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unique_67

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Nov 12, 2009 3:59 PM
The FBI has said that Nidal Hasan acted ALONE in carrying out his dreadful act last week, and that it was NOT part of a wider web of "terrorist" activities. The thread title was cut and pasted from the HEADLINE of the story link provided at the end of this post. ;)

The actions of Hasan were deplorable, but the FBI has not uncovered any evidence to show this was anything more than the act of an individual who wished to cause harm to others.

FBI says Hasan wasn't involved in terrorist activities
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6717231.html
Nov 12, 2009 3:59pm
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Nov 12, 2009 4:09 PM
Yep, and Whoopie Goldberg is a MILF!!!!
Nov 12, 2009 4:09pm
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Nov 12, 2009 4:48 PM
I'm sure that the FBI would never "lie" to anyone. Yeah.
Nov 12, 2009 4:48pm
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Nov 12, 2009 5:16 PM
And, something tells me if the FBI investigation determined Hasan was part of a wider terrorist network, then those now doubting the FBI report would be hailing it as FACT, and proclaiming that all members of the US Military who are practicing Muslims ought to be watched very carefully.

If the FBI is lying now, which is a possibility, then that would mean they very well could have lied about EVERYTHING they have ever said to the public.

I'm not saying that Hasan's PERSONAL religious beliefs and ideology had nothing to do with his actions, or that he was not influenced in any manner by the radical fringe of Islam. But, I do believe he acted alone, and have held that stance from the day of the shootings. And, jis own PERSONAL ideology was not in keeping with the actual teachings of Islam, nor were his actions last week when going on his murderous rampage. Hasan and others with his ideology have perverted Islam, rather than holding true to the teachings of the religion.
Nov 12, 2009 5:16pm
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Nov 12, 2009 5:35 PM
President Obama is ordering a government-wide investigation of the way information known about Hasan prior to last week was used and to see if the information was handled properly at all levels by federal authorities.

I'm not sure what will come of the investigation, but I think it is wise to have ALL agencies that had information on Hasan prior to last week investigated to determine just what, if anything, could have been done to prevent Hasan from carrying out this dreaded act.

Obama Wants Probe of Hasan Intelligence
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125805902908245887.html?mod=article-outset-box
Nov 12, 2009 5:35pm
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Nov 12, 2009 8:05 PM
tk421 wrote: I'm sure that the FBI would never "lie" to anyone. Yeah.
Why would the FBI lie about him not being a part of a terrorist network. They would love nothing more than to stir up panic in the country by claiming a vast terrorist conspiracy.
Nov 12, 2009 8:05pm
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Nov 12, 2009 8:15 PM
I doubt Al-Qaeda has infiltrated the ranks of our soldiers. They need to hang this clown and get back to the business they are trying to distract the country from.
Nov 12, 2009 8:15pm
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Nov 12, 2009 8:53 PM
As for trusting the FBI or any other government agency, I never take their word for it. My own common sense tells me this guy was a nutbag who acted on his own. I am sure he tried to make contact with religious kooks so he could impress them and maybe get their approval.
Nov 12, 2009 8:53pm
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Nov 12, 2009 10:48 PM
people just want to claim a terrorist act happened under Obama's watch so it will deflect from the last dude in office
Nov 12, 2009 10:48pm
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Nov 13, 2009 9:34 AM
Does he need to be part of another group in order for this to be an act of terror?

Does having Soldier of Allah abbreviated on your business card an indication of anything??
Nov 13, 2009 9:34am
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Nov 13, 2009 10:44 AM
eersandbeers wrote:
Why would the FBI lie about him not being a part of a terrorist network. They would love nothing more than to stir up panic in the country by claiming a vast terrorist conspiracy.
Exactly. If it was anything close to being a terrorist act, then the government would be all over it to help fuel the fear to support the wars.
Cleveland Buck wrote: I doubt Al-Qaeda has infiltrated the ranks of our soldiers. They need to hang this clown and get back to the business they are trying to distract the country from.
I doubt it as well. AQ is too busy trying to kill our soldiers, including the muslim soldiers whom they consider 'traitors'. AQ infiltrating our soldiers is a terrible theory.
Prescott wrote: Does he need to be part of another group in order for this to be an act of terror?

Does having Soldier of Allah abbreviated on your business card an indication of anything??
He doesn't have to be part of another group to committ an act of terror, but that is how people are describing it. They are lumping him in with other radicals, which in turn, leads some to believe that all muslims are radical.

