WebFire;391303 wrote:3. She didn't get punched for jaywalking. She got punched for resisting arrest.

She was punched for resisting being arrested for jaywalking. She's clearly in the wrong, but being clearly in the wrong doesn't justify a punch in the face. It's like the officer who tasered a woman who was 8 months pregnant because she wouldn't get out of the car when he gave her a speeding ticket. She was 100% wrong not to get out of the car and to be disruptive, etc. But that doesn't mean that it's somehow okay to taser her over something like that.

Cops get so hung up on insisting that people respect them and kowtow to them all the time. Sometimes, common sense should rule over the imposition of ego.

fan_from_texas;391308 wrote:She was punched for resisting being arrested for jaywalking. She's clearly in the wrong, but being clearly in the wrong doesn't justify a punch in the face. It's like the officer who tasered a woman who was 8 months pregnant because she wouldn't get out of the car when he gave her a speeding ticket. She was 100% wrong not to get out of the car and to be disruptive, etc. But that doesn't mean that it's somehow okay to taser her over something like that.

Cops get so hung up on insisting that people respect them and kowtow to them all the time. Sometimes, common sense should rule over the imposition of ego.

So what should the cop have done? Said "pretty please" and hope the girls stand still.

In the article, it says the cop was talking to another man for jaywalking and told the girls to come over. They wouldn't listen and began walking away while yelling at the officer. He tried to detain them...probably would have cuffed them, wrote them a ticket for jaywalking, told them to listen when he told them to stop, and then let them go. But the girls decided to up the ante.

Like I said, I don't agree with the punch in the face...but I don't necessarily disagree with it either.

I think the bigger shame is that this big tough cop couldn't control two teenage girls without having to use force.

sherm03;391312 wrote:So what should the cop have done? Said "pretty please" and hope the girls stand still.

Cuffed them immediately?

Ok people calm down and look deeper into the situation. Being a son of a cop for a long time I tend to defend cops and their actions but make no mistake about it, when they mess up I will tell you they messed up and they deserve discipline when they mess up.

Now here is my take on this. First the video starts when the action is underway. You have no idea what happened even before the video starts. When the video starts he is already trying to restrain the chick in the black shirt and she is resisting like crazy. Now the cop I believe showed either great restraint in just not hammering that girl and wrestling with her or he is incredibly weak but even that is not a true statement. You all should know when some is angry and they don't want to be held its hard to control them, whether it is a man, woman, or child! Hell those of you with young kids know that when they resist your grip they are hard to control, now take that to a grown person! Now her thug chick comes to her rescue and starts to physical tangle with the cop, now he is fighting two crazy bitches (regardless of the infraction) and he got her off of himself plain and simple! If I was him both of those bitches would have just been tazed and we would have settled it in court.

I don't care what you think you did or didn't do wrong, comply with the orders of the police and settle it in court, the moment you start resisting physically is the moment some sort of physical harm is going to come.

First off the girl who got punched isn't the one that we see getting arrested... the girl that got punched tired to stop the officer from making an arrest by coming at him and grabbing him first... then she got hit... maybe not the smartest move... but one that isn't "excessive" imo...

secondly have any of you ever tried to handcuff someone that wasn't "willing" unless you "slam them hard" its not so easy... had he slammed her hard from teh beginning then he would have been accused of excessive force by slaming her... he was trying to be easy with her so as not to use excessive force.... and he eventually got her cuffed... and if you do think it is easy to cuff someone... go by a pair have your spouse or 15yoa sister not "let" you put them on her and see if you can with out being rough.... I can promise you that there is no one that could cuff most anyone if the person doesn't let you... unless you slam them and make them...


*edit* fab1 hit it on the head.... cept for i'd have maced her not tased...

"Are you serious? Are you serious? Are you serious?" yea I'd say he was pretty fucking serious ass clown. Both girls should be arrested and the fat kid in the black shirt right on top of the action with his video phone should be arrested for wearing his shorts so low they look like pants....I hate that shit...Pull your fucking pants up.

Yeah I understad fab1's point, and without even knowing what transpired prior to the video those women seem less than sympathetic. But on the other hand this wasn't an arrest that involved a big public safety issue. Certainly if a person isn't cooperative what turns from a incident that is handled easily to one that isn't handled easily.....but that doesn't mean a punch to the face. A warning that the lack of cooperation will likely lead to the maximum penalty and a subpoena to enter their home to make the arrest if they don't want to cooperate now is better than an ugly incident such as this.

Jaywalking?! Really?!

What a fucking pig.

sjmvsfscs08;391340 wrote:Jaywalking?! Really?!

What a fucking pig.

