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Jun 22, 2010 2:48 PM
Anyone who believes Obama has handled this worse than Bush did Katrina...I feel sorry for you
Jun 22, 2010 2:48pm
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Jun 23, 2010 11:38 AM
gibby08;397375 wrote:Anyone who believes Obama has handled this worse than Bush did Katrina...I feel sorry for you

Meh, apples and oranges comparison when you get right down to it.

That said, Obama has handled this very poorly. He did not mobilize all federal resources immediately, as he could have, and he did a piss poor job of clearing federal hurdles that would have allowed the locals to mobilize their resources faster. Add to that what appears to be an extremely incompetent staff (reflective of their boss, I guess), and you have a nice recipe for looking really ineffectual.

But hey, he got in more than a few rounds of golf...so I'm sure he's happy.
Jun 23, 2010 11:38am
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Jun 23, 2010 12:39 PM
Why can't we just say that both pretty much dropped the ball in regards to reacting to these two disasters?

I wasn't pleased at all with Bush's reaction to Katrina, and i have not been pleased with Obama's reaction to the BP spill either.

Both have sucked, to put it bluntly.

Bush was a tremendous dissapointment.

And Obama has been a tremendous dissapointment to me so far as well, and i voted for the guy and was/am a huge supporter.

America can do a lot better than Bush, and as the Obama administration progresses, it is becoming apparent that we can do a lot better than Obama, too.

I hate to say it, but the USA is now about to suffer through two consecutive inept and downright shady administrations.

Bush was shady as hell, in his own way.

And Obama is carrying on that tradition.
Jun 23, 2010 12:39pm
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Jun 23, 2010 12:59 PM
cbus4life;398594 wrote:America can do a lot better than Bush, and as the Obama administration progresses, it is becoming apparent that we can do a lot better than Obama, too.

I hate to say it, but the USA is now about to suffer through two consecutive inept and downright shady administrations.

Bush was shady as hell, in his own way.

And Obama is carrying on that tradition.

Some of us have been saying that all along, Cbus.

Glad you finally caught up with us! ;)
Jun 23, 2010 12:59pm
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Jun 23, 2010 3:41 PM
Why would Obama being shady surprise anyone?

Chicago politics? HELLO...Emanuel...HEllO HELLO!

Ayers, the shady real estate deal, Annenberg...HELLO HELLO HELLO!
Jun 23, 2010 3:41pm
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Jun 23, 2010 6:46 PM
First lady thanks Justice Department staff for work on oil spill

Only in the Obama Administration would it be made a priority to have the first lady visit the Justice Department to thank the attorneys working on suing people and companies instead of sending her down to the Gulf to thank the volunteers and those working on productive things like cleaning up the actual oil spill.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/23/first-lady-thanks-justice-department-staff-for-work-on-oil-spill/?fbid=TeKztwCneqZ#more-110345
Jun 23, 2010 6:46pm
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Jun 23, 2010 7:13 PM
jmog;393980 wrote:Actually by any independent ranking agency, the acutal news from Fox has been rated the most balanced/fair of any news agency, just beating out CNN.

Given, their TV show commentators/opinion people like Hannity/Beck are pretty far right, but that's no difference than the far left commentators like Maddow and Olbermann on MSNBC.

Actual news however, Fox has been rated far better than MSNBC and ABC, and even or slightly better than CNN.
now thats hysterical
Jun 23, 2010 7:13pm
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Jun 23, 2010 9:07 PM
KnightRyder;399264 wrote:now thats hysterical
If you think that studies conducted by UCLA and Harvard that pretty much support his point are hysterical, then I don't know what to tell ya, dude. :confused:
Jun 23, 2010 9:07pm
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Jun 23, 2010 11:06 PM
Obama won't even suspend the Jones Act that requires ships operating between US ports to be built and crewed by americans. A stupid law to have on the books to begin with, but he won't risk offending his union cronies by suspending it so other countries (which have more advanced technology) to help with the cleanup.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704198004575310800313251666.html?KEYWORDS=oil+spill+dredging
Mr. Obama could issue a full waiver of the Jones Act, but failed even to mention the law in his speech last night. In the wake of Hurricane Katrina in 2005, the Bush administration didn't hesitate to waive the law completely in an emergency. Congressman Djou says a waiver is essential in spurring the Gulf Coast cleanup. The Houston Chronicle reports that several countries offered to send sophisticated equipment immediately after the spill but were turned down. The Dutch government offered ships fitted with oil-skimming booms three days after the leak began. Geert Visser, the consul general for the Netherlands in Houston, said the answer from the Obama administration was "Thanks, but no thanks."

