All three of those...plus if he goes into Cleveland...I think he will be thinking he is taking a step down.

Not really, he'd be taking a step up for 20 million a year--though I understand what you're saying. And I agree with what you mean, though that's based on right now--could potentially change.

I understand also SQ

I just think he'll go to Chicago because he still owns a condo there...Jordan has already called him telling him he should go back..and he has the chance to get both Chris Paul(rumor from NO station) and Lebron James.

Hmm, I'd be more shocked to see them get CP3 than the Cavs.

^^^

As would I...just a rumor going around..I still dont think CP gets dealt

gilbert was complaining about the payroll this year brown was making 4.5 mil a year and he is gonna bring in a coach and add 15.5 mil to it lol

2quik4u wrote: gilbert was complaining about the payroll this year brown was making 4.5 mil a year and he is gonna bring in a coach and add 15.5 mil to it lol

I don't think anyone on here would disagree that Phil Jackson is worth $15.5 million more dollars than Mike Brown.

Plus keeping LeBron in Cleveland has a bigger financial impact for Gilbert.

Chicago

2quik4u wrote: gilbert was complaining about the payroll this year brown was making 4.5 mil a year and he is gonna bring in a coach and add 15.5 mil to it lol

When Windy says that the 20 million dollar figure came from Gilbert's mouth, then I'd say it's legit. Gilbert is set to lose exponentially more cash than 15.5 million if LeBron leaves.

My rec league team. We'd wave his fees, he can't pass that shit up.

2quik4u wrote: gilbert was complaining about the payroll this year brown was making 4.5 mil a year and he is gonna bring in a coach and add 15.5 mil to it lol

Source where Gilbert was "complaining" about payroll?

His press conference a week ago contradicted your statement.

He basically said he has no problem spending the money, because "You have to spend it to make it" and "winning makes you more money than losing".

Besides, you guys think Dan Gilbert, a billionaire, cares about spending? Especially when all the money doesn't even come out of his pocket?

That's the beauty of having multiple ownership partners, including the big chinese investment group who owns a big chunk.


Oh, and Phil Jackson to Chicago is NOT happening. Phil squashed that yesterday by saying he "has no desire to coach in Chicago, at all.." He didn't however commit to the Lakers.

Doesn't Jackson have some bad blood with Chicago?


On the topic though : Cleveland.

If the Nets would have landed the #1 pick, I may have said the Nets.

I really think it is down to Cleveland and Chicago for LBJ.

Why is Chicago getting so much press and not somewhere like Miami?

D-Wade>Rose
Beasley>Noah

And isn't the supporting case that is already in place the big selling point for Chi-town? D-Wade is clearly better than Rose and Beasley is considerably better than Noah, and considerably younger too. And then there is Cleveland, who they CLEARLY try to cover as little as possible.

Oh wait, because we started in NYC and everyone caught on to that being BS, we have downgraded to Chicago, so whenever they realize he won't go to Chi-town, they'll switch their focus to a smaller market like Miami. LOL, but no one else wants to believe ESPN is being strategic about this. They just want to say ESPN can't decided where LeBron wants to go for him and all this and that. Well, no one believed Hitler could brainwash all those people either, he did it by telling them the same shit over and over and over again. Not to mention, not only does ESPN maximize their profits off of LeBron in a bigger market, the more cities they can get going crazy right now the more money they're making. And I'm not saying it's stupid--I'm all about making money, if I were runnin' ESPN we'd be doing the same thing. I'm just saying what I've been saying for a few years (and I could be wrong, but we'll see), that all signs point to Cleveland yet so many of you ignore that because of what you hear on ESPN. You need to learn to sift through the BS. A big contingent around here seems to think I'm constantly wrong these days--watch and write down things you hear on ESPN for a few days and wait and see what happens. You'll find that many of the things you hear on there and take as gold, is just a bunch of BS holding no more merit than a lot of the conversation that goes on here. You need to start using your brains and learn to decipher what is news and what isn't. So many people think that whatever they hear on there is gold--and ESPECIALLY in the last few years, that couldn't be further from the truth. Advances in the internet have made ESPN more of a rumor mill than they ever have been.

