Tiernan;391824 wrote:Thats cuz you've always played second banana to the likes of Kock Rutne and Lotz as the biggest Shamrock Molesters on the OC and now here comes this feller Mooney sounding like a freakin' genius and he's the toast of the thread. Hell I might see if he wants to go watch a game with me at one of those "hundreds" of ND bars that are supposedly out there. I'd really like to know where those are located. they must be in either Shanty Town or Dago 'Ville cuz I aint seen any here in c-bus.

I've said a few times on here, there is more to college football, and life in general, than c-bus.

Automatik;391797 wrote:I'm looking for answers to these questions. Because IMO this is what it all boils down to.

"So you don't think ND joining a conference would give them a better shot at success? Also, I really don't care about their schedule. Where has that gotten them lately in terms of ACCOMPLISHMENTS?"

I gave you answers to those questions.........what the hell, let's do it again.

NO, joining a conference would not be the solution for ND and YES, their accomplishments have been minimal, both of which can be directly attributed to some TERRIBLE decisions in regards to the former AD. Good enough?

Mooney44Cards--I just want to say that you are the epitome of a true fan...you wear your allegiance to ND on your sleeve,but aren't afraid to point out a flaw when you feel one is there...I wish more OSU fans (myself included) could be more like this...well played

karen lotz;391839 wrote:I've said a few times on here, there is more to college football, and life in general, than c-bus.

C-bus is the COTU on Fall Saturdays Lotz, get used to it or better yet get part of it.

Tiernan;391865 wrote:C-bus is the COTU on Fall Saturdays Lotz, get used to it or better yet get part of it.

I was a part of it the 4.25 years I was an OSU student. That is one of the worst uses of an acronym I have ever seen.

ccrunner609;391842 wrote:ND makes all of its football decisions with their TV contract in the front of their minds. If they didnt have that they would be in a conference........end of thread, that is the only reason.

Let's see.......running Lou Holtz out of town, hiring Bob Davie, Geo O'Leary, Ty Willingham and Charlie Weis were direct decisions made because of their NBC contract?

Ohhh so you were one of those "cool guys" that always wore his ND crap into the V-club on Saturdays just to be "edgy". Did I ever beat you up? Cuz believe me we would absolutely torment little pricks like you when we saw that going on.

lol. All I could think of when I read that was

karen lotz;391696 wrote:Big if at this point.

I don't understand at all how Notre Dame can be so irrelevant yet the Big Ten has tried very hard 2 times in the last 15 years or so to get them to join.

Money.

Boy you guys sure are slow to figure out what drives college football and all this conference realignment talk nowadays. It's the same reason many people were speculating that the Big10 should take Rutgers Just like ND, the big10 would get a school with great academics that brings in a large following = $$$$. And of course, the traditional powers in the B10 are all for this because they feel like they can beat ND most years, so they get the benefit of the academics an $ ND brings in, while still feeling like they can consistently beat them.

Tiernan;391824 wrote:Thats cuz you've always played second banana to the likes of Kock Rutne and Lotz as the biggest Shamrock Molesters on the OC and now here comes this feller Mooney sounding like a freakin' genius and he's the toast of the thread. Hell I might see if he wants to go watch a game with me at one of those "hundreds" of ND bars that are supposedly out there. I'd really like to know where those are located. they must be in either Shanty Town or Dago 'Ville cuz I aint seen any here in c-bus.

WTF are you talking about? You're such a queef.


NCF-Spare me that greed/money shit because that's what all of this conference realignment is about. And everybody knows that it's all about money and nobody is really bothered by it so just save it. No school/conference is above it.

It is arrogance, a good arrogance though. I'm a domer and I'm proud. Notre Dame is different and that's what makes it so special. Nowhere else can you drop your wallet anywhere on a 1250 acre-campus and be guarenteed to have someone hunting you down to return it to you. Where else are the football players just part of the student body and everyone is family (yup no separate dorm)? Who else is a major independent that neither needs nor wants any conference in America? This May of 2010 grad will be in strong company of very upset alums if ND joins a conference. That's not the Notre Dame I know and love.

The only thing I can say about ND is whether they join a conference or not, they aren't going to beat Ohio State, and you can take that to the bank.

And by the way- ND would make more money in the Big Ten, so the idiots who are saying that ND's green greed is making this decision are wrong. ND's not as greedy as people think regardless. I have many friends that came from poor families who ND helped out greatly and made education more affordable in SB than any other school could offer. I would guess that there are just as many kids are on 20+ k scholarships a year as there are that are not, and it's all based on the student's need-- no academic merit is taken into consideration. That's where a GOOD chunk of the money goes people.

In the end who really cares if they are in a conference or not? I don't.

Now that Nebraska is in the B10 and the Pac 10 will not become a mega-conference, there is the chance that the B10 won't want ND any more. The Big 10 can play a conference championship game next year without ND.

If ND doesn't take the offensive and try to get into the Big 10 now, they might just become more irrelevant than they already are.