Yea fucking pigs .....imagine someone doing the job they are hired to do. It started with jaywalking and then turned into resisting and battling with the officer and then the fat friend joins in.

Fab1b;391318 wrote:Ok people calm down and look deeper into the situation. Being a son of a cop for a long time I tend to defend cops and their actions but make no mistake about it, when they mess up I will tell you they messed up and they deserve discipline when they mess up.

Now here is my take on this. First the video starts when the action is underway. You have no idea what happened even before the video starts. When the video starts he is already trying to restrain the chick in the black shirt and she is resisting like crazy. Now the cop I believe showed either great restraint in just not hammering that girl and wrestling with her or he is incredibly weak but even that is not a true statement. You all should know when some is angry and they don't want to be held its hard to control them, whether it is a man, woman, or child! Hell those of you with young kids know that when they resist your grip they are hard to control, now take that to a grown person! Now her thug chick comes to her rescue and starts to physical tangle with the cop, now he is fighting two crazy bitches (regardless of the infraction) and he got her off of himself plain and simple! If I was him both of those bitches would have just been tazed and we would have settled it in court.

I don't care what you think you did or didn't do wrong, comply with the orders of the police and settle it in court, the moment you start resisting physically is the moment some sort of physical harm is going to come.

+1, totally agree 100%

fan_from_texas;391291 wrote:I don't follow this reasoning at all, though I'm not surprised that it comes from a teacher, which is another profession that seems to have a hard time realizing that there are appropriate levels of escalation for things. I'm shocked every time people on the OC say, "Well, if you just didn't break the law, it wouldn't have happened." To be clear, the officer could've pulled a gun and shot her, too--would that be okay, since she should be taught a lesson to unquestioningly obey authority, and her failure to do so rightfully garnered her a shot?

I understand that cops have to make split-second decisions, like most other professions. I understand that they're in volatile situations, etc. But seriously--punching a teenage girl in the face because she gets unruly after being caught jaywalking?

The level of escalation of force should be commensurate with the gravity of the crime. Here, it was uncalled for and unprofessional.

This whole, "Ask, Order, Make" nonsense is disgusting. If a cop shows up and tells me to do something unreasonable, I think it's crazy that he (and apparently many people on the OC) would then consider it justified for him to use whatever force necessary to get me to comply, regardless of how reasonable/unreasonable his initial request was. If someone can't use good judgment on these issues, they shouldn't be in a uniform, carrying a gun.

100%

^you don't know what the cop asked them to do, the video is shit it starts too late into the action to form a logical opinion of the situation.

Fab1b;391412 wrote:^you don't know what the cop asked them to do, the video is shit it starts too late into the action to form a logical opinion of the situation.

The one question I have is, why wasn't she in a kitchen making a sammich?!!?

^That's right, bitches that make sammiches don't get punched LOL kidding ladies

I love people that will defend anything a police officer does and say things like "in the heat of the moment they need to just act". This was a jaywalking stop involving some teenage girls. There was no imminent danger. Write a ticket and move on. Jaywalking isn't something that we should be arresting people for.

That said, the girls shouldn't have been being so fucking stupid and just have accepted the ticket/let him cuff them (although I don't get why the cop was just pushing them around if he was trying to arrest them instead of cuffing them. If he wasn't trying to arrest them then I don't know wtf he was doing).

The officer has gotta be gay. Guarantee it.

I would have kept punching her in the face until I broke her jaw so she would stop yelling. Man do I hate it when people keep trying to make a point that is against the law.

mths_2013;391558 wrote:The officer has gotta be gay. Guarantee it.

no he woulda slapped the girl instead of punching her.

Fab1b;391318 wrote: I don't care what you think you did or didn't do wrong, comply with the orders of the police and settle it in court, the moment you start resisting physically is the moment some sort of physical harm is going to come.

Because police would never flat out lie about events or fail to punish officers for misconduct right?

ZWICK 4 PREZ;391562 wrote:no he woulda slapped the girl instead of punching her.

He still hit a girl, that's an obvious sign.

mths_2013;391567 wrote:He still hit a girl, that's an obvious sign.

there's tons of hetero wife beaters out there.

I Wear Pants;391563 wrote:Because police would never flat out lie about events or fail to punish officers for misconduct right?

generally speaking they don't... yes you have a rogue cop here and there... but these days they are few and far between... and the ones that do exist generally end up behind bars themselves.... so everyone "SHOULD" believe that the cops are acting in good faith... cause generally they are... and if they are not they do get punished...

No they don't. They get an internal investigation which finds that there is not significant enough proof that the officer acted against policy/did any wrongdoing.