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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Oct 31, 2010 11:22am
as of today, IMO:
1.) LaMichael James
2.) Cam Newton
3.) Kellen Moore
and I think there's still an outside chance for Terrelle Pryor, Denard Robinson & Mark Ingram
1.) LaMichael James
2.) Cam Newton
3.) Kellen Moore
and I think there's still an outside chance for Terrelle Pryor, Denard Robinson & Mark Ingram
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Oct 31, 2010 11:31am
1. Cameron Newton
2. LaMichael James
3. Kellen Moore
Moore a distant 3rd because of the knock against Boise. It's almost guaranteed to go to Newton if Auburn loses zero or one game. The guy is going to score 40+ touchdowns...and is quarterbacking an unbeaten team. History says it's his to lose...
2. LaMichael James
3. Kellen Moore
Moore a distant 3rd because of the knock against Boise. It's almost guaranteed to go to Newton if Auburn loses zero or one game. The guy is going to score 40+ touchdowns...and is quarterbacking an unbeaten team. History says it's his to lose...
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Oct 31, 2010 11:45am
Azubuike24;539477 wrote:1. Cameron Newton
2. LaMichael James
3. Kellen Moore
Moore a distant 3rd because of the knock against Boise. It's almost guaranteed to go to Newton if Auburn loses zero or one game. The guy is going to score 40+ touchdowns...and is quarterbacking an unbeaten team. History says it's his to lose...
Newton Heisman comes down to one game, Bama. If he can play good, win or lose..he should win it. If he happens to lay an egg...then James or Moore will win it.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 31, 2010 12:00pm
No way Moore should even be in the discussion, he's not going to win it, even if he should.
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Blanket
Posts: 369
Oct 31, 2010 12:32pm
Right now it is Cam Newton then everybody else.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Oct 31, 2010 12:52pm
Moore will get an invite for a few reasons:
1) His team will be unbeaten
2) They like having a "good story from a small school" in there
3. He will have the numbers
However, he is just a placeholder in the discussion. I can't believe I agreed with sleeper, but he is right. Moore has no chance to win the Heisman.
1) His team will be unbeaten
2) They like having a "good story from a small school" in there
3. He will have the numbers
However, he is just a placeholder in the discussion. I can't believe I agreed with sleeper, but he is right. Moore has no chance to win the Heisman.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Oct 31, 2010 12:54pm
centralbucksfan;539489 wrote:Newton Heisman comes down to one game, Bama. If he can play good, win or lose..he should win it. If he happens to lay an egg...then James or Moore will win it.
It will be interesting what Newton does in the next 2 weeks. He could really pad some stats against Chattanooga, and given the combination of Auburn's lackluster defense, Georgia's potent offensive ability and Georgia's pathetic defense, the UGA/AU game in 2 weeks could be another 4-6 TD performance for Newton.
He could, realistically, have 40+ TD's heading into the Friday game against Alabama, where as CBF said, the Heisman will be on the line. However, even if Newton loses that game, he's going to be in the top 2-3 for the Heisman. People compare him to Tim Tebow, and to be honest, the style isn't all that different. He's a better runner, but the impact they have as a ball controller is very similar.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Oct 31, 2010 3:19pm
sleeper;514661 wrote:I hope Kellen Moore wins it, not because I think he is better than TP(he's not), but because I want TP to focus on winning the National Championship, not meaningless awards(really, the last guy who deserved it was Troy Smith, once Tebow won it going 7-5, the award became meaningless).
you really think that tp is better than moore? hell no. tp in my book is one if not thee most overrated qb in the entire nation. dude does not have the abilitly to take a game over like moore or cam newton. im pulling for either on of those guys.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Oct 31, 2010 4:55pm
shook_17;539718 wrote:you really think that tp is better than moore? hell no. tp in my book is one if not thee most overrated qb in the entire nation. dude does not have the abilitly to take a game over like moore or cam newton. im pulling for either on of those guys.
