I Wear Pants;995213 wrote:You also don't care for those people who have been found to be on death row wrongfully many years after their conviction.

And where is the part about people dying in the constitution?

1775 Death Penalty Used in All 13 US Colonies at Outbreak of American Revolution

By the start of the American Revolution, the death penalty was used in all 13 colonies. Rhode Island was the only colony that did not have at least 10 crimes punishable by death. The colonies had "roughly comparable death statutes which covered arson, piracy, treason, murder, sodomy, burglary, robbery, rape, horse-stealing, slave rebellion, and often counterfeiting. Hanging was the usual sentence. Rhode Island was probably the only colony which decreased the number of capital crimes in the late 1700's." [RIGHT]Michael H. Reggio "History of the Death Penalty," Pbs.org (accessed Dec. 16, 2009)[/RIGHT]

1787 Founding Fathers Allow for Death Penalty When Writing Constitution

"To most constitutional lawyers there seems little doubt that the Founding Fathers intended to allow for the death penalty in drawing up the US Constitution of 1787. Not only did certain provisions of the Constitution - such as the Fifth Amendment - expressly allow for the taking of life, but others - such as the Eighth Amendment - were deliberately phrased in ambigious ways that suggested even if certain forms of punishment could be banned (such as crucifixions or beheadings) the basic principle of government executions remained permissible if individual states and the federal government wished to legislate for these."

I Wear Pants;996033 wrote:In hindsight I shouldn't have brought that up. But you guys really don't want to get into the punishment that the bible allows. Not applicable to civilized culture.

BGFalcons82;996559 wrote:Here's America, 2011 - "Somebody needs to pay for all my children."

http://nation.foxnews.com/homelessness/2011/12/01/homeless-lady-15-kids-somebody-needs-pay-all-my-children

How did we get to here? When did personal responsibility get run over with a Mack truck? I have much sympathy for the children, but their mother and fathers have no clue about common sense, parenthood, responsiblity and accountability. Unfortunately, she's not alone in her demands for other people's money because she can't control herself.

sleeper;996601 wrote:This is something I don't blame Obama for. This country has become more and more entitled and consequently more and more stupid over the years.

tk421;998621 wrote:too bad that after we are finally leaving Iraq, the war on terror is coming to the U.S. Senate voting to declare the U.S. a combat zone, guess they need something to occupy all these soldiers when they return home.

tk421;998621 wrote:too bad that after we are finally leaving Iraq, the war on terror is coming to the U.S.

gut;1006218 wrote:The new slogan can be "fight them here so we don't have to over there"

BGFalcons82;1006406 wrote:What has happened to Amerika?

believer;1006771 wrote:fixed

I Wear Pants;1007556 wrote:This is stupid.

In August 2008, as the world's leaders gathered in Beijing for the Olympic games, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, hot-headed and erratic, made his gamble for greatness.

It began with a stunning artillery barrage on Tskhinvali, capital of tiny South Ossetia, a province that had broken free of Tbilisi when Tbilisi broke free of Russia. As Ossetians and Russian peacekeepers fell under the Georgian guns, terrified Ossetians fled into Russia.

Saakashvili's blitzkrieg appeared to have triumphed.

Until, that is, Russian armor, on Vladimir Putin's orders, came thundering down the Roki Tunnel into Ossetia, sending Saakashvili's army reeling. The Georgians were driven out of Ossetia and expelled from a second province that had broken free of Tbilisi: Abkhazia.

The Russians then proceeded to bomb Tbilisi, capture Gori, birthplace of Josef Stalin, and bomb Georgian airfields rumored to be the forward bases for the Israelis in any pre-emptive strike on Iran.

The humiliation of Saakashvili was total and brought an enraged and frustrated John McCain running to the microphones.

"Today, we're all Georgians," bawled McCain.

Well, not exactly.

President Bush called Putin's response "disproportionate" and "brutal," but did nothing. Small nations that sucker-punch big powers do not get to dictate when the fisticuffs stop.

What made this war of interest to Americans, however, was that Bush had long sought to bring Georgia into NATO. Only the resistance of Old Europe had prevented it.

And had Georgia been a member of NATO when Saakashvili began his war, U.S. Marines and Special Forces might have been on the way to the Caucasus to confront Russian troops in a part of the world where there is no vital U.S. interest and never has been any U.S. strategic interest whatsoever.

A U.S war with Russia – over Georgia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia – would have been an act of national criminal insanity.

Days later, there came another startling discovery.

McCain foreign-policy adviser Randy Scheunemann had been paid $290,000 by the Saakashvili regime, from January 2007 to March 2008, to get Georgia into NATO, and thus acquire a priceless U.S. war guarantee to fight on Georgia's side in any clash with Russia.

What makes this history relevant today?

Last week, Sen. Marco Rubio, rising star of the Republican right, on everyone's short list for VP, called for a unanimous vote, without debate, on a resolution directing President Obama to accept Georgia's plan for membership in NATO at the upcoming NATO summit in Chicago.

Rubio was pushing to have the U.S. Senate pressure Obama into fast-tracking Georgia into NATO, making Tbilisi an ally the United States would be obligated by treaty to go to war to defend.

Now it is impossible to believe a senator, not a year in office, dreamed this up himself. Some foreign agent of Scheunemann's ilk had to have had a role in drafting it.

And for whose benefit is Rubio pushing to have his own countrymen committed to fight for a Georgia that, three years ago, started an unprovoked war with Russia? Who cooked up this scheme to involve Americans in future wars in the Caucasus that are none of our business?

The answer is unknown. What is known is the name of the senator who blocked it – Rand Paul, son of Ron Paul, who alone stepped in and objected, defeating Rubio's effort to get a unanimous vote.

The resolution was pulled. But these people will be back. They are indefatigable when it comes to finding ways to commit the blood of U.S. soldiers to their client regimes and ideological bedfellows.

Back in 2008, however, as Bush was confining himself to protesting the excesses of Russia's response, his ex-U.N. ambassador was full of righteous rage and ready for military action.

In the London Telegraph, Aug. 15, 2008, John Bolton declared that Russia had conducted an "invasion," that Georgia had been a "victim of aggression," that America had "fiddled while Georgia burned," that we had played the "paper tiger"when faced by the snarling Russian Bear.

believer;1007628 wrote:Is there anything else you want to add, comrade?

Cleveland Buck;1008568 wrote:http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE...geId= 375725

We need a lot more Pauls in government and a lot fewer scum like Rubio, McCain, and Obama.

And for whose benefit is Rubio pushing to have his own countrymen committed to fight for a Georgia that, three years ago, started an unprovoked war with Russia?

Devils Advocate;1009121 wrote: You have FAILED in every “government service” you have shoved down our throats while overspending our tax dollars.

We have lost our minds to &#8220olitical Correctness!”

Devils Advocate;1009121 wrote:To President Obama and most 535 voting members of congress, it is now official — the majority of you are inept and corrupt morons:

a. The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775. You have had 234 years to get it right and it is broke.

b. Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get it right and it is broke.

c. Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it right and it is corrupt, broke and bankrupt.

d. War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right. $1 TRILLION of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to “the poor” and they only want more.

e. Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years to get it right and they are both broke.

f. Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it right and it is also completely corrupt and broke.

g. The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32 years to get it right and it is another abysmal failure.

You have FAILED in every “government service” you have shoved down our throats while overspending our tax dollars.

We have lost our minds to “Political Correctness!”