When the two teens shot up Columbine High, that was an act of terror. No one focused on their religion, race, etc. They were 2 nutjobs.

When the kid shot up VA Tech, that was an act of terror. No one pointed out his race or relgion saying it had anything to do with his act of terror.

Major Hasan committed an act of terror and peope, including yourself, are eluding to the fact that he is a muslim, so this has something to do with his act of terror.

The military, specifically the Army have been increasing in numbers of suicide.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/29/army.suicides/

I believe this was a "suicide by cop" act. He didn't want to deploy and committed this horrible act.
Nov 13, 2009 10:44am
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Nov 13, 2009 11:15 AM
Dw,

I don't disagree with what you said, but I only have a quick point to make - to add to it, if you will.
I belive in God but I don't think I've ever described myself a "soldier of God". Maybe this guy described himself as that because he worked for the military, I don't know. Or maybe he thought he was doing the work of the radical muslims that get so much attention from the news.
I just think that he's the only one that knows for sure, which way his business card lay, so to speak.
Nov 13, 2009 11:15am
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Nov 13, 2009 11:41 AM
Cleveland Buck wrote: I doubt Al-Qaeda has infiltrated the ranks of our soldiers. They need to hang this clown and get back to the business they are trying to distract the country from.
This.
Nov 13, 2009 11:41am
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Nov 13, 2009 6:33 PM
CenterBHSFan,

There are believers in Christianity who consider themselves "soldiers of God", so this is not a phrase that is used only by those who follow Islam.

Welcome to Soldiers of God Homepage
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http://soldiers-of-god.com/


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There are also people who use the term "soldier for Christ", and these individuals/groups have NOTHING to do with being in the US Military. Maybe these groups ought to be watched closely as possible terrorist threats, as one never knows when a radical member will go off on their own and committ an act of violence based on their warped interpretation of what it means to be a "soldier for Christ" :huh:

Soldier of Christ Disciple Training Ministry
http://www.soldierofchrist.com/

Soldiers of Christ
http://www.teamsoc.net/index.php?page=home

Soldier 4 Christ
http://soldier-4-christ.blogspot.com/

GOOD SOLDIERS OF CHRIST
http://www.gracegems.org/book4/t14.htm
Nov 13, 2009 6:33pm
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Nov 13, 2009 8:54 PM
unique, I get what you're saying. Perhaps you didn't see or possibly misread what I also said:
Maybe this guy described himself as that because he worked for the military, I don't know. Or maybe he thought he was doing the work of the radical muslims that get so much attention from the news.
This guy AIN'T the average Christian or Muslin. SO, I don't think he fits into any one of your instances or examples. I will not try to make him out to be the average Christian or Muslim, either.
And so, being as he isn't the average Christian or Muslim, I think there's alot to be said about the "soldier" aspect. After all, when he's praising God while shooting down people leaves ALOT to speculation, don't you think?
Nov 13, 2009 8:54pm
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Nov 13, 2009 9:03 PM
Also, I'm not claiming, nor have I EVER, claimed that there weren't Christians guilty of doing the same sorts of things. In fact, I've stated that before that I didn't believe that.

AND....

This guy has to stand alone right now. He WAS in the military and that cannot be denied for feelings or ideology or religious leanings. What I posted IS an aspect of what has to be considered and WILL be considered when they try to figure out just what to do with him and how to proceed. This is not a suprise or at least it shouldn't be a suprise for anybody. Actually, it's already been talked about.
This guy took his religion over the line.
This guy is a nut.
This guy killed people in the name of religion.
This was, was truly acting as a SOLDIER of God, in his twisted view. Not the average person's view.
This guy cannot be held in the hands of compassion or understanding or political correctness.

I despise people like him and I don't give a rats behind if he was Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or a TeleTubbie.
*EDIT
Ok, I realize I'm getting all riled up, over nothing really. But, again, I get what you're saying. That was not my intention of being taken that way and I really should have clarified better.
I don't know how people like this can be differentiated between nuts and everybody else. But in the meantime, I'm going to keep thinking that he believed he was acting as a "soldier of God" and did what he did because of it. He'll get no quarter from me.
Nov 13, 2009 9:03pm
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Falcons53

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Nov 13, 2009 9:08 PM
To think the FBI wants to stir the pot and play on the fears of the people is crazy. They are not elected officials and are neither Dem or Rep. What is there to gain?