I sure hope you're in junior high, 'cause you sure type like it--jeesh :rolleyes:
gerb131
Posts: 9,932
Oct 31, 2010 6:49pm
Just hand it to Cam and get it over with.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 31, 2010 7:14pm
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LOL? I think the Oregon running back is more deserving. Auburn hasn't played anyone yet and they are goign to get STOMPED when they play bama. Just a typical non traditional SEC team getting overhyped because the south has nothing better to do.
LOL? I think the Oregon running back is more deserving. Auburn hasn't played anyone yet and they are goign to get STOMPED when they play bama. Just a typical non traditional SEC team getting overhyped because the south has nothing better to do.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 31, 2010 7:15pm
shook_17;539718 wrote:you really think that tp is better than moore? hell no. tp in my book is one if not thee most overrated qb in the entire nation. dude does not have the abilitly to take a game over like moore or cam newton. im pulling for either on of those guys.
His Rose Bowl MVP disagrees with you. Another jealous hater comes out of the woodwork.
gerb131
Posts: 9,932
Oct 31, 2010 9:47pm
So you think Kellen Moore should win? Cam Newton laughs at you.
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Oct 31, 2010 9:48pm
sleeper;539993 wrote:His Rose Bowl MVP disagrees with you. Another jealous hater comes out of the woodwork.
Show me a game where he has completely taken over the game like Moore or Newton has??
And yes.....Moore is a better natural QB
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Oct 31, 2010 10:11pm
Game winning drive in Wiscy 2 years ago? Yeah that was one he took over and won by himself.
As long as Newton does well it's his to lose, Moore just doesn't get the opps against quality competition to be in the discussion.
As long as Newton does well it's his to lose, Moore just doesn't get the opps against quality competition to be in the discussion.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 1, 2010 9:16pm
ytownfootball;540317 wrote:Game winning drive in Wiscy 2 years ago? Yeah that was one he took over and won by himself.
As long as Newton does well it's his to lose, Moore just doesn't get the opps against quality competition to be in the discussion.
yeah great. he took complete control of 2 games his entire career so far at OSU. no i am not a "hater" i just think he is one of thee most overrated qbs in college football today. and i don't wanna hear, well what about jake locker or ryan mallet. neither one of those guys were serious contenders for the heisman this year. why do you think tressel won't let go with the offense like he did troy smith? because tressel doesn't trust tp to do it. kellen moore is hands down a better natural qb.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Nov 1, 2010 9:24pm
So tell me O-wise-one, how many games while at OSU has he played that he was actually needed/required to "take over"?
Maybe 6? And how many of those were as a freshman?
Face it, you really don't have a clue if you don't look at all the facts.
And just to be clear, I think he has a hard time cracking the top 5.
Maybe 6? And how many of those were as a freshman?
Face it, you really don't have a clue if you don't look at all the facts.
And just to be clear, I think he has a hard time cracking the top 5.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 1, 2010 9:45pm
you tell me? i don't really care for ohio state football. all i know is when the game is on the line tp can not take the game over. he has failed time after time. so for him to be considered a heisman frontrunner he has to have the ability to take a game over. i don't care if you say he took the rose bowl game over or the wisconsin game over two years ago. the time is now. and when his team needed him the most he can't come through. kellen moore on the other hand, he has ice in his veins. he has proven it, time after time. thats why i think he is ahead of tp for the heisman trophy.ytownfootball;541460 wrote:So tell me O-wise-one, how many games while at OSU has he played that he was actually needed/required to "take over"?
Maybe 6? And how many of those were as a freshman?
Face it, you really don't have a clue if you don't look at all the facts.
And just to be clear, I think he has a hard time cracking the top 5.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Nov 1, 2010 9:52pm
He's got ice in his veins? Really? Idaho and the LA Techs of the world must really bring out the best in him.shook_17;541482 wrote:. kellen moore on the other hand, he has ice in his veins. he has proven it, time after time. thats why i think he is ahead of tp for the heisman trophy.
