Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Sep 26, 2010 3:06pm
1.Robinson
2.Ingram
3.Moore
4.Peterson
5.Pryor
2.Ingram
3.Moore
4.Peterson
5.Pryor
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Sep 26, 2010 8:30pm
krambman;497495 wrote:After today I still have Robinson #1 (4/4 for 60 yards and 5 carries for 129 yards and 2 TD's). I think Pryor has probably established himself as a firm #2 at this point. My top five looks like this:
1. Denard Robinson
2. Terrell Pryor
3. Andrew Luck
4. Kellen Moore
5. Mark Ingram
Based on his performance Ingram could easily be higher except that he missed the first two games.
I'm right with you. I honestly think Ingram is completely out of the equation.....unless he has out of this world stats.
Also I just read through all of the BS in this thread. I frequent a lot of message forums and this is the only one where mods are not held to a higher standard. Here they contribute to the garbage lol.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Sep 26, 2010 9:06pm
Denard Robinson obviously is #1, but we all know this is sometimes a team award as well, so unless Michigan plans on going undefeated he won't win it(and they won't beat OSU for sure).
Ingram? Seriously? No. Ingram is a good football player no doubt, but he's already missed 2 games, and let's face it, there will NEVER be another 2 time winner. If Tebow with the media hanging all over his nuts can't do it, no one will, and Ingram isn't THAT good either. Amazing that the people saying Ingram are ND fans, they know almost nothing about college football.
Ingram? Seriously? No. Ingram is a good football player no doubt, but he's already missed 2 games, and let's face it, there will NEVER be another 2 time winner. If Tebow with the media hanging all over his nuts can't do it, no one will, and Ingram isn't THAT good either. Amazing that the people saying Ingram are ND fans, they know almost nothing about college football.
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the_system
Posts: 465
Sep 26, 2010 9:33pm
If Archie Griffin managed to get handed the heisman after only having 4 tds the second time, I don't see why Ingram couldn't.sleeper;498421 wrote:Denard Robinson obviously is #1, but we all know this is sometimes a team award as well, so unless Michigan plans on going undefeated he won't win it(and they won't beat OSU for sure).
Ingram? Seriously? No. Ingram is a good football player no doubt, but he's already missed 2 games, and let's face it, there will NEVER be another 2 time winner. If Tebow with the media hanging all over his nuts can't do it, no one will, and Ingram isn't THAT good either. Amazing that the people saying Ingram are ND fans, they know almost nothing about college football.
Year Car Yds Avg TD
1974 256 1,695 6.6 12
1975 262 1,450 5.5 4
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Sep 26, 2010 9:38pm
Its 2010 my friend. Things have changed. As an OSU fan I am kinda baffled at Archie winning his 2nd.the_system;498471 wrote:If Archie Griffin managed to get handed the heisman after only having 4 tds the second time, I don't see why Ingram couldn't.
Year Car Yds Avg TD
1974 256 1,695 6.6 12
1975 262 1,450 5.5 4
Ingram won't win it this year....no way.
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the_system
Posts: 465
Sep 26, 2010 9:43pm
Automatik;498478 wrote:Its 2010 my friend. Things have changed. As an OSU fan I am kinda baffled at Archie winning his 2nd.
Ingram won't win it this year....no way.
It's almost impossible to believe that he won the 2nd with 4 TDs. Especially with Dorsett and Bell dominating.
Regardless, I wouldn't count Ingram out yet. The heisman watch is getting thinner and thinner every week. If it gets down to guys like Kellen Moore and Ingram as the only ones who haven't blown it for themselves, I can't see Moore getting it over Ingram.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Sep 26, 2010 9:46pm
When you had Pete Johnson as the go to guy at the goal line it's not that hard to understand why Archie didn't get more scores. That team was loaded. Nobody uses FB like they did back in the day. I seriously doubt we'll ever see another two time winner, and I think Archie was an anomaly.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Sep 26, 2010 9:48pm
If Keenum and his numbers at Houston didn't impress, I find it hard to believe Moore will do so either.
BuckeyeBlue
Posts: 561
Sep 26, 2010 10:04pm
I think for Ingram to win it again he's going to need to break 2K yards. Its not going to be enough to put up the same numbers he did last year, he will have to be better. I think winning it last year will cause the voters to hold him to a higher standard this season. I think this is what cost Tim Tebow a second Heisman after winning it his sophomore season.
Right now my list would look like this:
1. Denard Robinson
2. Terrell Pryor
3a. Andrew Luck
3b. Kellen Moore
5. Mark Ingram
Right now my list would look like this:
1. Denard Robinson
2. Terrell Pryor
3a. Andrew Luck
3b. Kellen Moore
5. Mark Ingram
gerb131
Posts: 9,932
Sep 27, 2010 10:00am
Cam Newton from Auburn should be top 5 too. What he did to S.Car was pretty sweet.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 27, 2010 9:30pm
Current odds on Heisman winner:
Ingram 2:1
Robinson 7:2
Pryor 4:1
Moore 8:1
Newton 10:1
Mallett 12:1
Ingram 2:1
Robinson 7:2
Pryor 4:1
Moore 8:1
Newton 10:1
Mallett 12:1
Trueblue23
Posts: 7,463
Sep 27, 2010 9:59pm
What a joke. In the years past, if a player missed one game he was basically disqualified in everyone's eyes.
