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Nov 7, 2015 3:29 PM
Automatik;1761615 wrote:The fact that he's gotten this far is terrifying.
What's even more terrifying is that he makes Trump the reasonable choice
Nov 7, 2015 3:29pm
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Nov 7, 2015 3:44 PM
majorspark;1761617 wrote:And on this Pyramid thing. From what I saw on the video he states its his own personal theory. Didn't even claim the Bible teaches such. What a nutbag. We got abject liars running for president and people flip their shit over a over a guy stating his own personal theory. This just goes to show you they have not found a young blonde nurse yet willing to claim Carson made unwanted sexual advances.
I am a conservative(libertarian) and I still think while obviously a gifted surgeon, outside of that he seems like he could be a psychopath.

And yes Hilary is a liar and crazy but that doesn't mean we let crazy slip by because he is a conservative.

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Nov 7, 2015 3:44pm
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Nov 7, 2015 4:35 PM
SportsAndLady;1761622 wrote:LOL

I'm a republican, and even I think you need to get a fucking clue.

Carson is a nutjob.
I am not voting for Carson. Just think its backwards that people get more worked up over someone honestly stating his strange personal theory than proven liars.

Around a year and a half ago I had to select a surgeon to slice my heart open and repair a leaking valve. I never once asked what strange personal scientific or religious beliefs the surgeon held. The only thing I investigated was his honesty about his record. Thing is a lot of well qualified good people will never see the light of day in politics because they will be tarred and feathered over frivolous shit. Many don't even make an attempt because of this.

With all due respect its people like you who need to get a fucking clue. I have voted for many people that I knew did not hold the same personal religious beliefs as me. Thats really whats got you all lathered up. I am not voting for Carson for other reasons.
Nov 7, 2015 4:35pm
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Nov 7, 2015 5:00 PM
Wolves of Babylon;1761632 wrote:I am a conservative(libertarian) and I still think while obviously a gifted surgeon, outside of that he seems like he could be a psychopath.
Psychopath? Why because he he has a personal theory that Joseph stored grain in the pyramids? Nearly every candidate of both parties associates with a religion that believes that Joseph as Pharaoh's right hand man had grain stored somewhere in Egypt to sustain a massive famine.
Wolves of Babylon;1761632 wrote:And yes Hilary is a liar and crazy but that doesn't mean we let crazy slip by because he is a conservative.
Maybe we need a political litmus test on a candidates personal beliefs about Joseph so crazy never slips through.
Nov 7, 2015 5:00pm
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Nov 7, 2015 5:00 PM
majorspark;1761636 wrote:I am not voting for Carson. Just think its backwards that people get more worked up over someone honestly stating his strange personal theory than proven liars.

Around a year and a half ago I had to select a surgeon to slice my heart open and repair a leaking valve. I never once asked what strange personal scientific or religious beliefs the surgeon held. The only thing I investigated was his honesty about his record. Thing is a lot of well qualified good people will never see the light of day in politics because they will be tarred and feathered over frivolous shit. Many don't even make an attempt because of this.

With all due respect its people like you who need to get a fucking clue. I have voted for many people that I knew did not hold the same personal religious beliefs as me. Thats really whats got you all lathered up. I am not voting for Carson for other reasons.
This.

I'm not a Carson guy either, but all of us hold some inconsistencies, cognitive dissonance, and peculiarities, most of which does not keep us from being sane, rational and productive individuals. For instance, there are a lot of conservatives out there that are backing Donald Trump... and I'd be pretty sure that not all of them are crazy nut jobs. I'd have no problem pulling the lever for Carson no matter who comes out repping the other side of the aisle.

Personally, I think this thing eventually comes down to Rubio vs Cruz (I don't see the establishment candidates like Kasich/Christie/Bush getting traction) or we are fu****.
Nov 7, 2015 5:00pm
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Nov 7, 2015 5:04 PM
majorspark;1761636 wrote:I am not voting for Carson. Just think its backwards that people get more worked up over someone honestly stating his strange personal theory than proven liars.
People aren't making fun of his faith, nor are they getting worked up over some strange personal theory of his. What scares them is his beliefs apparently lead him to reject logic and historical fact. That's very different from faith or a personal opinion subject to legitimate debate.

Belief in God is faith. Believing Joseph built the pyramids to store grain is pure ignorance.
Nov 7, 2015 5:04pm
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Nov 7, 2015 5:08 PM
majorspark;1761636 wrote:I am not voting for Carson. Just think its backwards that people get more worked up over someone honestly stating his strange personal theory than proven liars.

Around a year and a half ago I had to select a surgeon to slice my heart open and repair a leaking valve. I never once asked what strange personal scientific or religious beliefs the surgeon held. The only thing I investigated was his honesty about his record. Thing is a lot of well qualified good people will never see the light of day in politics because they will be tarred and feathered over frivolous shit. Many don't even make an attempt because of this.

