lebron hold the ball for 18 seconds a play that is beyond dominating the ball

thedynasty1998 wrote:

SQ_Crazies wrote: It's dumb because it's dumb. Team USA is a whole team of guys that dominate the ball. The Boston Celtics have 3 guys that had entire careers that revolved around dominating the ball. How'd both of those work out?

And I figured you wouldn't tell me anything I didn't already know regarding Noah/Beasley. You're entitled to your opinion, still Beasley>Noah. I'd even make a case for Haslem>Noah.

10 games in the Olympics is completely different than an 82 game regular season where guys are trying to make money, sell their image and impress friends. Just a horrible argument.

And your second argument regarding Boston is equally as bad. Just because someone is the best player on a team doesn't mean they dominate the ball. You do understand the difference right? Well maybe I'm giving you too much credit. Pierce is a scorer, but doesn't necessarily dominate the ball. Garnett is more known for his defense and scores on the block, obviously doesn't dominate the ball. Ray Allen is a shooter who comes off screens, obviously doesn't dominate the ball.

Guys like Lebron and Wade dominate the ball. It's always in their hands because not only are they scorers (think Pierce), but they are also setup men. They both create with the ball in their hands rather than scoring coming off screens (Allen), and are not back to the basket guys (Garnett).

I'm wondering how much basketball knowledge you really have when you make comments like that.


And please do explain how Haslem is as good as Noah?

Ohhh boy. Ok.

10 games in the Olympics IS different than 82 games--basically, you have 72 more games to mesh as teammates. And we're talking 2 guys that like to dominate the ball--rather than an entire roster full of them.

The Celtics is dumb? Really? Ok.
KG: His 4 lowest years in terms of FGA's were his rookie season and his 3 seasons with boston. Before that, as a post guy, he averaged between 15-19 FGA for most of his career.
Allen: Since joining the C's, Allen's FGA's have been dropped off to about 13 a game. His lowest since he was in his early 20's. Before joining the C's, he was averaging about 20 shots a game for the Sonics in the 3 years prior.
Pierce: well...do you see the pattern yet because it's the same thing with him.

That's 3 All-Star, HOF players hooking up and making it happen. D-Wade and LeBron have a good relationship already, experience of playing together for team USA already (and playing well), both are willing and able passers and are very team oriented guys and both want to win badly. And we're talking 2 guys right now--not 3. That's why it's dumb. And for reference: LeBron averages about 20 shots a game career, and D-Wade about 18. And LeBron and D-Wade together combine for a higher career assist average than Pierce, Allen and Garnett do combined.

And I'm done arguing with you about Noah. You think he's better than Varejao, I should have just stopped right there.

You used examples of players getting less shots as proof of guys who dominate the ball working together? Poor argument! Like I said, there's a difference from being the best player on a team and dominating the ball. Maybe you will understand that one day. Guys adapting to a new role and getting less shots is one thing, a superstar player in his prime who dominates the ball is completely different.


So because you made a dumb comment you are going to stop? Please explain how Haslem is as good as Noah.......

Wow dude. I'm not even trying to waste time arguing with you anymore. People call me an arrogant jackass? Here's a guy who comes in and says that no one can question his basketball intellect and then spouts off saying that some NBA team requested tape of him with no proof.

Yet he thinks that D-Wade and LeBron together would be a disaster. But you can't question his basketball intellect!

I know that FGA's aren't all that goes into dominating the ball, but if you can't see how they could come together to play well on the same team then I refuse to waste time arguing with you. You tell me I have a poor argument, at least I have a fucking argument. This is you: make a blanket statement, followed by an observation of how each guy plays the game without being on the same roster....intelligent.

SQ_Crazies wrote: Yet he thinks that D-Wade and LeBron together would be a disaster.

I know that FGA's aren't all that goes into dominating the ball, but if you can't see how they could come together to play well on the same team then I refuse to waste time arguing with you. You tell me I have a poor argument, at least I have a fucking argument. This is you: make a blanket statement, followed by an observation of how each guy plays the game without being on the same roster....intelligent.

First off, I never said that Lebron and Wade would be a disaster. However, both guys know that they dominate the ball and just wouldn't do it. Their ego's are too big.

And I don't even know what your last sentence means? I said Noah is better than Beasley and provided some stats and my opinion when asked. You say Haslem is better than Noah and refuse to justify it. Yet I'm making blanket statements?

thedynasty1998 wrote: Wade and Lebron just don't fit, IMO. They both need the ball in their hands too much.

Blanket statement. No real basis for saying it and no real argument to back it up. Even though there is evidence to say otherwise, you even refute that. All you say is poor argument! And that they dominate the ball too much. Which I said was just an observation made from their play without being on the same roster...which is irrelevant.

I love how you go back and edit your blanket statement about Haslem.

I never will buy into this "ego" argument. It takes another star around you, period. They know that much. If they don't team up it's because they hooked up with another star. In terms of Miami, that's pretty much all I hear. LeBron's ego is too big to go to Miami because it's Wade's team and he needs to be the franchise guy. All I have to say about that sentiment is this-- Sure, it's Wade's team... but this is LBJ's world, end of discussion. It won't be his ego that keeps him out of Miami. It'll be his loyalty to Cleveland, or a better perceived team.

thedynasty1998 wrote: I love how you go back and edit your blanket statement about Haslem.

Huh?