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pinstriper
Posts: 225
Sep 27, 2010 10:12pm
Numbers are important, but so are "Heisman Moments". If Ingram runs all over FL this week , and South Carolina the next, like he just did against ARK, he'll be on his way. He has Auburn (who will most likely be undefeated also) at the end of the year in the Iron Bowl, then the SEC Championship game. It's not hard to see how he could put together some big games and big time performances against top 10 teams the rest of the year.
Just sayin.
Just sayin.
Trueblue23
Posts: 7,463
Sep 27, 2010 10:16pm
ESPN has a poll on their main page right now:
Which is more likely to happen:
Denard Robinson wins the Heisman
Mike Vick wins NFL MVP
Denard is leading right now.
Which is more likely to happen:
Denard Robinson wins the Heisman
Mike Vick wins NFL MVP
Denard is leading right now.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Sep 27, 2010 10:18pm
pinstriper;499722 wrote:Numbers are important, but so are "Heisman Moments". If Ingram runs all over FL this week , and South Carolina the next, like he just did against ARK, he'll be on his way. He has Auburn (who will most likely be undefeated also) at the end of the year in the Iron Bowl, then the SEC Championship game. It's not hard to see how he could put together some big games and big time performances against top 10 teams the rest of the year.
Just sayin.
True. But the Big Ten will be very good this year with plenty of big games for both Robinson and Pryor. Not to mention, the most important time frame for these awards are towards the end of the year, and Robinson will get a chance to beat OSU, which will be one of the bigger wins in Big Ten history (if OSU continues to dominate the Big Ten like it has the past 10 years).
Trueblue23
Posts: 7,463
Sep 27, 2010 10:27pm
I love the hype Denard is getting right now, but no way do I expect him to keep this up all year.
I would say Laces won't be invited to NYC.
I would say Laces won't be invited to NYC.
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Sep 27, 2010 10:32pm
Wouldn't be suprised to see it the other way aroundTrueblue23;499728 wrote:ESPN has a poll on their main page right now:
Which is more likely to happen:
Denard Robinson wins the Heisman
Mike Vick wins NFL MVP
Denard is leading right now.
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pinstriper
Posts: 225
Sep 27, 2010 10:38pm
SportsAndLady;499732 wrote:True. But the Big Ten will be very good this year with plenty of big games for both Robinson and Pryor. Not to mention, the most important time frame for these awards are towards the end of the year, and Robinson will get a chance to beat OSU, which will be one of the bigger wins in Big Ten history (if OSU continues to dominate the Big Ten like it has the past 10 years).
Oh, I defenately agree. i was just making a point htat it doesn't have everything to do with numbers, there are intangibles also. Pryor going into that Michigan game against a 1 loss or undefeated Mich team, and dominating would be a huge push for him. This day and age, alot of the voters have access to tons of info, but they also have access to nationally tlevised/hyped up games and "Heisman Moments" shown over and over and over again on ESPN.
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Sep 27, 2010 10:41pm
The Big 10 is very good??
Non
Posts: 9,517
Sep 27, 2010 10:49pm
If I was actually a Heisman voter, I'd want the Heisman winner to emerge on their own. Like basically smacking you in the face that they are the winner. There's a performance or a few plays where you just say "yep, that's the Heisman winner."
Of course, it doesn't always happen that way. Sometimes it's not clear and you have to consider many factors when it comes time.
Of course, it doesn't always happen that way. Sometimes it's not clear and you have to consider many factors when it comes time.
krambman
Posts: 3,606
Sep 27, 2010 11:51pm
Trueblue23;499713 wrote:What a joke. In the years past, if a player missed one game he was basically disqualified in everyone's eyes.
Yeah, think about Dennis Dixon a few years ago. Everyone pretty much agreed that it was his to lose, then he got hurt and wasn't even invited to New York. I think it's the fact that his injury was at the beginning of the season so he has plenty of time to make up for missing two games. And he's looked fantastic (better than last year) in those two games since his return.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Sep 28, 2010 12:22am
pinstriper;499755 wrote:Oh, I defenately agree. i was just making a point htat it doesn't have everything to do with numbers, there are intangibles also. Pryor going into that Michigan game against a 1 loss or undefeated Mich team, and dominating would be a huge push for him. This day and age, alot of the voters have access to tons of info, but they also have access to nationally tlevised/hyped up games and "Heisman Moments" shown over and over and over again on ESPN.
I gotcha. I agree with your point, I was just coming at it from Robinson and Pryor's side.
And yes ty webb, the Big Ten is very good.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 28, 2010 12:38am
There is also a good chance the Iron Bowl will feature 2 undefeated teams led by Heisman candidates.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Sep 28, 2010 2:33am
Ty Webb;499756 wrote:The Big 10 is very good??
now now gibby, you have actually been posting intelligent stuff the past few days. Don't go and ruin it
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Sep 28, 2010 8:40am
this...If Ingram continues at the pace he's set, he'll be in NYC. I'm not saying he'll win, but IMO he'll get invited.krambman;499797 wrote:Yeah, think about Dennis Dixon a few years ago. Everyone pretty much agreed that it was his to lose, then he got hurt and wasn't even invited to New York. I think it's the fact that his injury was at the beginning of the season so he has plenty of time to make up for missing two games. And he's looked fantastic (better than last year) in those two games since his return.