Strapping Young Lad;391660 wrote:I needed the cops one time. I had just way too much money. By the grace of God I ran stop sign in a mall parking lot and that's when a cop pulled me over and gave me fat ticket. Needless to say the heroic actions of the cop on that day saved me from going shopping and perhaps endangering myself and others by buying a new pair of shoes.

God bless the cops.

Dont run the stop sign and you wont get a ticket.

hilliardfan;391677 wrote:Lol to some people on here no matter what is posted about police officers...in their eyes, the police can do nothing right...

Lol to some people on here no matter what the videos show the police doing they can do no wrong....

Al Capone;391679 wrote:Dont run the stop sign and you wont get a ticket.

That's very profound.

hilliardfan;391677 wrote:Lol to some people on here no matter what is posted about police officers...in their eyes, the police can do nothing right...

He could of done plenty right, cuffing a teenage female and writing a ticket. Now I understand that may be very very difficult...but I think at the academy they prepared him for the challenge of cuffing someone 100lbs less than him and about 1/2 his age probably

based on personal observation and interaction
are some police officers jerks-yes
is the enforcement of some laws seemingly unfair-yes
have I been involved in extended discussions with police officers in which I was argumentative-yes on more than one occassion
do I use profanity directed at them why are you being such a prick, you know you are a complete asshole, etc.-no, not that I can remember
do I put my hands on them-no way.
do I want their job- no, they have to deal with people at their worst and they provided an invaluable service to the community
should they be given a blank check-no, but in most situations including this one, they should have the benefit of the doubt. (see above statement)

They are given a blank check though. Anytime cops are questioned or someone says they have done wrong people get all upset like "what you just want anarchy?" "they don't have time to thing, they can only react". That stuff is bullshit.

I hate that the police are a military force (a really shitty one) anymore instead of advocates for community safety and well being.

A military force really?? Don't get physical with a cop, how hard is that to understand. Matter of fact don't get physical with anyone or the same thing can and probably will happen!!

This cop had to be a rookie...Ticket for jaywalking (seriously?) And not being able to cuff a teenage girl

Fab1b;391703 wrote:A military force really?? Don't get physical with a cop, how hard is that to understand. Matter of fact don't get physical with anyone or the same thing can and probably will happen!!

I'm not advocating "getting physical" with anyone.

I just don't like that the words of police officers are treated like the factual truth.

Again I never said I believe them 100%, I am willing to hear things out with them because we the general public will never know the whole story, even behind something like this. Like I said this video cannot be used to garner an opinion from as there is alot more to where the video starts to be seen!

I'm not talking about this particular video. We don't know what happened before. Although I don't understand why he wouldn't have just arrested the people if they did something wrong. He was just pushing the girl back and forth in front of the car and never really looked like he was trying to cuff her.

The thing is people will always use that excuse. So unless people film every time they see a cop there will always be things missed. If I was watching someone being arrested I probably wouldn't film it. But if the cop started beating the shit out of someone for little reason (not talking about this video) then I'd start filming. There would still be people like you going "well we don't know what happened before".

My point being that I believe police officers while on duty should have video systems on their person and that the videos should be public record available to all. That would, imo, cut down on any actual misconduct by officers as well as false claims of misconduct.

Don't get physical w/ anyone. But how many videos can we find of cops initiate things by getting physical??? Plenty. Then unless there is a camera rolling they just get away with it. If you get physical w/ a cop he'll cuff and cage you. If a cop gets physical w/ you you can do nothing but hope someone gets it on tape. Then MAYBE something will be done.

I Wear Pants;391699 wrote:They are given a blank check though. Anytime cops are questioned or someone says they have done wrong people get all upset like "what you just want anarchy?" "they don't have time to thing, they can only react". That stuff is bullshit.

I hate that the police are a military force (a really shitty one) anymore instead of advocates for community safety and well being.

June 11, 2010
Earlier in the evening Trooper Brown had escorted a patron out of the restaurant who had refused to pay a bill. Trooper Brown was standing in the parking lot talking on his cell phone when the man returned and fatally shot him without warning.
http://www.odmp.org/officer/20416-trooper-first-class-wesley-brown
he was in a military style uniform. And he should have given the guy a flower instead escorting out of the restaurant, how belligerent of him.

