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May 22, 2010 4:53 PM
like_that wrote: Can someone please show a link where it shows the cavs are pursuing CP3?
It was a rumor by W&G on RCF.. He's been legit for years in terms of calling things, which is why he's got such a good reputation on that site.

Dan Gilbert also said "Don't expect me to sit on my hands while other teams try and steal my franchise player."
May 22, 2010 4:53pm
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IggyPride00 wrote:
But I'd imagine NO would want JJ too because of his youth. But Andy is the better player.
Andy has one of the worst contracts in the NBA. Alot of years and alot of money for a guy that is a good defender off the bench.
But yet, Andy continues to be a coveted asset to many other teams trade inquiries, past and present. Andy is worth the money he is paid.

The only thing that slowed him down in the playoffs were severe back spasms.
May 22, 2010 4:54pm
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May 22, 2010 4:54 PM
Excuse my ignorance, but what is W&G on RCF?
May 22, 2010 4:54pm
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May 22, 2010 4:56 PM
It's a poster who goes by "Wine & Gold" on the Cavs site Realcavsfan.com
May 22, 2010 4:56pm
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May 22, 2010 4:56 PM
like_that wrote: Excuse my ignorance, but what is W&G on RCF?
Some people say its windhorst, but he's basically the guy that everyone trusts with information. He's called things before they've even happened on numerous occassions(Shaq trade, Jamison, Mo williams deal, etc..)
May 22, 2010 4:56pm
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May 22, 2010 4:59 PM
Oh, so what is Bill Cowhers house in strongsville saying?
May 22, 2010 4:59pm
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May 22, 2010 5:07 PM
like_that wrote: Oh, so what is Bill Cowhers house in strongsville saying?
:huh:

What does that have to do with anything?

That comment would be better fit with the "LeBron was house shopping in Chicago" comment -- even though he was in Cleveland/Akron that entire week.
May 22, 2010 5:07pm
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May 22, 2010 5:12 PM
It means just like the how the cowher rumors were bullshit, these rumors are just the same.... bullshit
May 22, 2010 5:12pm
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May 22, 2010 5:14 PM
like_that wrote: It means just like the how the cowher rumors were bullshit, these rumors are just the same.... bullshit
Isn't every rumor bullshit until proven otherwise?

I mean, the source we're quoting isn't some random dude looking for a home run of a prediction, he's a pretty established guy on that site and like Sleeper said, has called MANY things before they've happened in the past.
May 22, 2010 5:14pm
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May 22, 2010 5:17 PM
I dont see a true point guard working with lebrons play, because lebron dominates the ball so much.
May 22, 2010 5:17pm
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May 22, 2010 5:20 PM
2quik4u wrote: I dont see a true point guard working with lebrons play, because lebron dominates the ball so much.
People say this, but LeBron never really dominated the ball in high school. Dru Joyce ran that offense and LeBron worked off the ball.

LeBron either needs to fully play the PG position, or the Cavs need to get a true PG.

And what I mean by truly playing the PG position, I mean by starting at the 1, running the offense, and NOT standing at the top of the key for 19 seconds before making a decision.

He should be able to average 25/13 as a fulltime PG, easily.
May 22, 2010 5:20pm
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May 22, 2010 5:27 PM
If they could get CP3, that would be a steal. I don't care what it takes, Ferry better do it, even if it includes BOTH big guys. Then just go to another team strapped for cash and buy one of their big men
May 22, 2010 5:27pm
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May 22, 2010 5:58 PM
NO is not going to trade CP3. Peja's massive deal comes off the books after this year, which is their big cap albatross right now. If they want to trade anyone it is Okafor, who has one of the worst contracts in NBA history.

Besides, some of you guys make no sense. If they were really looking for financial relief in a CP3 deal, they would never take back the 5 years and nearly $45 million Andy is still owed. Not to mention they already have a more expensive version of Andy in Okafor who has a massive long term deal.

When people invent rumors they should at least make them realistic, as there are no scenarios in which it makes sense on NO part to trade CP3 to the Cavs assuming they had a gun to their head and absolutely had to move him. Which they don't. Their financial outlook gets much better after this coming year, which is why the urgency that maybe existed at one time to move him is now gone.
May 22, 2010 5:58pm
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May 22, 2010 6:13 PM
Has that much conversation really been wasted on a Chris Paul deal? It's not happening.
May 22, 2010 6:13pm
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May 22, 2010 6:49 PM
hoops23 wrote:
like_that wrote: Can someone please show a link where it shows the cavs are pursuing CP3?
It was a rumor by W&G on RCF.. He's been legit for years in terms of calling things, which is why he's got such a good reputation on that site.

