Michigan is not a big game NCF??????? Come on buddy, Jimmy T is one helluva coach I don't want anyone else there. He is nothing but a winner.......and a winner with "Class".

Michigan has not been a big game for a while now.

BIG GAME TOP 5-10 TEAM.

you can forget about a new O-Coordinator/QB Coach. Gene Smith has said the school won't pay top dollar like the SEC/Pac 10 do for top notch coordinators.

Buckeyes want a more aggressive attitude in their football team, we hate the conservative play calling.

No...knowledgable Buck fans just require wins, I don't care if we are "flashy" or not

ytownfootball wrote: No...knowledgable Buck fans just require wins, I don't care if we are "flashy" or not

Agreed. I have no beef when they win. It is just that they aren't going to win when they play top SEC/PAC 10 schools with the current offense and playcalling. The game has changed, you can't beat those teams playing for the FG and field position.

Meh, I think losses in those games are more akin to excecution rather than playcalling itself. Well, excecution and overall talent level. We've been a step slower in most all those losses.

Could different playcalling overcome the lost step? Maybe. But hard to determine.

ytownfootball wrote: Well, excecution and overall talent level. We've been a step slower in most all those losses.

Please. Ohio State is one of the leaders in getting guys to the NFL. They don't let you play in the NFL if you can't run. Plus Ohio State is always up there in recruiting rankings too. The speed argument is just silly IMO.

To me it just seems like Tress is outschemed in those games. Your tackles can't block a DE? Bring a TE in over to help... You can't stop Florida/LSU with the base defense? Adjust. You can't run the same basic dive play 3 times in 1 drive? Go to page 2 of the playbook

I would argue that Ohio State plays a more NFL like program, thus the higher number of draftees, don't get me wrong they all deserve their draft status. When it comes to big games though we've been a step slower and it's not arguable. We haven't matched up well in those games.

I do agree that some adjustment need be implemented, but like I say, since that hasn't happened, it's hard to say if it would get results. But I agree it's better than doing nothing and sticking with what isn't working. Not being forced to change things more than once, maybe twice a season causes complacency.

newarkcatholicfan wrote: He has not won a big game with his own players.

newarkcatholicfan wrote: Michigan has not been a big game for a while now.

BIG GAME TOP 5-10 TEAM.

2004- #7 Michigan had only one loss and the Bucks dismantled them 37-21. Michigan went on to lose the Rose Bowl by 1 point to Texas.

2005- Notre Dame was #6 in the BCS when the Bucks dominated them, with Tressel's players.

2006- Beat #2 Texas, #2 Michigan and Iowa was #13 (just outside the top ten. With Tressel players.


This season he beat #10 Iowa and #11 Penn State, with his own players.

Tressel has beaten plenty of ranked teams and several top ten teams with his own players. If you look at Les Miles and Charlie Weis as examples; those are coaches who could only win with another coaches players.

Look at Rich Rod as an example of how hard it is to win with someone else's players. Tressel is a winner with Cooper's players (which is said to be harder to win with someone else's players) and his own players. Sure he has lost big games, but he has won big games too. You can't focus on one and not the other.

His own players would start after his first class became seniors that way the Jr. class, Soph. class and the Freshmen class would be all of his own players.

How many in a row has he lost against top five teams?

The LSU game could've gone either ways. The bonehead roughing the kicker play and Robo dropping that TD pass changed the game compleeeeetely.

NCF, it doesn't matter what the hell the rankings are, Michigan and OSU is a BIG GAME. Always expect the unexpected in a true rivalry.

Also, your complete ignorance on the topic is laughable.

At this point in time calling Michigan and Ohio State a big game is like calling Texas and Texas A & M a big game.

don't you think Coach Tressel has something to do with that my friend?

He has nothing to do with how bad they are overall.
He does not coach there nor does he recruit for them.
He does beat up on a bad team which he should and I am happy for that.

I happen to agree that OSU and Michigan hasn't been a "big" game since 2006 for fans outside of Ohio/Michigan. Do you think Texas fans give a shit that we beat a terrible Michigan team last weekend when they're trying to go undefeated and focusing on who their team has to beat to get to the NC game? No. I would be willing to bet half of Florida's fans couldn't tell you the final score of the OSU/Michigan game. Even in 2006, I had several friends from other states telling me that they thought both teams were highly overrated, and whoever won would have a tough time winning the NC game (lucky us). It's a big game for us, and rightfully so because we live in the area and participate in the rivalry. Just like since I went to Bowling Green, and I absolutely HATE Toledo. That's a huge game for me, but 90% of the college football fanbase could probably care less, and a lot of people outside of the midwest probably couldn't even tell you BG and Toledo were in the same conference. Both teams have to have national legitimacy in order for it to be nationally prominent. Just like Florida/Florida State this weekend. Does that game really excite you like it did a decade ago when Florida State was one of the best in college football? Or tonight's game with Texas and Tex. A&M? They certainly don't for me. You have to step out of your own, small everyday world and realize without both teams being highly ranked, people 3,000 miles away, really don't care, and the most news it will get is if an upset happens, with a 30 second highlight spot on ESPN.