With all due respect its people like you who need to get a fucking clue. I have voted for many people that I knew did not hold the same personal religious beliefs as me. Thats really whats got you all lathered up. I am not voting for Carson for other reasons.
You're comparing picking a heart surgeon to picking a president of the United States?

It's not about having different beliefs than Carson. It's about his belief being so fucking strange that it can only mean the guy is a nut job. Sorry, not voting or supporting a nut job.
Nov 7, 2015 5:08pm
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Nov 7, 2015 5:09 PM
gut;1761643 wrote:People aren't making fun of his faith, nor are they getting worked up over some strange personal theory of his. What scares them is his beliefs apparently lead him to reject logic and historical fact. That's very different from faith or a personal opinion subject to legitimate debate.

Belief in God is faith. Believing Joseph built the pyramids to store grain is pure ignorance.
Thank you. This.

This isn't about bashing a guy for having a certain religion. But keep making it out to be that way, spark, if that makes you feel better.
Nov 7, 2015 5:09pm
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Nov 7, 2015 5:24 PM
It's not about having different beliefs than Carson. It's about his belief being so fucking strange that it can only mean the guy is a nut job.
I've seen nothing , nor is there anything in Carson's actions past or present that indicate he would be incapable of being a good president. Most certainly, there are people that want him portrayed to be a "nut job". Right now, every "R" has a target on his back.
Nov 7, 2015 5:24pm
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Nov 7, 2015 5:31 PM
HitsRus;1761654 wrote:I've seen nothing , nor is there anything in Carson's actions past or present that indicate he would be incapable of being a good president. Most certainly, there are people that want him portrayed to be a "nut job". Right now, every "R" has a target on his back.
He makes it pretty fucking easy to be highly criticized (see: writing in his book that he received a full ride to the US Military Academy, despite not even applying). Again, I'm a republican...i'm not out here looking for "stories" to bash Republican candidates. I like a lot of the R nominees, but Carson is the LAST person I want as President.
Nov 7, 2015 5:31pm
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Nov 7, 2015 5:50 PM
SportsAndLady;1761648 wrote:You're comparing picking a heart surgeon to picking a president of the United States?
No. The point is we only really care about ones personal beliefs when it comes to politics as opposed to the ability to do the job.
SportsAndLady;1761648 wrote:It's not about having different beliefs than Carson. It's about his belief being so fucking strange that it can only mean the guy is a nut job. Sorry, not voting or supporting a nut job.
How strange is it to believe a man survived in the belly of a whale for three days?
Nov 7, 2015 5:50pm
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Nov 7, 2015 5:50 PM
^^^(at S&L)fair enough. Everything adds up when we are evaluating a candidate, and some things mean more to us than others. Carson has slipped a bit down my list partly because of this, but not necessarily a deal breaker. I am hoping that the nomination does not come down to him and Trump.
Nov 7, 2015 5:50pm
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Nov 7, 2015 5:55 PM
SportsAndLady;1761655 wrote:He makes it pretty fucking easy to be highly criticized (see: writing in his book that he received a full ride to the US Military Academy, despite not even applying).
If so that would make him a liar. Well worthy of criticism and disqualification for consideration as a candidate.
Nov 7, 2015 5:55pm
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Nov 7, 2015 6:01 PM
majorspark;1761662 wrote:No. The point is we only really care about ones personal beliefs when it comes to politics as opposed to the ability to do the job.



How strange is it to believe a man survived in the belly of a whale for three days?
Agree that I'm not that big on choosing a candidate for the US Presidency based on his personal beliefs on certain social or religious issues...but when they're THAT extreme...
Nov 7, 2015 6:01pm
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Nov 7, 2015 6:14 PM
Religion or otherwise, that's simply one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard. I'm not sure what is more remarkable, that he never learned otherwise or that he rejected what he learned because of his religion.

And if it's the latter, then what does that mean for foreign and domestic issues he doesn't understand? He's just going to make up an explanation that he believes fits with his faith?
Nov 7, 2015 6:14pm
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Nov 7, 2015 6:14 PM
Carson's explanation for being "offered a full scholarship" at West Point is plausible, a matter of semantics, and illustrative of the lengths that the media will go to make a story. To get into a service academy, it requires a nomination by your congressman or your state's U.S. senator, and of course, the tuition is free in exchange for military service. Carson was told he would be nominated, but turned it down.
Nov 7, 2015 6:14pm
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Nov 7, 2015 6:18 PM
HitsRus;1761670 wrote:Carson's explanation for being "offered a full scholarship" at West Point is plausible, a matter of semantics, and illustrative of the lengths that the media will go to make a story.
Agreed. But I thought his answers in that last debate about his relationship with the supplement company bordered on extreme spin, at best.
Nov 7, 2015 6:18pm
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Nov 7, 2015 6:36 PM
majorspark;1761639 wrote:Psychopath? Why because he he has a personal theory that Joseph stored grain in the pyramids? Nearly every candidate of both parties associates with a religion that believes that Joseph as Pharaoh's right hand man had grain stored somewhere in Egypt to sustain a massive famine.