All I know is ND better thank Texas for stopping most of this realignment for now. If the Pac-10 would have become a 16 team league then the Big 10 and the SEC would have followed. That leaves very few non-conference games for those teams to play ND.

ccrunner609;391899 wrote:We arent discussing coaching decisions moron, we are discussing conferences and their lack of joining one. When I posted that I guess I took for granted that everyone on here had at least an IQ of 75

You'd better think again on the moron statement and thelack of an IQ........you fit the bill perfectly!

Proof.......you did post this didn't you?

ND makes all of its football decisions with their TV contract in the front of their minds.

Key word.......ALL. Go run a lap!

and it has been discussed on here that they would make MORE revenue off of the big 10 contracts than the NBC one..

Tiernan;391904 wrote:Ohhh so you were one of those "cool guys" that always wore his ND crap into the V-club on Saturdays just to be "edgy". Did I ever beat you up? Cuz believe me we would absolutely torment little pricks like you when we saw that going on.

lol this was directed at me I assume?

This is an awesome thread.

Pick6;392238 wrote:and it has been discussed on here that they would make MORE revenue off of the big 10 contracts than the NBC one..

Exactly. So maybe money isn't as important to Notre Dame as everyone on here thinks they are.

karen lotz;392248 wrote:Exactly. So maybe money isn't as important to Notre Dame as everyone on here thinks they are.

That's been made clear to alot of people questioning ND's motives in regards to remaining an independent, they obviously don't need the money and feel that conference affiliation would only reduce the value of their name brand. Of course, that's only one of many reasons ND has refused to join a conference.

rock_knutne;392256 wrote:That's been made clear to alot of people questioning ND's motives in regards to remaining an independent, they obviously don't need the money and feel that conference affiliation would only reduce the value of their name brand. Of course, that's only one of many reasons ND has refused to join a conference.

Actually the real reason is if they manned up and joined a conference they'd never win it. At least by being an independent than can schedule 8-9 powderpuffs and win about 6 of them to get to a bowl game, whereas there's no way in hell ND sniffs a bowl game in a conference. Enjoy mediocrity, must be nice going 6-6(6-7 with inevitable bowl loss should you choose to accept it) year in year out.

sleeper;392088 wrote:The only thing I can say about ND is whether they join a conference or not, I often try to suck my own dick, and you can take that to the bank.

There are a few legitimate reasons for Notre dame to remain an independent. Rivalries. Notre Dame simply could not join the Big Ten and continue to play Southern Cal, Navy, Boston College. Notre Dame also has some infrequent rivalries with Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, Miami, etc., etc. Should Notre Dame join the Big Ten, they'd be grouped with Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue so that wouldn't be a problem; they would also probably be grouped with Penn State and that has also been a rivalry so that'd work too. Is Pittsburgh joins the Big Ten that'd work too. However at the end of the day Big Ten teams in a fourteen-team conference are likely to play nine conference games (seven divisional games and two rotating crossover), that leaves a mere three OOC games, which Notre Dame would have to give to Southern Cal and probably Navy. Boston College and Stanford would be terminated from the schedule. At the end of the day Notre Dame cannot be pleased with only have one game every year to get creative with. And that's reason number two: scheduling difficulties.

The road to a National Championship would also be much harder in my opinion, so schedule strength becomes an issue. Now I will say that I don't think Notre Dame is afraid to play anybody. You're a damn fool (read: sleeper) if you think otherwise. They, like everyone else, simply don't want to play everyone all of the time. Teams like Ohio State constantly load MAC teams into their schedules because they have too many good teams as it stands. That's why the SEC is brutally tough and they schedule FCS teams like it's going out of style. It clearly would not behoove Notre Dame or improve their chances at an undefeated season if they were to have to play Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Southern Cal every year. Should they beat them, they'd end up seeing Iowa/Nebraska/Wisconsin in the Big Ten Championship. They'd also probably see one of them in the crossover rotation too. It'd be brutal for the entire conference and I'm not sure they view that as better than their current set up. Notre Dame plays a lot of solid teams as is.

There is plenty to gain though. Money is probably the biggest gain. The Big Ten Network would explode beyond anyone's dreams. It'd truly be a national network in my opinion. Now Notre Dame makes a shitload of money (which may be surprising because they've sucked as of late), but as we've all heard they'd bring in even more with the Big Ten Network.

At the end of the day all Notre Dame needs to do is win. Independent or in the Big Ten.

As for my opinion, join the fucking Big Ten already.

Every game on ND's schedule isn't a rivalry, and even the so called "rivalries" they have are entirely retarded. And yes, there are plenty of teams ND is afraid to play, and the only one on their schedule is USC(and in some years Navy apparently). I'd love to see ND schedule another top notch program, like OSU, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Penn State, Texas, Oklahoma, because we all know and even rational Domer's know, they'd get their ass handed to them by at least 2 to 3 touchdowns, year in year out.

OSU, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Penn State, Texas, Oklahoma...? Exactly sleeper, since we've beaten all of those teams the last time we've played them except Penn St and OSU, and the 06-07 series with Penn State was a split...