Strapping Young Lad;391730 wrote:Don't get physical w/ anyone. But how many videos can we find of cops initiate things by getting physical??? Plenty. Then unless there is a camera rolling they just get away with it. If you get physical w/ a cop he'll cuff and cage you. If a cop gets physical w/ you you can do nothing but hope someone gets it on tape. Then MAYBE something will be done.

Obey the officer and there wont be no confrontation. Simple enough.

When a cop is ready to make an arrest it will be physical. They have to grab you, put you where they want you, search you, cuff you. Any resistance will bring more physical force! Now in a group or a riot or something like that, there may be beatings without arrests in those situations.

I will guarantee you that when someone is as anti-police as Strapping Young Pud is ....they currently are or have in the recent past dabbled in illegal activities, most likely drugs or petty theft. And the little shit got busted and now he's all anti-state. Gawd you little piss-ants disgust me.

fan_from_texas;391291 wrote:
This whole, "Ask, Order, Make" nonsense is disgusting. If a cop shows up and tells me to do something unreasonable, I think it's crazy that he (and apparently many people on the OC) would then consider it justified for him to use whatever force necessary to get me to comply, regardless of how reasonable/unreasonable his initial request was. If someone can't use good judgment on these issues, they shouldn't be in a uniform, carrying a gun.

That’s the problem. I am sure many low life criminals think what the cops do to them is unreasonable. if the cops showed up and everyone would disobey the cop because they thought what they were was unreasonable, nothing would get done. That is why we have court systems.

thereddragin;391322 wrote:
secondly have any of you ever tried to handcuff someone that wasn't "willing" unless you "slam them hard" its not so easy... had he slammed her hard from teh beginning then he would have been accused of excessive force by slaming her... he was trying to be easy with her so as not to use excessive force.... and he eventually got her cuffed... and if you do think it is easy to cuff someone... go by a pair have your spouse or 15yoa sister not "let" you put them on her and see if you can with out being rough.... I can promise you that there is no one that could cuff most anyone if the person doesn't let you... unless you slam them and make them...

This, it’s not as easy as you think.

ccrunner609;391549 wrote: as for the other chick that actually went after the policeman........he is wearing a gun on his side and I am sure that he is trained to protect his sidearm at all times because if someone contacts him they could get his gun and then he is fucked. He doesnt know what she is trying to do, if he feels she is reaching for his belt he probably could of tased or even shot her and he wouldnt of got in trouble. Getting punched in the face is probably the least he could of done to her and it obviously worked, she left him alone after that.

nailed it. His gun is completely exposed while he is trying to subdue/cuff this girl. Things could have gotten deadly had she went for the gun.

I Wear Pants;391585 wrote:No they don't. They get an internal investigation which finds that there is not significant enough proof that the officer acted against policy/did any wrongdoing.

you fail
http://www.vindy.com/news/2010/jun/11/more-discipline-expected-ypd-case-involving-parapl/

bartsimpson;391601 wrote:Wow, some of you idiots think that this is ok? What the hell are you guys smoking? The girls were no threat to him, yet he stepped up and popped her in the face. The cop should be charged with assault, just as anyone else would who did the same thing.

refer to ccrunner’s post. She could have easily grabbed his gun. She was a threat.

Strapping Young Lad;391636 wrote:No not you Fab, I was talking to ccrunner.

That one girl was bigger than the cop but he still had the strength adv. And even if you don't have the size or strength advantage you should be able to take someone out w/ striking them in the face. I'm sure they teach you how to do that stuff in cop school.

No matter how he takes her down, someone is going to complain. There is no nice way of taking someone to the ground etc.

Just to clarify, you think that no matter what a police officer says...it should be obeyed?

^ no I don't think or believe what they say 100% of the time. Yes I will obey their orders, I may verbally disagree but I will obey and not resist or move if ordered too whatever. I disagree with their actions, commands, etc...we can deal with it in court. I am not going to get myself into a situation of disobeying an officer of the law and making my situation worse.

Al Capone;391740 wrote:Obey the officer and there wont be no confrontation. Simple enough.

That's part of the problem I have with this shit. Obey, obey , obey. Obey what???? Anything and everything that some cop decides he wants you to do??? You think there are no instances of a cop abusing his power when no crime is actually committed. GTFO. That badge means absolutely nothing at all to me. I have zero respect for authority and I don't expect nor ever want to have authority over someone else. It's the most backward concept, yet we just accept it. The idea that you have to obey anything a cop tells you is the kind of ideas that lead oppression. That's good in yourwarped mind but not my reality.

