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Apr 18, 2010 7:12 PM
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DeyDurkie5 wrote: god forbid you help your kids out if you are capable:rolleyes:
Again, my son gets anything he wants right now. So, I help him out plenty. College will be his life/financial decision. Not mine. He wants it, he's going to earn it himself.
And if (when) he makes a mistake in college? Are you prepared to just let him fail and have to do something he doesn't love or maybe even like for the rest of his life.

Parent's responsibility for their kids doesn't stop entirely the second they turn 18. Yeah the child needs to carry his own weight but it sure helps a lot if there is a supporting and helpful parent behind them.

"Better do it right because if you fuck up it's your fault and I'm not helping you" doesn't count as supportive to me.

Honestly, if it were me I'd be prone to do a reversal of what you're doing. Let the kid want a bit during his childhood but be all "I got this" when it comes to his college or part of it.

Of course you know your child better than us and it isn't our place to tell you what to do with your money or how to raise your kid. So please don't take me asking questions as me telling you what to do because I'm not. I'm just curious as to your train of thought.
Apr 18, 2010 7:12pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:13 PM
Pick6 wrote: are you going to kick your kids out when they turn 18 too?
Nope. But he'll have responsibilities just like every other kid does/should. Him living at home doesn't cost me thousands of dollars towards something he might not ever use.
Apr 18, 2010 7:13pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:16 PM
It seems to me like you don't believe your kid will succeed at college.
Apr 18, 2010 7:16pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:18 PM
I Wear Pants wrote: And if (when) he makes a mistake in college? Are you prepared to just let him fail and have to do something he doesn't love or maybe even like for the rest of his life.

Parent's responsibility for their kids doesn't stop entirely the second they turn 18. Yeah the child needs to carry his own weight but it sure helps a lot if there is a supporting and helpful parent behind them.

"Better do it right because if you fuck up it's your fault and I'm not helping you" doesn't count as supportive to me.

Honestly, if it were me I'd be prone to do a reversal of what you're doing. Let the kid want a bit during his childhood but be all "I got this" when it comes to his college or part of it.

Of course you know your child better than us and it isn't our place to tell you what to do with your money or how to raise your kid. So please don't take me asking questions as me telling you what to do because I'm not. I'm just curious as to your train of thought.
No problem at all. I have the same train of thought as every other parent out there that won't help there kids with college. I'm surely not the first, nor last, that refuse to do so. My son has all the support he needs from me. Handing out money for him whenever he needs it isn't the only way to be supportive of your child.
Apr 18, 2010 7:18pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:19 PM
I Wear Pants wrote: It seems to me like you don't believe your kid will succeed at college.
LMAO. Dude, he's 8. I'm sure as hell not going to make a call on that at 8 years old. LOL It has nothing to do with what I think he will do in college. It's from my experiences, how I was raised, and what I have seen.
Apr 18, 2010 7:19pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:21 PM
Dude, if he's 8 and doesn't have a career plan he's fucked!

I wouldn't pay for his school either.

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Apr 18, 2010 7:21pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:22 PM
LOL
Apr 18, 2010 7:22pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:23 PM
This is a mindless debate you all have going on. First of all, it is Chiefs responsibility to raise his kids however he sees fit. There isnt just one way to raise successful children. I always laugh when people assume they know how to raise someone elses kids better?
Apr 18, 2010 7:23pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:24 PM
september63 wrote: This is a mindless debate you all have going on.
Eh..it's just that. A debate. All in good fun.
Apr 18, 2010 7:24pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:30 PM
^^^ This.
Apr 18, 2010 7:30pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:35 PM
GoChiefs wrote:
september63 wrote: This is a mindless debate you all have going on.
Eh..it's just that. A debate. All in good fun.
Watch yourself, debating is apparently not what we're supposed to do around here...
Apr 18, 2010 7:35pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:47 PM
I hope you werent referring to me? I just was laughing at the ppl telling him how he should raise and parent his " own" child.

Differing opinions are always good. (sometimes entertaining)
Apr 18, 2010 7:47pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:48 PM
I payed for my own college. I was very headstrong and didn't want to be a mooch. Not saying that's what people who have their parents pay for their college, it's just my mindset at the time. Was it hard? You bet. But you cannot know the feeling of pride and accomplishment that you feel unless you've done it. It's awesome! When it came time for me to be independent, I wanted the full measure, not a partial dose.
I've had friends though, whose parents gave them the free ride and I was happy for them to have it. And they were happy to have the help.
Apr 18, 2010 7:48pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:53 PM
When i win the lottery Ill pay for Chiefs kids college. If the boy transfers out of Massillon and goes to Dover HS.
Apr 18, 2010 7:53pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:53 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: Watch yourself, debating is apparently not what we're supposed to do around here...
Touche. Some people definitely don't have the ability without getting all personal and defensive about everything. Which always ends in the "FUCK YOU ASSHOLE".
Apr 18, 2010 7:53pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:54 PM
september63 wrote: When i win the lottery Ill pay for Chiefs kids college. If the boy transfers out of Massillon and goes to Dover HS.
Well, how about Perry? That's where he's at now. LOL I'm not stupid. I won't let him get a Massillon education. :p Or...I guess that would be a lack of education? :D
Apr 18, 2010 7:54pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:55 PM
september63 wrote: I hope you werent referring to me? I just was laughing at the ppl telling him how he should raise and parent his " own" child.