This guy was a whacko who acted on his own, IMHO. No one told him to do this accept the voices in his head. Read the articles, piece it all together.

Gangs in the Military are a bigger threat than terrorists in the military. Gangs and drugs are causing us to rot from the inside.
Nov 13, 2009 9:08pm
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Nov 14, 2009 2:12 AM
CenterBHSFan,

I'm just getting tired of the assertions many people in this country are making toward ALL believers of Islam. I know several people who are Muslim, and ALL of them deplore what took place on 9-11-2001 and also the type of act that took place last week at Fort Hood.

In fact, I was talking with one of my friends who is both Arabic(his parents are from Lebanon) and Muslim about what took place at Ft. Hood. We were also talking about the type of things he deals with on a daily basis as a result of being of Arabic decent. And, while he happens to be Muslim, we also talked about the fact that not all people from Arab countries are followers of Islam, yet many people in the USA do not realise this to be the case.

He deals with stares and sometimes mistreatment simply because of the fact he looks like he is from the Middle East. He is an American citizen, yet in his own country he get's treated at times like he has done something wrong, and that is truly sad for a country that claims to be a free, democratic society. :(
Nov 14, 2009 2:12am
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Nov 14, 2009 9:13 AM
Unique,

I hear ya. When I lived in Ca., I worked very closely for a while with a husband/wife team who were Muslim. We got to be so close that when I moved back home/Ohio, that we kept in contanct regularly. But after so many years, it has just dwindled down and now we mainly call each other about once a year. And they always ask me when I'm coming back LOL! But with my parents the way they are, I can't see that happening until well off into the future.
Anyways, I'm in a better frame of mind today. Last night I just got some bad news and I think it threw me off a little.
Nov 14, 2009 9:13am
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Nov 14, 2009 10:48 AM
Falcons53 wrote: To think the FBI wants to stir the pot and play on the fears of the people is crazy. They are not elected officials and are neither Dem or Rep. What is there to gain?

Remember the Patriot Act?

The top heads of the FBI are simply pawns of the President. They do his bidding and the federal government would love to have another reason to deflect attention from his failed domestic policies or enact more big government laws.
Nov 14, 2009 10:48am
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Nov 14, 2009 10:53 AM
eersandbeers wrote: Remember the Patriot Act?

The top heads of the FBI are simply pawns of the President. They do his bidding and the federal government would love to have another reason to deflect attention from his failed domestic policies or enact more big government laws.
Well, I can truthfully say that I've never thought of it in quite that way. This gives me something to ponder on for awhile and see what my final thoughts are.
Nov 14, 2009 10:53am
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Nov 14, 2009 10:56 AM
CenterBHSFan wrote:
eersandbeers wrote: Remember the Patriot Act?

The top heads of the FBI are simply pawns of the President. They do his bidding and the federal government would love to have another reason to deflect attention from his failed domestic policies or enact more big government laws.
Well, I can truthfully say that I've never thought of it in quite that way. This gives me something to ponder on for awhile and see what my final thoughts are.

I'm quite the pessimist when it comes to government so I may not be the most objective source on this.

I always look for the alternative motives though. I believe there is an hidden motive for everything government does. And I believe it is usually true.
Nov 14, 2009 10:56am
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Nov 14, 2009 1:15 PM
eers,

I'm quite critical of our government as well. It really is weird for me to think back on my younger days and realize just how liberal and carefree I once was. Well...those days are gone and gone for good as far as I'm concerned, never to be had again.
Nov 14, 2009 1:15pm
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Nov 14, 2009 5:03 PM
CenterBHSFan wrote: eers,

I'm quite critical of our government as well. It really is weird for me to think back on my younger days and realize just how liberal and carefree I once was. Well...those days are gone and gone for good as far as I'm concerned, never to be had again.
The older we get, the wiser we get! ;)
Nov 14, 2009 5:03pm
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Nov 14, 2009 7:47 PM
eersandbeers wrote:
Falcons53 wrote: To think the FBI wants to stir the pot and play on the fears of the people is crazy. They are not elected officials and are neither Dem or Rep. What is there to gain?

Remember the Patriot Act?

The top heads of the FBI are simply pawns of the President. They do his bidding and the federal government would love to have another reason to deflect attention from his failed domestic policies or enact more big government laws.
That's funny because the current "top heads" were appointed by the LAST president. Yep, you are right, they are simply pawns for the President.
Nov 14, 2009 7:47pm