Maybe we need a political litmus test on a candidates personal beliefs about Joseph so crazy never slips through.
Its not just the Joseph story. When you watch him on tv or hear him speak it looks and feels like he is uncomfortable in his own skin and honestly he just doesn't know what to do and will not be the nominee.

If it came down to him and Hilary and I couldn't vote for the Libertarian candidate, I would vote for him because regardless of him being crazy at least he isn't a liberal.

I just don't get the whole " I must defend every conservative" line of thinking.

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Nov 7, 2015 7:36 PM
HitsRus;1761670 wrote:Carson's explanation for being "offered a full scholarship" at West Point is plausible, a matter of semantics, and illustrative of the lengths that the media will go to make a story. To get into a service academy, it requires a nomination by your congressman or your state's U.S. senator, and of course, the tuition is free in exchange for military service. Carson was told he would be nominated, but turned it down.
gosh a ruddies no, he is a compulsive liar.
"Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson’s published account of having dinner with a top commander in the Vietnam War after marching in a Memorial Day parade in 1969 as a high school ROTC cadet in Detroit does not match historical records.In Carson’s 1990 best-selling autobiography, “Gifted Hands: The Ben Carson Story,” the neurosurgeon tells of being offered a scholarship to West Point as a high school senior sometime after having dinner with the U.S. Army’s chief of staff, Gen. William Westmoreland, on Memorial Day 1969.
But Westmoreland’s personal schedule shows the general was not in Detroit on Memorial Day or during the days preceding and following the holiday. His schedule says he was in and around Washington, D.C., that weekend, according to Army archives The Detroit News reviewed Friday.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2015/11/06/carsons-westmoreland-story-match-records/75328960/
Nov 7, 2015 7:36pm
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Nov 8, 2015 12:15 AM
Wolves of Babylon;1761673 wrote:Its not just the Joseph story. When you watch him on tv or hear him speak it looks and feels like he is uncomfortable in his own skin and honestly he just doesn't know what to do and will not be the nominee.
I agree. I have sensed the same. Its one of the reasons he is not my choice in the primary. Carson is a very gifted man with talents most do not possess. He however is not a psychopath for God sake. Personally I just don't think he possesses the kind talent to govern a nation of over 300 million people. A nation that has great power and influence in the world.
Wolves of Babylon;1761673 wrote:If it came down to him and Hilary and I couldn't vote for the Libertarian candidate, I would vote for him because regardless of him being crazy at least he isn't a liberal.
Lets just hope this match up never happens. Most candidates I voted for in the presidential primary did not end up the candidate. In the last republican primary I voted for Ron Paul though I held disagreements with his foreign policy. I am libertarian at the federal level of governance.
Wolves of Babylon;1761673 wrote:ItsI just don't get the whole " I must defend every conservative" line of thinking.
Thats not what I am doing. Take the conservative candidate down on his ideology. In the first republican debate the moderators if I recall asked if they heard from God. They answered with the intended result. Then some fret about why the candidates are talking about God. These questions are not found in a democratic debate. Wonder why?
Nov 8, 2015 12:15am
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Nov 8, 2015 8:10 AM
gosh a ruddies Republican candidates make their religion an issue as they push themselves to evangelical voters, then you whine about them being asked about their beliefs.
As to whether he is a psychopath, the issue is still in question. In the psychiatric community there is no consensus if being a compulsive liar is proof of a pathology.
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/articles/pathological-lying-symptom-or-disease
Nov 8, 2015 8:10am
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Nov 8, 2015 9:39 AM
How very fortunate for HRC.
Nov 8, 2015 9:39am
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Nov 8, 2015 2:02 PM
HitsRus;1761823 wrote:How very fortunate for HRC.
Yeah, Carson is just loony....HRC is a sociopath.
Nov 8, 2015 2:02pm
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Nov 8, 2015 5:20 PM
Wolves of Babylon;1761673 wrote:I just don't get the whole " I must defend every conservative" line of thinking.
Look at it this way. Have you seen people get annoyed with BoatShoes at times because he'll say stuff like how no one except the far, far right even remotely cares about stuff like Benghazi and how it could potentially reflect on Clinton's campaign? Essentially playing a "if this matters to you, you're on the loony fringes of conservatism" card.

There are a few right-wingers here who are essentially that, but on the other side, who will do anything they can to deflect criticism of a person (even if they say they wouldn't vote for him/her) for the sole reason that they're conservative and, therefore, undeserving of any ridicule or skepticism.

Regardless of the side doing so, it's kind of cute. Essentially Internet "white-knighting" at its saddest level.
Nov 8, 2015 5:20pm