I found this interesting...thought I'd share.

Louisiana voters think President George W. Bush did a better job handling the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina than President Obama has done in the wake of the BP oil spill, according to a new pol

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/16/louisiana-voters-obama-performance-oil-spill-worse-bush-katrina/

Interesting I thought.

Louisiana voters think President George W. Bush did a better job handling the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina than President Obama has done in the wake of the BP oil spill, according to a new pol

Link: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/16/louisiana-voters-obama-performance-oil-spill-worse-bush-katrina/

Of course Fox News. Isn't this for the political forum?

Yes it belongs in the Political Forum however you would believe the poll the other way if it came from CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, etc......

I couldn't get it to work over there, so I figured I'd start it here and let it get moved.

And this is an AP Poll where LA thinks Obama has been just as bad with the spill as Bush with Katrtrina:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ap_poll_obama_oil_spill;_ylt=Aq9x4IMYohM.ZQjuEmiVc2wDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTJ2ZjBtbGs0BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwNjE2L3VzX2FwX3BvbGxfb2JhbWFfb2lsX3NwaWxsBHBvcwM1BHNlYwN5bl9hcnRpY2xlX3N1bW1hcnlfbGlzdARzbGsDYXBwb2xsbW9zdHVu

Fab1b;391458 wrote:Yes it belongs in the Political Forum

Don't be a bald asshole.

Me never *insert evil grin

Politics are right down there with NASCAR

SnotBubbles;391459 wrote:I couldn't get it to work over there, so I figured I'd start it here and let it get moved.

Threads have to be approved my a mod over there (this way the threads are required to at least have some substance to them, and doesn't turn into the mess JJ had for a political forum)... they take a while to show up if neither of the 2 politics mods are on at the time to approve it.


It just showed up over in politics, actually.

SnotBubbles;391424 wrote:I found this interesting...thought I'd share.



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/16/louisiana-voters-obama-performance-oil-spill-worse-bush-katrina/

Because this poll comes from Fox News it holds little value by the LLS ( Liberal, Left Socialist) ...now if you post the more incriminating poll by AP
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100615/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_ap_poll_obama_oil_spill or
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/06/fallout-from-spill.html ....... then the LLS will make a comment that they don’t take polls serious. They have their head in the sand and can’t see the beach.

all these comparisions to Katrina, it seems the situation would be more analogous to the corporate malfesance of Bhophal.

Funny, it can't hold any water (pun intended) because it was "Fox News". Did you actually read the story? It was just a Fox News story reporting on a poll done by SOMEONE OTHER THAN FOX NEWS. This wasn't a Fox News poll.

Good Lord I just wish people would actually read before making stupid comments sometimes.

Oh, and guess what, the company that did the poll is a liberal company, not a conservative one.

isadore;391602 wrote:all these comparisions to Katrina, it seems the situation would be more analogous to the corporate malfesance of Bhophal.

Not really. Bhopal's disaster was immediate and had a much higher death toll. They repeatedly ignored multiple safety hazards and several people were found to be criminally negligible in the deaths. So far, nothing that has happened with the BP oil spill even remotely approaches these errors.

Additionally, to the point of this discussion, it would be unfair and difficult to compare the President's response to this to anything that occured in the Bhopal disaster since it was in another country.

Everyone thinks the hear and now is worse than 5 years ago. Weird.

BCBulldog;391644 wrote:Not really. Bhopal's disaster was immediate and had a much higher death toll. They repeatedly ignored multiple safety hazards and several people were found to be criminally negligible in the deaths. So far, nothing that has happened with the BP oil spill even remotely approaches these errors.

Additionally, to the point of this discussion, it would be unfair and difficult to compare the President's response to this to anything that occured in the Bhopal disaster since it was in another country.

there is a death toll. as more and more information is revealed BP did repeatedly and in all probility criminallly ignore safety hazards. It is early in the process but do not be so sure people will not be held criminally negligent for the deaths.
We can see some of the problems with depending primariy on courts dealing with multinationals with some bophal sentences just coming out in the last few days and no way to enforce them.

isadore;391712 wrote:there is a death toll. as more and more information is revealed BP did repeatedly and in all probility criminallly ignore safety hazards. It is early in the process but do not be so sure people will not be held criminally negligent for the deaths.
We can see some of the problems with depending primariy on courts dealing with multinationals with some bophal sentences just coming out in the last few days and no way to enforce them.

Death toll, yes. Bhopal numbers, not even close. Like you said, it's early. Let's give a chance for the facts to come out before we start making wild accusations of criminal negligence. If they did act that way it will come out, if not, they deserve the assumption of innocence. More importantly, it would be better if the efforts of our government and BP be put toward stopping and cleaning up the results of the spill, than worrying about where to point fingers and serve subpoenas. Again, there will be time for that later.

BCBulldog;391723 wrote:Death toll, yes. Bhopal numbers, not even close. Like you said, it's early. Let's give a chance for the facts to come out before we start making wild accusations of criminal negligence. If they did act that way it will come out, if not, they deserve the assumption of innocence. More importantly, it would be better if the efforts of our government and BP be put toward stopping and cleaning up the results of the spill, than worrying about where to point fingers and serve subpoenas. Again, there will be time for that later.

seem tto be more than a wild accusations, unless your rand paul and bp is obviously innocent

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-06-14-oil-spill-letter_N.htm
http://www.themarkettraders.com/content/bps-nightmare-well-internal-documents-uncover-negligence-wired-news
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/05/03/brazile.oil.new.orleans/index.html

BCBulldog;391723 wrote:Death toll, yes. Bhopal numbers, not even close. Like you said, it's early. Let's give a chance for the facts to come out before we start making wild accusations of criminal negligence. If they did act that way it will come out, if not, they deserve the assumption of innocence. More importantly, it would be better if the efforts of our government and BP be put toward stopping and cleaning up the results of the spill, than worrying about where to point fingers and serve subpoenas. Again, there will be time for that later.