You're the one with the criticisms, why the fuck should I do your busy work? Time and Time again? What is his record at OSU as a starter?you tell me? i don't really care for ohio state football. all i know is when the game is on the line tp can not take the game over. he has failed time after time.
Thanks.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 1, 2010 10:21pm
no but the va tech game when he led the game winning touchdown against the 10 ranked team in the nation. or last year against oregon the same team that ohio state beat that year.ytownfootball;541490 wrote:He's got ice in his veins? Really? Idaho and the LA Techs of the world must really bring out the best in him.
You're the one with the criticisms, why the fuck should I do your busy work? Time and Time again? What is his record at OSU as a starter?
Thanks.
kellen moore 33-1 as a starter. his only loss coming against TCU ranked #11 Terrelle Pryor 29-6. losses to USC (2) Penn State Texas Wisconsin and Purdue. the years he lost to USC the were ranked #1 and #3 Penn State #3 Texas #3 and a shitty purdue team.
both qbs are juniors. Moore career tds 82. Pryor 50 career tds
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Nov 1, 2010 10:34pm
Uh huh, VT, that lost to James Madison...
I'll take 5 losses and a few TD's against highly superior competition on a weekly basis as you think it's a wash.
If you don't consider competition the argument fails imo. We get it. You think he's over rated. I think was over-hyped, there's no argument about that.
He's improved a ton since he got thrown to the wolves against USC, that's also hardly debatable. The only thing that is debatable is the opponents.
I'll take 5 losses and a few TD's against highly superior competition on a weekly basis as you think it's a wash.
If you don't consider competition the argument fails imo. We get it. You think he's over rated. I think was over-hyped, there's no argument about that.
He's improved a ton since he got thrown to the wolves against USC, that's also hardly debatable. The only thing that is debatable is the opponents.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 2, 2010 12:12am
Yes VT did lose to james madison. but they have turned there season around. Taylor there qb i think? is quietly having a good year. i think they are back in the top 20 as well.ytownfootball;541561 wrote:Uh huh, VT, that lost to James Madison...
I'll take 5 losses and a few TD's against highly superior competition on a weekly basis as you think it's a wash.
If you don't consider competition the argument fails imo. We get it. You think he's over rated. I think was over-hyped, there's no argument about that.
He's improved a ton since he got thrown to the wolves against USC, that's also hardly debatable. The only thing that is debatable is the opponents.
over hyped might be a better choice of wording for him. there is no doubt he has significantly improved from his freshman year. it is night and day from his freshman year to his junior year. i just don't think he is worthly of hiesman talk.
lemme ask you this. my friend and i got in an agruement about this. you have one drive to win the national championship. who would you take. troy smith or terrelle pryor?
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Nov 2, 2010 12:20am
Troy Smith in his final season.
...But Pryor still has a year to go, kind of an unfair question. Based on his progression I could change my mind though.
...But Pryor still has a year to go, kind of an unfair question. Based on his progression I could change my mind though.
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0311sdp
Posts: 580
Nov 4, 2010 6:19am
Cam Newton is no more polished as a QB than Terrell Pryor is, (does Jamarcus Russell come to mind for both of them?) I like James to win the Heisman, but if Auburn somehow goes undefeated (and with that defense I don't think it is possible) Newton will win the Heisman because for some reason the media loves him. I agree with the opinions that say Kellen Moore has no chance, even though I think he is very good, Boise's schedule does work against him. The top 3 should be (in my opinion) 1. James, 2. Newton, 3. Moore
Ender Wiggin
Posts: 1,124
Nov 4, 2010 2:13pm
Lol Shook the burden of proof is on you, you claimed someone cant do something now you have to back up what you say. You can be like "he cant do this, but I dont know enough about it to provide proof so ill just stick with my stupid assertions."
How fucking dumb are you?
How fucking dumb are you?