kritzell wrote:

Shane Falco wrote:

kritzell wrote:

Shane Falco wrote:

j_crazy wrote: I try to stay away from Murphy/Walmart (cheap/poor quality), Citgo, and Chevron (because they import a lot of oil from Venezuela).

I prefer Shell or BP gasoline (think it burns better/cleaner). I always by Sunoco when I can (US owned, NO imported oil. I love that).

Sorry, But the trucks that drop gas at WallyWorld, Kroger, Meijer, Circle K, Fuel Mart, etc, load at the same Rack/Terminal as the trucks that drop at Sunoco, BP, Marathon, etc.

I have loaded my truck at a Marathon rack, and the guy in front of me is headed to a Sams, and the guy loading behind me is headed to a Kroger.
I can load at a Sunoco terminal with guys headed to a BP and with Marathon trucks loading right behind them headed to a Marathon station. Same with a BP terminal, a Husky terminal, Shell, Citgo, It all depends on who has the rack/terminal price that day. The gas at the Walmart is in no poorer quality than the Shell across the street. But you can do what ever makes you feel better!

I put nothing but 93 octane V-Power in my car and bike.

http://www.shell.us/home/content/usa/products_services/on_the_road/fuels/shell_vpower/about_vpower/

I just hauled some "nitrogen enriched v-power premium" today from the Sunoco terminal in Toledo. It didn't go to a Shell or a Walmart (I dont haul to those), but it is in Findlay! "Nitro enriched" simply means it has ethynol in it.
Glad you pay the extra coin for it!

Actually it's usually the same price as Speedway. Today it's 2 cents more a gallon.


It has more cleaning additives in it is why I use it.

http://www.motortrend.com/gas_prices/33/ohio/hancock/findlay/index.html

Like I said what ever makes you feel better!

kritzell wrote: Shane: Also I thought "Nitrogen enriched" meant it had Nitrogen in it not ethanol. I'm no chemistry major though


http://www.examiner.com/x-4824-Tampa-Sports-Car-Examiner~y2009m3d22-Nitrogen-Enriched-Gasoline

And when this nitro enriched gas came on the secene,I asked the people at the Shell terminal (aka Lima Husky refinery) that I load at, where their Nitrogen additive tank was and they told me "Any gas that has ethynal mixed in it can also be labled as "nitro enriched" Thats what they told me. I've loaded out of that terminal for 12+ years and have no reason to think they lied to me... I could be wrong and I'm not a chemist, but...????? If you think it's great then, by all means, drink it up
I will talk to the guy that formulates all the gas for that refinery and see what he tells me.

I've had people come up to me while I'm dropping gas at our stations (we are unbranded and independent) and say something like, "I get my gas here rather than over at xyz because I get better mpg." I just nod and say "OK", knowing full well, I just sat in line at the same terminal waiting to fill the truck and talking to the driver that fills up the xyz station., waiting to use the same rack I just loaded at .


Once a company owns a marketing name..... say..... "SUPER DUPER DIESEL"...... they can pee in a bucket and call it "SUPER DUPER DIESEL" but that doesn't mean its any different than "regular" diesel.

j_crazy wrote:

Shane Falco wrote:
I just hauled some "nitrogen enriched v-power premium" today from the Sunoco terminal in Toledo. It didn't go to a Shell or a Walmart (I dont haul to those), but it is in Findlay! "Nitro enriched" simply means it has ethynol in it.
Glad you pay the extra coin for it!

Several things bring issue with me here:

1st off. "Nitro enriched" means it's enriched with N2. Ethanol has no nitrogen in it (C2H5OH, FYI).

2nd Ethanol is added to gas to reduce emissions, not to enhance performance (though I'd think it would since it burns hotter than gas, but I digress). It's not to clean your engine or anything like that. It's just to reduce emissions.

3rd you pay more because N2 reacts with the carbon (aka Gunk) that builds on the pistons and cleans them. the detergents and additives required by EPA do not do this (though they do clean other parts of the engine).