LTrain23 wrote:

Big Gain wrote:
Tressel's "style" isn't different. It's just like Nick Saban's at Alabama. Actually Saban's team runs more and passes less than Tressel's team. Alabama's QB went FOUR straight games without a TD pass.

lol, so because Tress and Saban run an identical offense means is not different in todays day and age? That's two coaches out of 119 in Div 1A football. Most teams are now running variations of the spread or pro style offense.

USC doesn't run the spread. Texas doesn't run the spread. Oklahoma doesn't run the spread. LSU doesn't run the spread. Georgia doesn't run the spread. Alabama doesn't run the spread. Virginia Tech doesn't run the spread. Auburn doesn't run the spread. Miami and Florida State didn't run the spread when they were on top. Notre Dame and Penn State don't run the spread. Florida doesn't even run the COMPLETE spread.

The Top Ten programs, year in and year out in the country, do not run the spread. It's the latest of gimmick offenses that mid-major and wannabee BSC programs run.

newarkcatholicfan wrote: He has nothing to do with how bad they are overall.
He does not coach there nor does he recruit for them.
He does beat up on a bad team which he should and I am happy for that.

Do you think Florida/Florida State is a "big game"? They do. Do you think Alabama/Auburn is a "big game"? They do. Do you think Georgia/Georgia Tech is a "big game"? They do. Do you think USC/UCLA is a "big game"? They do. Do you think Oklahoma/Nebraska is a "big game" They do. Do you think Arizona/Arizona State is a Big game? They do. Do you think Army/Navy is a "big game"? they do. Do you think Yale/Harvar is a "big game"? They do.

Who is they?
I am guessing fans it those area?
Those game, well some of them were huge at one time.

Of those listed I like the Yale/Harvard game.

Big Gain wrote:

USC doesn't run the spread. Texas doesn't run the spread. Oklahoma doesn't run the spread. LSU doesn't run the spread. Georgia doesn't run the spread. Alabama doesn't run the spread. Virginia Tech doesn't run the spread. Auburn doesn't run the spread. Miami and Florida State didn't run the spread when they were on top. Notre Dame and Penn State don't run the spread. Florida doesn't even run the COMPLETE spread.

The Top Ten programs, year in and year out in the country, do not run the spread. It's the latest of gimmick offenses that mid-major and wannabee BSC programs run.

Uhhh Texas runs the spread, Oklahoma runs the spread, LSU runs the spread (a good bit), Auburn definitely does with Gus Malzahn. And if there is one team who you can be sure runs the spread, its Florida. I don't know what you consider the 'spread' to be, but you are way off.

Not saying OSU should or shouldn't, just saying that you are off on the spread talk.

Florida runs the Single Wing and a little bit of run and shoot

darbypitcher22 wrote: Florida runs the Single Wing and a little bit of run and shoot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Meyer#The_spread_offense

Take it for what its worth. There are sources in the article, so its not just some guy on wikipedia writing what he wants

Its basically the single wing with spread principles... the single wing is an option based sort of system that still in the passing game is designed to get the ball to little guys in open space like the spread is as well.

Big Gain wrote:

lacknett wrote: Actually the Big 10 was one of the best conferences in football throughout the 90's. Now its one of the worst. The coaching is down and the talent it down. How many all pros are in the NFL from Tressel? Cooper wasn't a great coach either but he had boatloads of them. And for those dogging USC rebuilding or what not....whatever. They still beat the Big 10's best team on the road and have been beating the Big 10's best teams all decade long.

14 points scored on offense against a terrible Michigan team with getting 5 TO's....nuff said about Tressell and his coaching. His selection of offensive plays is worse than "Tecmo Bowl." His only savior is he coaches in a conference that doesn't have the talent to stop his plain vanilla offenses. Maybe he should think about running different plays out of the same formations as opposed to running the same play out of different formations. Its just like somebody on here said, "If I know what play they are going to run then imagine what the other coaches know"

Ohio State won the freaking game. ONLY ignorant whiners are PO'd if Ohio State doesn't score 50 points.

Yes, so ignorant of me to see there is an obvious problem with the way Tressel runs an underperforming offense every year. I would think most people would agree that a high scoring offense and great defense is better than an offense that can't score and a great defense. Obviously the only ones who don't agree are blind OSU fans and a blind Head Coach named Tressell.