matter of time? Thats a matter of opinion. Nobody really knows. RichRod has never had outstanding defenses overall. I wouldn't be too optimistic thats going to change. And it certainly wont' change in just one or two seasons.
fixedWebFire;547413 wrote:Actually RRod had some good defenses during his WVU years. I can dig up stats if you'd like.
centralbucksfan;547399 wrote:Ill defense was NOT near as bad as UM. I have been around a LONG time...I am not sure I have seen a defense as bad as UM on the season. Offense looked great today. They kept "pace". But that isn't going to get you consistant wins. Matter of time? Thats a matter of opinion. Nobody really knows. RichRod has never had outstanding defenses overall. I wouldn't be too optimistic thats going to change. And it certainly wont' change in just one or two seasons.
I rest my case.bigkahuna;547480 wrote: BUT, Great Win for Michigan....
Hb31187;547595 wrote:You're trying to tell me that with a average defense, this offense wouldnt give a team consistent wins? Serious?
Lol knew somebody would be along to take a shot at Michigans offense
centralbucksfan;547627 wrote:Oh chill the fuck out. You guys just beat freaking ILL...not Oregon! Yes, an avg. defense and this offense would win some games. But you have to remember...its the flow of a game, its playing from behind, etc, etc. If you think this offense is going to score 60pts a game, your crazy. UM is giving up an avg of 450yds a game!! You won't just fix that overnite. Robinson will be gone, then a new DCord will come in..then the learning curve starts again. No spin here..its just comical..you just beat freaking Ill. Lets not act like you just beat OSU or someone better.
se-alum;547723 wrote:I doubt this game plays much of a role in RR keeping his job.
I don't think RR will hire a D-coord that does not run the 3-3-5, that is his defense of preferenceHb31187;547637 wrote:Im completely calm? I didnt capitalize anything, insult you, nothing.
The offense woudlnt score 60 a game no...but its been pretty consistent in putting up yards and points this year week in and out. Im not saying that it would be an overnight change on D, but Illini was pretty horrid last year on D(not as bad as Mich) they hire a D coordinator and for most of the season they were solid. And if they bring in a new D coordinator this spring and implement some type of a simple base 4-3 defense(which most kids have been playing since they were 6) it would be leaps and bounds better than this 3-3-5 lets back everyone 30 yards off and allow them to pick us apart defense.
got a LONG way to go for this to happen, but I think Moeller would be a good hire.Trueblue23;547751 wrote: ....and another Top 15 recruiting class !!!
I disagree, I think he should get a contract extension.se-alum;547723 wrote:I doubt this game plays much of a role in RR keeping his job.
They can fire whoever they want but coaching can only do so much. Look at Monte Kiffin with USC's defense. If the athletes aren't there, coaching is not going to make them good all of a sudden.Trueblue23;547751 wrote:I agree.. because he's already secured his place at Michigan next year.
The offense has Ann Arbor excited, the NCAA cut him a break, and Greg Robinson will be the scape goat for RichRod and Michigan (rightfully so).
Coach Rod will be back next year with a new defensive coordinator (Gary Moeller rumors) and another Top 15 recruiting class, and Michigan will continue to improve. GO BLUE!!!
elbuckeye28;548048 wrote:They can fire whoever they want but coaching can only do so much. Look at Monte Kiffin with USC's defense. If the athletes aren't there, coaching is not going to make them good all of a sudden.
Hb31187;548062 wrote:Look at Illinois from last year to this year and tell me a coordinator doesnt make a difference
You rest your case? Like others have said it was the way the game was won. Someone else said on the storming the field thread that it would be warranted if an epic game occurred and gave the example of OSU beating Minnesota in 10 OTs.vball10set;547598 wrote:I rest my case.
btw, did you run out onto the field too?? :rolleyes:
WebFire;548252 wrote:I am really questioning the defensive staffs ability to evaluate talent and put guys in the right positions. 2 examples:
1. Kenny Demens. The guys is a beast. He is going to be a helluva football player at Michigan. Why in the hell Ezeh was even seeing the field with this guy on the roster is almost mind boggling.
2. Playing Roh at LB. Roh had to finally speak up and tell the staff he needs to be at DE. They listened and he was so much more effective. This kid is good, but not at LB.
I say wipe out the D staff, get a DC and let him run his defense. I don't care what defense RR wants to run, he doesn't coach the defense. Let the DC do his job.
LJ;548471 wrote:But that is the kind of coach that RR is. I mean, that's just him. He has always had final control over the defense, and I really don't see him changing
WebFire;548485 wrote:I agree and disagree. Yes RR is responsible for the final say. But he does offense, not defense. So it is his job to find a DC who can take control of the defense and evaluate that talent. If he can do that, he'll be successful.