UMMMM... OK! No I'm not a chemist and I get the whole chemistry thing but... Just tellin ya what the people that make it and blend it at the refinery told me.

Fab1b wrote: I won't sit and pretend to be an oil expert but you can't tell me the consumer hasn't been shafted with prices. Whether is the oil companies, govts, etc...someone is sticking us.

What would you charge for gas? These companies don't make outrageous profits, sure Exxon reals in 10 billion or so a quarter, but their profit margin is 10%, which means they produce a lot of oil and they sell a lot too.

Once again, I can't believe some of the ignorance on this thread, BP only gets it gas from the US? LOL Oh, but you read an article 10 years ago? Right. And more gas drilled in the US = more US jobs? I mean is this shit serious?

never have used their gas

Sleeper I never said BP only gets theirs from the US! I said I am not taking money out of the hands of American Workers that work for BP. As for what would I charge for gas, I don't know I'm not in the industry but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure something is off when gas goes from high 1$ to over 4$ back down to 2$ range now does it?

Fab1b wrote: Sleeper I never said BP only gets theirs from the US! I said I am not taking money out of the hands of American Workers that work for BP. As for what would I charge for gas, I don't know I'm not in the industry but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure something is off when gas goes from high 1$ to over 4$ back down to 2$ range now does it?

The BP only gets its gas from the US was directed at another poster.

As far as your concerns on gas, you clearly don't understand how the price of oil is calculated. I can't help you(well won't try more likely), but I can tell you your rage is ignorant.

See I have no rage, really. I am confined to the fact, again if you read my posts, that if I want to drive my gas guzzling SUV which I have I have to pay. Its pretty simple. I admitted I have no clue how much gas costs as I am not in the industry but you can't say something wasn't off when prices were skyrocketing??? Whether its the govt, or the oil company as I said I don't care, they have us by the balls when it comes to oil!

I hate how so many of you said they didn't do this on purpose. THAT IS NOT THE POINT. They didn't handle the situation appropriately as if they never had an action plan to take care of issues such as this one. Oil companies that don't have the appropriate contigency plans in place for something like this deserve to go out of business.

sleeper wrote:

Fab1b wrote: I won't sit and pretend to be an oil expert but you can't tell me the consumer hasn't been shafted with prices. Whether is the oil companies, govts, etc...someone is sticking us.

What would you charge for gas? These companies don't make outrageous profits, sure Exxon reals in 10 billion or so a quarter, but their profit margin is 10%, which means they produce a lot of oil and they sell a lot too.

Once again, I can't believe some of the ignorance on this thread, BP only gets it gas from the US? LOL Oh, but you read an article 10 years ago? Right. And more gas drilled in the US = more US jobs? I mean is this shit serious?

BP's stateside refineries only use NA sourced Oil. That is a fact. As for more oil drilled in the US, yes, that does create a ton more jobs.

Fab1b wrote: See I have no rage, really. I am confined to the fact, again if you read my posts, that if I want to drive my gas guzzling SUV which I have I have to pay. Its pretty simple. I admitted I have no clue how much gas costs as I am not in the industry but you can't say something wasn't off when prices were skyrocketing??? Whether its the govt, or the oil company as I said I don't care, they have us by the balls when it comes to oil!

The price of gas skyrocketed because the price of crude oil (the raw material) skyrocketed, nothing more nothing less.

Its simple supply and demand.


EDIT: Oh, and to Shane Falco, its ethanol, not ethynal. I thought you were talking about some fuel additive/chemical that I had never heard of named "ethynal".

bought some yesterday,so....nope

Gotta love the spelling police

Sorry the ethynAl was wrong, please go ahead and knock my grade down a letter!

Ethanol = ethynol

Its the same stuff spelled either way .... You know.. kind of like the difference between the gas at Speedway and the gas at Walmart!



edit for spelling correction..... dang phone keys