Dan Gilbert also said "Don't expect me to sit on my hands while other teams try and steal my franchise player."
W&G is not reliable at all anymore. Windy is a much better source. About the only thing that W&G got right was Mo Williams. I think I am as much of an insider as he is....and I get my NBA knowledge off of NBA 2k10.:D
May 22, 2010 6:49pm
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May 22, 2010 7:53 PM
IggyPride00 wrote: NO is not going to trade CP3. Peja's massive deal comes off the books after this year, which is their big cap albatross right now. If they want to trade anyone it is Okafor, who has one of the worst contracts in NBA history.

Besides, some of you guys make no sense. If they were really looking for financial relief in a CP3 deal, they would never take back the 5 years and nearly $45 million Andy is still owed. Not to mention they already have a more expensive version of Andy in Okafor who has a massive long term deal.

When people invent rumors they should at least make them realistic, as there are no scenarios in which it makes sense on NO part to trade CP3 to the Cavs assuming they had a gun to their head and absolutely had to move him. Which they don't. Their financial outlook gets much better after this coming year, which is why the urgency that maybe existed at one time to move him is now gone.
Who mentioned Andy as a part of the CP3 deal? We were jsut saying Andy could be a trade piece because he's coveted by teams.

some of you guys need to read a bit better.

The popular belief is that CP3 WILL be shopped. NO has Darren Collison who played REALLY well for a rookie. When CP3's contract is up, it's unlikely NO signs him again, so they're looking for get pieces for him.

The financial situation isn't just with the cap, it's with the ownership period. NO has been operating in the red for the last couple of seasons and the attendance isn't there to support the current payroll. It goes beyond "who's coming off the books after next season" with the current regime. It's about saving as much money as possible NOW.
May 22, 2010 7:53pm
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May 22, 2010 8:06 PM
Anyone who thinks CP3 won't be in some legit trade talks is going to be wrong.
May 22, 2010 8:06pm
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May 22, 2010 8:08 PM
I quit reading after I saw "Andy is coveted by other teams".
May 22, 2010 8:08pm
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May 22, 2010 8:09 PM
thedynasty1998 wrote: I quit reading after I saw "Andy is coveted by other teams".
I've never fully understood the obsession with Varejao either.
May 22, 2010 8:09pm
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May 22, 2010 8:12 PM
thedynasty1998 wrote: I quit reading after I saw "Andy is coveted by other teams".
Then that just shows your ignorance.

Which doesn't surprise me.
May 22, 2010 8:12pm
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May 22, 2010 8:27 PM
AV is definitely wanted by some teams....not sure why though. I think he has reached his ceiling.
May 22, 2010 8:27pm
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May 22, 2010 9:08 PM
Who wants him, and why?

He has reached his potential, with his style of play, he will drop off quicker than most, he's undersized, can't score and has a bad contract.

Show me otherwise, to prove I'm the one that's ignorant.
May 22, 2010 9:08pm
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May 22, 2010 9:23 PM
thedynasty1998 wrote: Who wants him, and why?

He has reached his potential, with his style of play, he will drop off quicker than most, he's undersized, can't score and has a bad contract.

Show me otherwise, to prove I'm the one that's ignorant.
Verajou is a dynamite NBA player. Period. He played like shit for the first time against Boston. Why? Because he was hurt.

His FG percentage is high. His rebounds per minute is very high. He was a tremendous defensive player all year. He was second in the NBA for 6th man award.

And the final nail in your argument is that AV ranked in the top 3 all year in the plus/minus category. Think about that. The top 3 in plus/minus all season.

AV is underpayed...not overpaid.

Anybody that doesn't understand the value if AV, doesn't understand basketball....at all.
May 22, 2010 9:23pm
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May 22, 2010 9:26 PM
jordo212000 wrote:
thedynasty1998 wrote: I quit reading after I saw "Andy is coveted by other teams".
I've never fully understood the obsession with Varejao either.
Why? Numbers don't lie. The guy is a friggin beast.
May 22, 2010 9:26pm
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May 22, 2010 9:29 PM
I don't buy into the plus minus argument. The fact that he's in the top 3 is the only argument I need to prove its value.

I think he plays hard and is a solid rebounder.

I don't think he's as good of a defender as many seem to think.

And the 6th man award thing was more of a reward to the Cavs having the best record. Plus, he's a bench player. That's why I don't think he's highly coveted, because best case scenario he's a good 6th man that brings energy off the bench.
May 22, 2010 9:29pm