It's irresponsible "journalism" and I'll be damned if I'm the only one who sees it.

Wade and Lebron just don't fit, IMO. They both need the ball in their hands too much.

And I would also argue that Noah is better than Beasley.

thedynasty1998 wrote: Wade and Lebron just don't fit, IMO. They both need the ball in their hands too much.

And I would also argue that Noah is better than Beasley.

Saying Wade and LeBron don't fit is just dumb.

And I invite you to present your argument of Noah over Beasley. It better include something I don't already know, or else you'll never convince me that Noah is the better player as of now.

hoops23 wrote:

2quik4u wrote: gilbert was complaining about the payroll this year brown was making 4.5 mil a year and he is gonna bring in a coach and add 15.5 mil to it lol

Source where Gilbert was "complaining" about payroll?

His press conference a week ago contradicted your statement.

He basically said he has no problem spending the money, because "You have to spend it to make it" and "winning makes you more money than losing".

Besides, you guys think Dan Gilbert, a billionaire, cares about spending? Especially when all the money doesn't even come out of his pocket?

That's the beauty of having multiple ownership partners, including the big chinese investment group who owns a big chunk.


Oh, and Phil Jackson to Chicago is NOT happening. Phil squashed that yesterday by saying he "has no desire to coach in Chicago, at all.." He didn't however commit to the Lakers.

it was after game 5 where he said he was spending over 100 mil on this years team. A man that doesn't mind spending that kinda money wouldnt say anything about it.

LOL, do you really not realize that you're taking him out of context?

SQ_Crazies wrote: Why is Chicago getting so much press and not somewhere like Miami?

D-Wade>Rose
Beasley>Noah

And isn't the supporting case that is already in place the big selling point for Chi-town? D-Wade is clearly better than Rose and Beasley is considerably better than Noah, and considerably younger too. And then there is Cleveland, who they CLEARLY try to cover as little as possible.

Oh wait, because we started in NYC and everyone caught on to that being BS, we have downgraded to Chicago, so whenever they realize he won't go to Chi-town, they'll switch their focus to a smaller market like Miami. LOL, but no one else wants to believe ESPN is being strategic about this. They just want to say ESPN can't decided where LeBron wants to go for him and all this and that. Well, no one believed Hitler could brainwash all those people either, he did it by telling them the same shit over and over and over again. Not to mention, not only does ESPN maximize their profits off of LeBron in a bigger market, the more cities they can get going crazy right now the more money they're making. And I'm not saying it's stupid--I'm all about making money, if I were runnin' ESPN we'd be doing the same thing. I'm just saying what I've been saying for a few years (and I could be wrong, but we'll see), that all signs point to Cleveland yet so many of you ignore that because of what you hear on ESPN. You need to learn to sift through the BS. A big contingent around here seems to think I'm constantly wrong these days--watch and write down things you hear on ESPN for a few days and wait and see what happens. You'll find that many of the things you hear on there and take as gold, is just a bunch of BS holding no more merit than a lot of the conversation that goes on here. You need to start using your brains and learn to decipher what is news and what isn't. So many people think that whatever they hear on there is gold--and ESPECIALLY in the last few years, that couldn't be further from the truth. Advances in the internet have made ESPN more of a rumor mill than they ever have been.

It's irresponsible "journalism" and I'll be damned if I'm the only one who sees it.

so u just gonna act like deng and hinrich arent on the team

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were strictly talking about the "core".

You going to act like Chalmers, Cook, Haslem and Wright aren't on the Heat? Didn't know we were discussing role players all of a sudden. Oh that's right, we weren't you just had to find some way to debate me because it would kill you to agree.

SQ_Crazies wrote:

thedynasty1998 wrote: Wade and Lebron just don't fit, IMO. They both need the ball in their hands too much.