Amen! Amen! Amen!
Victory in Jesus and all that other stuff!

isadore;391784 wrote:seem tto be more than a wild accusations, unless your rand paul and bp is obviously innocent

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-06-14-oil-spill-letter_N.htm
http://www.themarkettraders.com/content/bps-nightmare-well-internal-documents-uncover-negligence-wired-news
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/05/03/brazile.oil.new.orleans/index.html

I read the first one and found only one accusation from a report that cited a law that they may have violated. The second one linked to a bunch of other stuff that I refuse to sift through for this discussion. The third was an editorial, therefore conjecture - not evidence. I really don't want to get into a debate over whether I think BP was negligent without seeing actual evidence. I am sure that more will come out in the hearings tomorrow. But remind me, is the problem fixed yet?

BCBulldog;391832 wrote:I read the first one and found only one accusation from a report that cited a law that they may have violated. The second one linked to a bunch of other stuff that I refuse to sift through for this discussion. The third was an editorial, therefore conjecture - not evidence. I really don't want to get into a debate over whether I think BPnegligent without seeing actual evidence. I am sure that more will come out in the hearings tomorrow. But remind me, is the problem fixed yet?

No matter how dismissive you maybe, the negligence of their criminal negligence is overwheming. Their lack of plan for preventing or limiting harm, their actions at the site, the deaths of those workers, their utter incompetence since then.
"Is the Problem fixed? The fact that this has gone on for nearly two months says alot about their negllgence. They do not deserve to be rewarded for it.

Look...I don't think BHO has done a great job with this spill...and I honestly can't remember how I felt about W during katrina....I remember thinking "what do you want him to do ya hippies?" kind of like how I feel now thinking "what do you want Barry to do?"

Either way, I think it's important to remember that Lousiana is a Red State....and if they're anything like many of the staunch conservatives on here...of course they're not going to think BHO has handled this situation well. If Barry O were out there walking on the Gulf of Mexico they'd say he couldn't swim.

isadore;391870 wrote:No matter how dismissive you maybe, the negligence of their criminal negligence is overwheming. Their lack of plan for preventing or limiting harm, their actions at the site, the deaths of those workers, their utter incompetence since then.
"Is the Problem fixed? The fact that this has gone on for nearly two months says alot about their negllgence. They do not deserve to be rewarded for it.

I'm not dismissive of facts, but I haven't seen any that conclusively prove any wrongdoing...yet. When and if they come out, then BP should be held responsible. But not before. You said that BP "in all probility[sic] criminallly[sic] ignore(d) safety hazards." Nothing conclusive has come out but you are ready to convict because you 'feel' they are guilty of some sort of crime. Our current government seems to think the same way. In the meantime, oil continues to spill into the Gulf and Obama goes on prime-time TV in an ill-conceived self-serving attempt to save face with the already exasperated public and Congress is preparing for a witch hunt. There is a time and place for investigation, but right now the time calls for solutions to the problem, not political posturing.

What does two months of government inaction say about their incompetence? And please explain how BP benefits in any way from this situation. Their reward seems to be billions of dollars in cleanup, massive losses in company value, damning public perception, political and activist scrutiny and condemnation, and countless other damages. But maybe you are right, they're getting over on everyone.

BCBulldog;392338 wrote:I'm not dismissive of facts, but I haven't seen any that conclusively prove any wrongdoing...yet. When and if they come out, then BP should be held responsible. But not before. You said that BP "in all probility[sic] criminallly[sic] ignore(d) safety hazards." Nothing conclusive has come out but you are ready to convict because you 'feel' they are guilty of some sort of crime. Our current government seems to think the same way. In the meantime, oil continues to spill into the Gulf and Obama goes on prime-time TV in an ill-conceived self-serving attempt to save face with the already exasperated public and Congress is preparing for a witch hunt. There is a time and place for investigation, but right now the time calls for solutions to the problem, not political posturing.

What does two months of government inaction say about their incompetence? And please explain how BP benefits in any way from this situation. Their reward seems to be billions of dollars in cleanup, massive losses in company value, damning public perception, political and activist scrutiny and condemnation, and countless other damages. But maybe you are right, they're getting over on everyone.

Enormous corporate entities are so lucky to have defenders like the Pauls, Barbara Bachman and you.
BP is so helpless without you. You are so worried about the “witch hunt.” The government exercising it legal powers to protect its citizen from corporate malfeasance is representative government of the people in action, only a witch hunt to criminals and their sympathizers. The major error of the Obama administration was passivity from the start, letting the criminals run the rescue of the victims, that was their mistake.
Nothing ever will come out to prove to you the definitive guilt of this corporate giant which killed 10 of its own employees and caused the greatest environmental disaster in our country’s history. Because of apologists and government timidity they have not yet received their just deserts. Even a 20 billion dollar stop gap payment will not do it.
They are guilty
They had been warned by their own employees of the danger but refused to act.
http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-news-section/49-49/2056-doomed-crew-warned-bp-of-danger
BP should have know of the possibility of failure but discounted it
http://www.forbes.com/2010/05/25/oil-spill-engineering-technology-cio-network-bp.html
BP had no disaster response plan
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/291430
/BP CEO admits they were not prepared
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704635204575241994030460412.html
But from the beginning have tried to hide the extent of the damage
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6039614-media-restriction-to-oil-spill-causes-concerns

I think the people of Louisiana will be a little bit happier with Obama now that he has put BP's balls to the fire and demanded a minimum of $20B in payments. At least they know he's doing something.