That isn't even close to a bang-bang play--zero excuse. There are closer calls than that in nearly every game that they get right more often than not.

Jughead;377592 wrote:Sure it was a class act to go to the locker room and tell the kid that he was sorry, but the next step for Mr. Joyce should be to step down...that call is inexcusable at any level of competition, regardless of the perfect game status.

if this wasnt a perfect game, no one would even care about the call, let alone wanting him to be fired etc.

should be suspended, not fired

Hb31187;377603 wrote:should be suspended, not fired

do they suspend every umpire whenever there is a blown call?

I'm glad the blown call happened.

Fuck that shit, as a Tribe fan I don't want to go down in history as being no hit.

Glory Days;377584 wrote:haha you cant do that. where do you draw the line then? do we then go back through every game that was ever recorded on video also?

I agree. I'd love for Gallaraga to get recognition for his perfect game, but I think it would set a bad precedent. He'll always be remembered for being robbed of a perfect game by a blown call on the final out, which in essence, means he did pitch a perfect game.

Glory Days;377601 wrote:if this wasnt a perfect game, no one would even care about the call, let alone wanting him to be fired etc.

Yeah, but what's your point? There is many times that certain instances in games don't mean much, but when they happen in historical occurences, IE Championship games or perfect games, they are a big deal.

hoops23;377611 wrote:I'm glad the blown call happened.

Fuck that shit, as a Tribe fan I don't want to go down in history as being no hit.

This is why you Cleveland fans are cursed with teams that disappoint to no end. (sarcasm)

Seriously though, c'mon, you can't like seeing a guy get robbed on a bad call and being only the 21st pitcher to do something in 141 years, can you? I mean Cleveland is remembered for everything else:

Jose Mesa blowing the Series, The Drive, The Fumble, The Pass, The Shot. Might as well add a perfect game to that resume.

dwccrew;377618 wrote:

This is why you Cleveland fans are cursed with teams that disappoint to no end. (sarcasm)

Seriously though, c'mon, you can't like seeing a guy get robbed on a bad call and being only the 21st pitcher to do something in 141 years, can you? I mean Cleveland is remembered for everything else:

Jose Mesa blowing the Series, The Drive, The Fumble, The Pass, The Shot. Might as well add a perfect game to that resume.

Yep, we're cursed because of shit I type on an internet message board. Fuck outta here.

We've been shit on as a sports city for far too long, it's about fucking time the shoe is on the other foot.

hoops23;377629 wrote:Yep, we're cursed because of shit I type on an internet message board. Fuck outta here.

We've been shit on as a sports city for far too long, it's about fucking time the shoe is on the other foot.

The difference is this wasn't because of the players, it was because of a bad call by an ump. Difference in curses.

And I wasn't serious. I guess I'd be sensitive if I was a Cleveland fan too.

dwccrew;377671 wrote:The difference is this wasn't because of the players, it was because of a bad call by an ump. Difference in curses.

And I wasn't serious. I guess I'd be sensitive if I was a Cleveland fan too.

Fucking right I'm a Cleveland fan.. Title or not title, always will be. And I know you weren't "serious" because you claimed sarcasm in the post.

Who do you root for?

dwccrew;377618 wrote: Yeah, but what's your point? There is many times that certain instances in games don't mean much, but when they happen in historical occurences, IE Championship games or perfect games, they are a big deal.

my point is people are letting the emotion of the perfect game cloud their opinion when they are calling for the umpire to be fired. the umpire did not make this call on purpose or anything like that. you have to treat it just like any other blown call.

I'm a Tribe fan also,but they're pathetic...Galarraga would have went down in history as having thrown a perfecto against a AAA-caliber team...

Jim Joyce made a mistake,a HUGE mistake--but he's an excellent umpire...btw,I wonder if he was taken off the crew for today's 1:00 Indians/Tigers game??

vball10set;377744 wrote:.btw,I wonder if he was taken off the crew for today's 1:00 Indians/Tigers game??

He is supposed to be behind the plate today. I did read somebody posted on Facebook that he has been removed-but can't find confirmation of that. I would imagine the fans will be unmerciful if he works the plate today.