Later, the administration relented, allowing U.S. ships to be outfitted with Dutch skimming booms that can remove 20,000 tons of oil and sludge a day. "At that rate, how much more oil could have been removed from the Gulf during the past month?" asks the Chronicle. The paper notes that some offers of help from other countries still haven't been accepted.

The Jones Act may also have played a role in delaying the construction of sand barriers to protect the fragile Louisiana coast. Mr. Visser, the Dutch consul, says American dredging companies, which lack the dike-building expertise of the Dutch, rebuffed Dutch offers of help, which might have meant running afoul of the Jones Act.
Jun 23, 2010 11:06pm
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Jun 24, 2010 9:24 AM
The biggest difference is the face of Katrina was the poor from the Ninth Ward, the face of the Oil Spill is rich beach-front property owners. The media doesn't give a rat's ass if somebody's $1M vacation home is now worth $100K and you can be damn sure the Chicago Mafia in Washington doesn't care either.
Jun 24, 2010 9:24am
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Jun 24, 2010 10:48 AM
Tiernan;399634 wrote:The biggest difference is the face of Katrina was the poor from the Ninth Ward, the face of the Oil Spill is rich beach-front property owners. The media doesn't give a rat's ass if somebody's $1M vacation home is now worth $100K and you can be damn sure the Chicago Mafia in Washington doesn't care either.

Wait a minute there. This disaster is way bigger than beach-front property owners losing value. There are entire towns that are suffering major economic hits from the effects of this. Not every town on the gulf shore is filled with millionaires. Even if it was, you must realize that every day working class folks are losing money because the millionaires aren't there. Add in the loss of other tourism-based industry, the fishing industry, and even the folks that worked on the oil rigs and it becomes clear that it is much more than a few millionaires having to go to Hilton Head instead of Pensacola for vacation this year.
Jun 24, 2010 10:48am
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Jun 24, 2010 11:05 AM
^^^
I agree with everything you said. I'm just pointing out that the last couple of nights watching FoX, CNN, MSN...it doesn't matter...they all had stories about beach front property owners, or folks from OK or NE or some other northern state down for vacation and how their trip was ruined. This disaster is much more devastating long term than Katrina was. Hell Katrina was just a good urban renewal plan! But the economic reverberations fom the Oil Spill will last for many years to come.
Jun 24, 2010 11:05am
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Jun 24, 2010 1:55 PM
11 dead from BP incompetence and greed was horrible
But the real cost of Katrina beyond dollars and cents seems to be forgotten or a matter of humor
Tiernan wrote:Hell Katrina was just a good urban renewal plan!
1836 dead 136 missing
http://www.hurricanekatrinarelief.com/faqs.html#What is the death toll of Hurricane Katrina
http://www.dhh.louisiana.gov/offices/page.asp?ID=192&Detail=5248
Jun 24, 2010 1:55pm
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Jun 24, 2010 2:39 PM
Tiernan;399713 wrote:^^^
I agree with everything you said. I'm just pointing out that the last couple of nights watching FoX, CNN, MSN...it doesn't matter...they all had stories about beach front property owners, or folks from OK or NE or some other northern state down for vacation and how their trip was ruined. This disaster is much more devastating long term than Katrina was. Hell Katrina was just a good urban renewal plan! But the economic reverberations fom the Oil Spill will last for many years to come.