And I would also argue that Noah is better than Beasley.

Saying Wade and LeBron don't fit is just dumb.

And I invite you to present your argument of Noah over Beasley. It better include something I don't already know, or else you'll never convince me that Noah is the better player as of now.

Why is it dumb? They both dominate the ball, therefore, if on the same team, only one can dominate the ball.

I think Noah has more of a defined position in the NBA and Beasley will always be a tweener which makes it difficult for him to succeed.
Noah averaged 11 ppg, 11 rpg and 1.5 bpg
Beasley averaged 15 ppg, 6 rpg and .6 bpg

I'll never argue that Noah is a better offensive player, but he only averaged 4 points less per game, while being a much better defender.

Beasley is almost a liability defensively.

It's dumb because it's dumb. Team USA is a whole team of guys that dominate the ball. The Boston Celtics have 3 guys that had entire careers that revolved around dominating the ball. How'd both of those work out?

And I figured you wouldn't tell me anything I didn't already know regarding Noah/Beasley. You're entitled to your opinion, still Beasley>Noah. I'd even make a case for Haslem>Noah. Only thing that could put Noah above Haslem IMO is that he MAY have POTENTIAL to be more than a role player--but it's a big IF.

But you think Noah is better than Varejao too, so there is really no sense in trying to argue this with you.

I think Beasley has more potential, but if I'm starting a team I'm not sure who I take. I guess it depends what's around. I'd rather the Heat have Noah right now since they're targeting some nice PF's. Beasley is a liability on defense, but he showed great improvement this year by the way he played. His stats didn't jump off the chart, but he became smarter. He still has a long way to go, but 15/6 ain't too shabby for a 'bust'.

I think there will come a time when Miami gets talked about more. Right now, I'd say it's the Cavs 40%, Miami 20%, Chicago 20%, NY 15%, and Nets 5%. The Cavs are the favorite, but I might take the field. Way too early though since postseason is going on.

Oh yeah, speaking of Wade and LBJ together.. they'd be fiiiiine. They both dominate the ball because they pretty much have to. TRUST ME, Wade does NOT want to dominate the ball. He's made remarks time after time about it. Look at the Olympics. Wade was NASTY and he barely ever dominated the ball. LBJ could still be the point forward and Wade could work off the ball. On the defensive side is what excites me most. Putting two of the top 7-8 defenders in the league together... you better have a GREAT post game, because you might be shooting 30% from 10ft out all night.

Agreed jpake, it's about how they fit with a certain team, that's the most important thing for any player. But just base level this guy vs. that guy it's definitely Beasley>Noah.

SQ_Crazies wrote: It's dumb because it's dumb. Team USA is a whole team of guys that dominate the ball. The Boston Celtics have 3 guys that had entire careers that revolved around dominating the ball. How'd both of those work out?

And I figured you wouldn't tell me anything I didn't already know regarding Noah/Beasley. You're entitled to your opinion, still Beasley>Noah. I'd even make a case for Haslem>Noah.

10 games in the Olympics is completely different than an 82 game regular season where guys are trying to make money, sell their image and impress fans. Just a horrible argument.

And your second argument regarding Boston is equally as bad. Just because someone is the best player on a team doesn't mean they dominate the ball. You do understand the difference right? Well maybe I'm giving you too much credit. Pierce is a scorer, but doesn't necessarily dominate the ball. Garnett is more known for his defense and scores on the block, obviously doesn't dominate the ball. Ray Allen is a shooter who comes off screens, obviously doesn't dominate the ball.

Guys like Lebron and Wade dominate the ball. It's always in their hands because not only are they scorers (think Pierce), but they are also setup men. They both create with the ball in their hands rather than scoring coming off screens (Allen), and are not back to the basket guys (Garnett).

I'm wondering how much basketball knowledge you really have when you make comments like that.


And please do explain how Haslem is as good as Noah?