Differing opinions are always good. (sometimes entertaining)
it actually didn't start out like that. I was more or less talking about people who could write a check for all 4 years of tuition+room and board who refuse to pay anything for their child's higher education. I can see someone in GoChiefs position as it is a financial decision as well as a personal decision (not to say that GoChiefs probably has a comfortable life financially) as to help their children through college or not. But people who set their kids up to have assloads of debt from the get go just because they want them to, I just don't get it.
Apr 18, 2010 7:55pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:55 PM
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SQ_Crazies wrote: Watch yourself, debating is apparently not what we're supposed to do around here...
Touche. Some people definitely don't have the ability without getting all personal and defensive about everything. Which always ends in the "FUCK YOU ASSHOLE".
you just pretty much described sq lol
Apr 18, 2010 7:55pm
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Apr 18, 2010 7:56 PM
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Nope. But he'll have responsibilities just like every other kid does/should. Him living at home doesn't cost me thousands of dollars towards something he might not ever use.
Okay let's switch gears. You obviously don't think a college education is worth the money.

If a college degree wasn't important, why do people go?
Apr 18, 2010 7:56pm
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Apr 18, 2010 8:00 PM
pnhasbeen wrote: Okay let's switch gears. You obviously don't think a college education is worth the money.

If a college degree wasn't important, why do people go?
Just all depends on what you want to do in life. Did I go? Yes. Did it benefit me in my everyday life? No. My job now does not require a college degree. I never said it wasn't worth the money either. If you want a degree. Great. I don't fault you for that. You can definitely benefit from it. I was just in a good situation where I ended up not needing it once I graduated.
Apr 18, 2010 8:00pm
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Apr 18, 2010 8:05 PM
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DeyDurkie5 wrote: I'm glad my parents aren't gochiefs is all I can say lol
Yes...b/c god forbid you should have to work for something on your own huh? :rolleyes: My son is spoiled, he gets almost anything he wants, within reason. So a lot of kids would actually like to have someone like me and my wife as parents. :p Until they are older of course. :D
I Wear Pants wrote: The question I have is, why would you want them to have to go through what you did?
B/c nothing I had to go through has been too difficult to get through. B/c it has helped make me who I am today. Again...if I had a shitty life, I could understand your question. But, I don't. So..why WOULDN'T I want them to have to go through what I did???
Because it should be their life, not yours.
Yep, and paying one's way is a big part of that.
Apr 18, 2010 8:05pm
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Apr 18, 2010 8:08 PM
queencitybuckeye wrote:
LJ wrote:
GoChiefs wrote:
DeyDurkie5 wrote: I'm glad my parents aren't gochiefs is all I can say lol
Yes...b/c god forbid you should have to work for something on your own huh? :rolleyes: My son is spoiled, he gets almost anything he wants, within reason. So a lot of kids would actually like to have someone like me and my wife as parents. :p Until they are older of course. :D
I Wear Pants wrote: The question I have is, why would you want them to have to go through what you did?
B/c nothing I had to go through has been too difficult to get through. B/c it has helped make me who I am today. Again...if I had a shitty life, I could understand your question. But, I don't. So..why WOULDN'T I want them to have to go through what I did???
Because it should be their life, not yours.
Yep, and paying one's way is a big part of that.
But having to do what dad did isn't :rolleyes:
Apr 18, 2010 8:08pm
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Apr 18, 2010 8:14 PM
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pnhasbeen wrote: Okay let's switch gears. You obviously don't think a college education is worth the money.

If a college degree wasn't important, why do people go?
Just all depends on what you want to do in life. Did I go? Yes. Did it benefit me in my everyday life? No. My job now does not require a college degree. I never said it wasn't worth the money either. If you want a degree. Great. I don't fault you for that. You can definitely benefit from it. I was just in a good situation where I ended up not needing it once I graduated.
how long have you been at your current job? many years ago there were jobs that didnt require a degree. more and more jobs today though are requiring a degree.
Apr 18, 2010 8:14pm
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Apr 18, 2010 8:14 PM
LJ wrote: But having to do what dad did isn't :rolleyes:
What's wrong with doing it the way dad did? :huh:
Apr 18, 2010 8:14pm
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Apr 18, 2010 8:15 PM
Glory Days wrote: how long have you been at your current job? many years ago there were jobs that didnt require a degree. more and more jobs today though are requiring a degree.
2 and a half years.
Apr 18, 2010 8:15pm