Gotcha. I misunderstood what you were getting at.
Jun 24, 2010 2:39pm
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Jun 24, 2010 2:41 PM
isadore;399958 wrote:11 dead from BP incompetence and greed was horrible
But the real cost of Katrina beyond dollars and cents seems to be forgotten or a matter of humor

1836 dead 136 missing
http://www.hurricanekatrinarelief.com/faqs.html#What is the death toll of Hurricane Katrina
http://www.dhh.louisiana.gov/offices/page.asp?ID=192&Detail=5248

I didn't read his comment the same way you did. I saw it applying to buildings and infrastructure, not to actual people.
Jun 24, 2010 2:41pm
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Jun 24, 2010 2:59 PM
^^^
you must be new here Bulldog...you never encourage isadore, she (it?) will just go off half cocked .
Jun 24, 2010 2:59pm
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Jun 24, 2010 3:10 PM
Tiernan;400115 wrote:^^^
you must be new here Bulldog...you never encourage isadore, she (it?) will just go off half cocked .

Nah, I have been going back and forth with Izzy a lot recently. I just like the show. You can really dissect the liberal mind by getting Izzy all worked up. Just mention capitalism, Bush, Palin or Fox in a politive light and watch Izzy spew liberal -isms like a BP oil rig spewing sweet crude.
Jun 24, 2010 3:10pm
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Jun 24, 2010 3:49 PM
BCBulldog;400069 wrote:I didn't read his comment the same way you did. I saw it applying to buildings and infrastructure, not to actual people.
Interesting way to view a catastrophe, notice the infrastructure and ignore the bodies buried under it. How reflective of the reactionary mindset.
Jun 24, 2010 3:49pm
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Jun 24, 2010 4:01 PM
isadore;400210 wrote:Interesting way to view a catastrophe, notice the infrastructure and ignore the bodies buried under it. How reflective of the reactionary mindset.

Tiernan, see what I mean? LOL, right on cue.
Jun 24, 2010 4:01pm
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Jun 24, 2010 4:49 PM
isadore;399958 wrote:11 dead from BP and governmental incompetence and greed was horrible
But the real cost of Katrina beyond dollars and cents seems to be forgotten or a matter of humor

1836 dead 136 missing
http://www.hurricanekatrinarelief.com/faqs.html#What is the death toll of Hurricane Katrina
http://www.dhh.louisiana.gov/offices/page.asp?ID=192&Detail=5248

Fixed

(that was my first time ever doing that) :cool:
Jun 24, 2010 4:49pm
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Jun 24, 2010 5:47 PM
CenterBHSFan;400331 wrote:Fixed

(that was my first time ever doing that) :cool:
BP put those men on that site, BP and the people they contracted built it, operated it and directly caused those 11 deaths. Those men's blood is on them.
Jun 24, 2010 5:47pm
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Jun 26, 2010 12:45 PM
I do believe those men accepted those jobs WILLINGLY and KNOWING THE RISKS from working on such a rig -- and didn't hesitate to say yes. Mostly because those are very good paying jobs at a time when jobs (let alone those that pay well) are hard to find.

There isn't a business or industry in the world that is 100 percent safe. None. Zero. Zip.

Any of us could die on the job as a result of someone's mistake or incompetence.

That's a fact...and it's also just the way life is.

Now, does this mean you don't find out exactly what went wrong and correct it? Of course not.

But danger on the job is a fact of life that will never, ever go away so long as human beings are involved.
Jun 26, 2010 12:45pm
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isadore

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Jun 26, 2010 1:47 PM
gosh its so nice to put the blame on the victims for knowingly and willingly wanting to feed their families. they knew they were going to work on a drilling rig. i wonder if they knew that their employers were criminally in competent.
Jun 26, 2010 1:47pm
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Jun 26, 2010 2:11 PM
You can't discuss anything with libs rationally -- they can't help themselves from getting overly emotional and twisting what is actually said.

Good Job, Is, your leftist card is in very good standing.
Jun 26, 2010 2:11pm
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isadore

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Jun 26, 2010 2:35 PM
lol, gosh when someone does not accept your corporate speil then they are being irrational. Those men deserved protection from the greed motivated criminal incompetence of BP. Making a living is not a sentence of death, corporations and their officiers have responsibility for the safety of their employees. This must be the time when you now apologize to BP for my comments.
Jun 26, 2010 2:35pm