^^^you'd have to think of it as a safety precaution as well--there's some crazy people out there!!!

Congrats to the Tiger pitcher for his CG 1-hit shut out. Thanks to the ump for not letting the Tribe get perfect no-no'ed. Time to move on.

I think this is the worst call in the last 25 years:

He shouldn't be fired, he shouldn't be suspended...but he will go down as the ump who made the worst blown call in baseball history.

Nothing should happen to this ump. If this call is made in the second inning or in any other game, no one really complains too much about it. That being said, it is absolutely the right thing for Major League Baseball to do to come out and retroactively call the hitter out and award Galarraga his perfect game. Clearly the kid pitched a perfect game and he earned that perfect game. It's a tragedy for the sport if he's not rewarded and recognized for what he did, especially with the graceful and classy way he handled the situation.

krambman;377793 wrote:Nothing should happen to this ump. If this call is made in the second inning or in any other game, no one really complains too much about it. That being said, it is absolutely the right thing for Major League Baseball to do to come out and retroactively call the hitter out and award Galarraga his perfect game. Clearly the kid pitched a perfect game and he earned that perfect game. It's a tragedy for the sport if he's not rewarded and recognized for what he did, especially with the graceful and classy way he handled the situation.

Yes and no, if that happens in the second inning the media reaction wouldn't have been severe (if not non-existent), but I could see a manager or player getting tossed by arguing more. Leyland and Cabrera should be credited for letting Galarraga have his moment instead of making a scene.

Now Cleveland can be a part of one of the biggest botched calls in baseball history. You'll always have that.

Manhattan Buckeye;377798 wrote:Yes and no, if that happens in the second inning the media reaction wouldn't have been severe (if not non-existent), but I could see a manager or player getting tossed by arguing more. Leyland and Cabrera should be credited for letting Galarraga have his moment instead of making a scene.

That's true. And if that happened in the second inning and it was still the only hit he gave up, it would still be the same situation (only hit came because of a botched call), but it wouldn't seem like as big a deal because it happened in the second instead of the next-to-last out of the game. Even if the call isn't corrected by MLB, if I'm the Tigers, I'd still list it as a perfect game in our record books, much like Stanford still lists the famous "band is on the field" game as a win in theirs.

The timing of the call changes the entire perception of the whole situation. Guys have thrown 1 hitters or 2 hitters plenty of times, but to lose a perfect game on the 27th out on that call deserves all the attention it is getting. Changing the call does not change anything from the game, score remains the same and Armando gets what he earned last night. He has handled the whole thing with so much class and humility that he is earning himself a ton of fans around baseball.

if you say that wasnt a close/tough call you are an idiot....the umpire shouldnt be suspended at all. he made a mistake but those type of plays are the toughest kinds for the umps....if that throw comes from across the diamond then you do get the BANG BANG effect...and its easy to tell exactly when the first basemen touches and controls the ball....i

n this case the ball was lobbed to the guy covering and he clumsily ice cream coned it......the ump wasnt in great position, which didnt help but he has to be able to look at the base for the feet of the guy covering as well as the runner and actually look for the control of the ball instead of having extra sensory information of the sound. he wasnt in a good postion he got caught too close to the play and didnt have a great view of the glove. on replay it looks simple but in real time thats a tough call. imo

that being said what an idiot for not calling it the other way if its close

Apparently a lot of sports reporters and former players are idiots. That wasn't a close call at the professional ranks. If it is a little league game with a 20 year old umping, sure it is a close call for them, but not at the MLB level.

I'll repeat this one more time, the Indians runner KNEW he was out, you could tell by his reaction. If a baserunner knows he's out, it isn't close. There was never a moment when the runner got ahead of Galarraga,even watching on real time.

To everyone saying he should be fired..

If you make a mistake at your job where there is expected to be mistakes everyday...are you instantly fired?

he certainly made a bad call.....but 99 percent of the time they get it right....all those people are watching a replay.....it may have looked like he was out/safe whatever but until any of them saw the replay i bet they wouldnt say they were "100 percent" sure.