wes_mantooth;431490 wrote:Cook has been a disappointment so far, not sure that it his fault or not. I thought that other than Oden, he had the best NBA style game out of Thad's bunch. I still think he will be a decent NBA player though.

hoops23;431819 wrote:Over the next 5 years, the Cavs have 14 draft picks. 7 1st rounders and 7 2nd rounders.. I'm guessing that number goes up and the Cavs package some of them to sweeten other deals.

hoops23;431818 wrote:I can't really label him a disappointment simply because of the way he was handled in Miami. When given the chance, he produced.

He's a career 36% 3 point shooter, and I think he'll help OKC out as that was one of their weakest points last season (aside from KD)..

IggyPride00;431823 wrote: I appreciate the Cavs enthusiasm for collecting picks, but it is not going to make a whole lot of difference if they are more late first round picks. Need to find a way to get some real assets.

jordo212000;432177 wrote:Agreed. The picks they have been collecting are of really no use. Good players are few and far between late in the draft. They need to tank it for a season and then hope they get lucky in the lottery. The team can't succeed without getting another marquee player to build around.

hoops23;432433 wrote:Again, this is false.

Those draft picks will most likely be used to package in part of other deals or to package in deals to move up in the draft.

thedynasty1998;432502 wrote:No offense to this post, because I think that would be the logical move, but Grant hasn't really shown much to make you think he's going to make the "right" moves.

devil1197;432551 wrote:Again, give the guy more than 2 months before you start freaking out. He has shown that Cleveland won't overpay for role players, they are going young with the signings of Samuel and Eyenga, and their being patient with West and the options laid out in front of them. He is pushing to get more in return for West which is good because right now he doesn't have to jump the gun like you want him to just to make a move.

thedynasty1998;432560 wrote:He has done nothing in 2 months other than sign Samuels.

To say they "won't overpay for role players" is proven wrong when Matt Barnes turned them down for less money.

I'm just really wondering what the hell Grant does all day with his time?

thedynasty1998;432560 wrote:He has done nothing in 2 months other than sign Samuels.

To say they "won't overpay for role players" is proven wrong when Matt Barnes turned them down for less money.

I'm just really wondering what the hell Grant does all day with his time?

devil1197;432573 wrote:Obviously Barnes was going to get more money at Cleveland over the other contenders who had spent theirs. But Barnes wanted more money than what Cleveland was offering and Grant said no. The only way Barnes was going to pick Cleveland over LAL was if Cleveland offered more than the initial offer. He stood his ground and now we don't have $$$ tied up in a player that isn't a part of the future.

You just don't understand the processes in the NBA and that's not your fault. You've said it yourself that you don't really pay attention to the NBA.

Grant has signed Samuels and Eyenga while hiring a head coach Bryon Scott to rebuild the franchise. IMO, he talked some sense into Gilbert after the tempers died down and was able to get multiple picks from Miami that will be very important in the next couple drafts as Cleveland will pair those up to move around.

In the end, doing nothing right now is probably better than doing something. Cleveland will trade West by the first week of August. There is already multiple offers on the table but Cleveland can wait to pick the best one. Also, Cleveland will get more value for players like Williams or Jamison if they decide to trade them at the trade deadline rather than right now. So in reality, not overpaying role players and trading guys right now when its not necessary is actually doing "something". Its doing the right thing in Cleveland's situation.

thedynasty1998;432619 wrote:Just saw this article on ESPN that details the additions and key losses of each team:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=transactions-10-11

The Cavs are the only team to not add a player (apparently they don't count a guy that was drafted last year and signing and undrafted rookie), despite losing the best player in the game.

devil1197;432622 wrote:Free agency rarely has young talent that Cleveland is looking at acquiring. Most of these guys are superstars, older vets looking for rings, or players just getting out of their rookie contract deals. The players Cleveland are interested in to rebuild the franchise are still under contract.

thedynasty1998;432630 wrote: I get you want to defend Grant and the Cavs, but they are looking like one of the worst run teams in the NBA right now. They have the biggest free agent they will ever see, yet don't make any moves to try to get him to stay. And once he leaves, they just stay put.

I don't want to say make a move to make a move. But do something!

We are really talking about the signing of Samuels of proof of the direction the franchise is heading towards? So they are going to target guys no one else wants? Makes sense to me.

grodt;432641 wrote:They could not sign anyone before LeBron left. They had no cap space. They tried to work a S/T with multiple teams but nothing came through. And since it is now obvious that LeBron was never staying, I'm glad they didn't blow more money on a aging guy to plug a hole. And after he left it would be stupid for the future to try to sign "stop-gaps" because they wouldn't help the future of the team. Instead they stock-piled draft picks, some of which they will use and others they will trade in packages for players when they are in a better position to compete.

Sure it sucks that we haven't signed anyone and that just makes it clearer that we're going to struggle for awhile, but the days of over-paying for marginal talent in free agency are over. They are going to get young, draft well and then sign free agents for market value that will complement the pieces that they already have.

thedynasty1998;432630 wrote:What the hell does that even mean? So, who do the Cavs want? They don't want superstars, vets, or players getting out of their rookie contracts? So, the Cavs are going to exclusively go after guys just getting out of their 2nd contract? I don't even know what the hell you are trying to say?

ESPN had 80 unrestricted free agents listed, and you want to tell me the Cavs had no interest in any of them, other than Matt Barnes who took less money?

I get you want to defend Grant and the Cavs, but they are looking like one of the worst run teams in the NBA right now. They have the biggest free agent they will ever see, yet don't make any moves to try to get him to stay. And once he leaves, they just stay put.

I don't want to say make a move to make a move. But do something!

We are really talking about the signing of Samuels of proof of the direction the franchise is heading towards? So they are going to target guys no one else wants? Makes sense to me.

thedynasty1998;432653 wrote: However, I don't buy that they couldn't sign anyone before Lebron left.

Commander of Awesome;432670 wrote:Thats because youre a fucking buffoon who talks out of his ass and refuses to understand the governing rules of the NBA and how the cap structure operates. I am glad other ppl are catching on to how god damn dumb you are. You have been repeatedly getting pwned and schooled by almost everyone on these boards but your head is so far up your ass you can't even realize.

thedynasty1998;432653 wrote:However, I don't buy that they couldn't sign anyone before Lebron left.