thedynasty1998 wrote:

centralbucksfan wrote: Seriously, what is with the facination with Ryan Mallett? His team lost 5 games last year. Those 5 games, were all the "good" teams on Ark schedule. Check out his stats in those games. In all but one of those, he was below 50% passing. And that game was against Georgia, who turned out not to be very good. He balooned all his stats against the worst part of the schedule. Honestly don't think he deserves to be mentioned in the "preseason" list. Maybe as season goes. But until he does something against a quality team....I don't believe he has earned much.

I get what you are saying, but look at the Heisman hopefuls who were invited to New York last year, who did McCoy put his big numbers up against?

And you could make that same argument against Pryor, although because he did play well against Oregon everyone seems to forget the regular season.

I don't think it's laughable to put either of those two in the discussion. Pryor has his stage against Miami. Mallett is as talented as any QB in the country and carried his team last year. He's really not playing with as much talent as everyone else in the SEC.

centralbucksfan wrote: And Mallet was flat out BAD in those 4 losses. If he had done "ok", I would give you that. But he was bad. I realize most players pad theirs stats vs the sub par teams. But to be considered THE BEST, you have to play well in big games. Mallett has YET to do so.

centralbucksfan wrote: McCoy established himself over a period of 3+yrs. Bad comparison.

thedynasty1998 wrote:

centralbucksfan wrote: Seriously, what is with the facination with Ryan Mallett? His team lost 5 games last year. Those 5 games, were all the "good" teams on Ark schedule. Check out his stats in those games. In all but one of those, he was below 50% passing. And that game was against Georgia, who turned out not to be very good. He balooned all his stats against the worst part of the schedule. Honestly don't think he deserves to be mentioned in the "preseason" list. Maybe as season goes. But until he does something against a quality team....I don't believe he has earned much.

And you could make that same argument against Pryor, although because he did play well against Oregon everyone seems to forget the regular season.

thedynasty1998 wrote:

centralbucksfan wrote: McCoy established himself over a period of 3+yrs. Bad comparison.

I didn't know the Heisman was a career achievement award? The Heisman goes to the best player in that given year. Who would have thought Ingram would have won it heading into last season?

Not sure how that was a bad comparison when discussing next years Heisman hopefuls?

centralbucksfan wrote: Ok, I'll keep it simple then. Where did McCoy lead his team to compared to Mallett?

thedynasty1998 wrote:

centralbucksfan wrote: Ok, I'll keep it simple then. Where did McCoy lead his team to compared to Mallett?

That's a completely different argument and one that I would agree with. His team was much better and therefore was put at the forefront of the Heisman talks. But that wasn't your original argument.

centralbucksfan wrote: Comparing McCoy, one of the most successful college QB's of all time to Mallett is laughable.

Big Red Monster wrote: It is Ingram's to lose.

If he equals the #'s he put up this year and Alabama makes another NC run, I dont know how they cant give it to him again.

Big Red Monster wrote: Are people upset that I dont think Pryor is a leading Canidate?

The NCAA LOVES Alabama.

Like I said before, if Ingram and Alabama equal what they did last year, he will win it again. If he does not then there will never be a 2 time winner and somebody out there doesnt want it to happen.

I know nothing about sports?

What do you know?

That is a good starting point.

centralbucksfan wrote:

thedynasty1998 wrote:

centralbucksfan wrote: Ok, I'll keep it simple then. Where did McCoy lead his team to compared to Mallett?

That's a completely different argument and one that I would agree with. His team was much better and therefore was put at the forefront of the Heisman talks. But that wasn't your original argument.

Only because I didn't include it in my original post, because quite frankly, it wasn't needed. There really is no arguement here. Comparing McCoy, one of the most successful college QB's of all time to Mallett is laughable.
This is all thats needed:
4 losses, Mallett Stats:
vs Bama
12-35 for 160yds 1td, 1int
vs Florida
12-27 for 224 1td
vs Miss
12-34 for 250 1 td
vs LSU
17-39 for 227 1 td 1 int

Other loss was to Georgia where he did have a fine game. But Georgia, along with LSU were not that great. But still, all of those teams were the most competative teams on Ark schedule and he didn't exactly perform very well at all.

Big Red Monster wrote: So I know nothing about sports because I think there should be another 2 time winner?

And you didnt answer my question, what exactly makes you an expert?

KnightRyder wrote: i mentioned ponders name because i was looking at some stats ad i noticed it took terrel pryor 12 or 13 games to accomplish what ponder did in 9 games . so i wondered why no one had his name in the mix.