People also need to get a clue. I've broken nearly every law there is and never spent a second in jail, never even been arrested. People need to learn how to buck the system and also to pick there battles. I will continue to break laws, but refuse to let the cops and the state abuse their authority with me. In other words, I win. You lose.

The thing to do is obey, its actually the law! If you disagree and show your ass you are going to make it worse. Obey and walk away unharmed then follow the proper channels to file a complaint, etc.... or go to court!

I also already probably can guess the reply, filing a complaint will do nothing, maybe so. If some customer files a complaint against one of your employees is something always done, probably not but either way you probably won't know about it anyways!

Tiernan;391755 wrote:I will guarantee you that when someone is as anti-police as Strapping Young Pud is ....they currently are or have in the recent past dabbled in illegal activities, most likely drugs or petty theft. And the little shit got busted and now he's all anti-state. Gawd you little piss-ants disgust me.

That's a pretty broad generalization, don't you think? I'm squarely in the "be wary of the police" camp, and it's not because I've ever had any run-ins with them. It's because I've seen plenty of outrageous officer conduct going through the legal clinics at my law school. I previously walked the party line and said that you should always listen to the cops, shouldn't resist, etc. But when I actually saw the sort of stuff that occurs--on a very regular basis, and often caught on tape--it blew my mind.

I still think most cops (90%+) are good, solid people who are just doing their job. But it is undeniable that a certain segment of the population that is power-hungry gravitates toward police work (or any other para-military group). Why do you think so many serial killers are ex-cops, ex-military, etc.? It's not just random luck. It's that a certain undesirable segment of the population is drawn to the profession, which tends to make the rest of the good cops look bad.

Police abuse occurs constantly. The advent of cell phone videotaping uncovers more and more each day. While I generally agree that you should be polite to officers and comply with their reasonable requests, I don't think you should unquestioningly do everything they ask. That's how all sorts of terrible things end up happening.

Strapping Young Lad;391785 wrote:That's part of the problem I have with this shit. Obey, obey , obey. Obey what???? Anything and everything that some cop decides he wants you to do??? You think there are no instances of a cop abusing his power when no crime is actually committed. GTFO. That badge means absolutely nothing at all to me. I have zero respect for authority and I don't expect nor ever want to have authority over someone else. It's the most backward concept, yet we just accept it. The idea that you have to obey anything a cop tells you is the kind of ideas that lead oppression. That's good in yourwarped mind but not my reality.

People also need to get a clue. I've broken nearly every law there is and never spent a second in jail, never even been arrested. People need to learn how to buck the system and also to pick there battles. I will continue to break laws, but refuse to let the cops and the state abuse their authority with me. In other words, I win. You lose.

In other words, you are a low life piece of scum with nothing to add to society.

Tiernan;391755 wrote:I will guarantee you that when someone is as anti-police as Strapping Young Pud is ....they currently are or have in the recent past dabbled in illegal activities, most likely drugs or petty theft. And the little shit got busted and now he's all anti-state. Gawd you little piss-ants disgust me.

+1

fan_from_texas;391802 wrote:That's a pretty broad generalization, don't you think? I'm squarely in the "be wary of the police" camp, and it's not because I've ever had any run-ins with them. It's because I've seen plenty of outrageous officer conduct going through the legal clinics at my law school. I previously walked the party line and said that you should always listen to the cops, shouldn't resist, etc. But when I actually saw the sort of stuff that occurs--on a very regular basis, and often caught on tape--it blew my mind.

I still think most cops (90%+) are good, solid people who are just doing their job. But it is undeniable that a certain segment of the population that is power-hungry gravitates toward police work (or any other para-military group). Why do you think so many serial killers are ex-cops, ex-military, etc.? It's not just random luck. It's that a certain undesirable segment of the population is drawn to the profession, which tends to make the rest of the good cops look bad.

Police abuse occurs constantly. The advent of cell phone videotaping uncovers more and more each day. While I generally agree that you should be polite to officers and comply with their reasonable requests, I don't think you should unquestioningly do everything they ask. That's how all sorts of terrible things end up happening.

oh, no, another ACLU lawyer in the making. Tapes carefully selected to produce that result.