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Crimson_Streak

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Apr 11, 2010 10:55 PM
sleeper wrote:
goosebumps wrote: Zach Collaros should be in the top 10. Look at what he did last year with limited playing time.

93/124 for a 75% completion
1434 passing yards (11.57 yards/rec) 344 rushing yards (6/carry)
10 Passing TD's 4 Rushing TD's and 2 interceptions.

QB rating 195.5

This year he has what ESPN has called the "best WR crew in the country". He may set some more records this year. He already holds the Big East record for most yards in a game at 555.
Love when the UC homers come out...

He won't sniff the Heisman even if he breaks a shitload of passing records, he plays in the Big East, and like it or not, the conference has no credibility in football.
But yet lewis in a top candidate and pitt plays in the big east.....

as for pryor get real he isnt sniffing the heisman. unless he miraculously becomes a good passer over night which is very unlikely
Apr 11, 2010 10:55pm
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namod65

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Apr 11, 2010 11:00 PM
God... Florida fans are so fucking stupid and full of themselves, and this thread does nothing except support that fact. By the way they talk, you'd think they've been relevant before 2007. Seriously? Someone who has never played over Pryor? Seriously?
Apr 11, 2010 11:00pm
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Apr 11, 2010 11:04 PM
Yeah I still don't get the Pryor hype.

Last year he was:
62 in the nation for QB rating
85 in completion percentage
74 in passing yards
43 in passing TD's
41 in Interceptions

I just don't see it happening this or any year.
Apr 11, 2010 11:04pm
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Red_Skin_Pride

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Apr 11, 2010 11:05 PM
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ytownfootball wrote: The problem guys like Calloros and Pike have is they play in a 'system" oriented offense. Were it not for that guys like Case Keenum at Houston would have won it hands down.
Can you please show me a quarterback anywhere that doesn't play in a "system"?
sorry goosebumps, but I have to agree with ytown on this one. It isn't necessarily the system they play in that's the problem, the major problem is that type of "system" isn't used in the NFL. The "throw 55 passes a game" and never run the ball isn't going to get it as an NFL QB. Look at the quarterbacks from Texas Tech. Kliff Kingsbury, Sonny Cumbie, Graham Harrel...they've led the nation in passing almost every year for the last decade or so, and have you ever heard of ANY of them winning the heisman, OR starting in the NFL? To add to that, Timmy Chang, Omar Jacobs. and even a guy like Alex Smith/Case Keenum (soon to be). These guys are rarely ever under center, rarely have to read defenses, or check down, and rarely have to take set dropsteps, plant, and fire the ball. Thats GREAT in college and it will get you huge stats and win you a lot of games. But it doesn't prepare you for the NFL, nor does convince heisman voters that you should win, because they know you got to throw a shit ton of passes, mostly because your team has little to no balance and instead of trying to run the ball, these teams just say fuck it and throw every down. So it's like rewarding a guy from UC for not having a running game, while penalizing a guy from a team that has a running game for not throwing the ball near as many times, because he can actually turn around and hand it off some, and doesn't HAVE to throw every down. Heisman voters, and most knowledgeable college football fans realize this.
Apr 11, 2010 11:05pm
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sleeper

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Apr 12, 2010 1:01 AM
goosebumps wrote: Yeah I still don't get the Pryor hype.

Last year he was:
62 in the nation for QB rating
85 in completion percentage
74 in passing yards
43 in passing TD's
41 in Interceptions

I just don't see it happening this or any year.
And the MVP of the rose bowl...
Apr 12, 2010 1:01am
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devil1197

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Apr 12, 2010 1:06 AM
goosebumps wrote: Yeah I still don't get the Pryor hype.

Last year he was:
62 in the nation for QB rating
85 in completion percentage
74 in passing yards
43 in passing TD's
41 in Interceptions

I just don't see it happening this or any year.
Reasons for the Pryor hype.

He played very well at the end of the year when OSU needed him the most. He had a great Rose Bowl game including 300+ yards of offense and getting the MVP. Ending seasons on a good note does wonders going into the next season in terms of hype.

He'll lead the Buckeyes into 2010 ranked probably #2 in the nation. OSU will be favored to win the B10 and play in yet another NC game. If he continues to play like he did at the end of the season, he'll be in the hunt as long as OSU keeps on winning.
Apr 12, 2010 1:06am
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athlete37

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Apr 12, 2010 1:39 AM
Dayne Crist will have a better season than Pryor
Apr 12, 2010 1:39am
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Apr 12, 2010 1:47 AM
athlete37 wrote: Dayne Crist will have a better season than Pryor
I would hope so in that new, flashy "system" they'll be running in Domerland under Kelly. But I would be a little hesitant to go horn tootin' just yet.
Apr 12, 2010 1:47am
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Apr 12, 2010 2:07 AM
athlete37 wrote: Dayne Crist will have a better season than Pryor
You're opinion, but I lolz.
Apr 12, 2010 2:07am
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TheMightyGators

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Apr 12, 2010 7:23 AM
HighRoller74 wrote: I agree with True.

Having Brantley even in the top 25 is quite homerish at this point. He's started 0 games, no one knows how good he is. He could be another Alex Smith, or he could be Steve Bellisari kinda hard to tell at this point.

However based on the Oregon game alone, Pryor deserves to be in the top 5.

Along with

1.) Ingram
2.) Dion Lewis
3.) Pryor
4.) Locker
5.) Moore.
Brantley shouldn't be in the discussion, but Pryor should be based on 1 game? Did you say based on the Purdue game he should be in the Heisman Trophy discussion? :)
Brantley, won't be in the Heisman dicussion, because it's all about pre-season with this award. It's very difficult to win it, when people don't start noticing until halfway through the year.
And if you think Brantley could be another Steve Bellisari, then you clearly don't have a clue about him.
Apr 12, 2010 7:23am
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TheMightyGators

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Apr 12, 2010 7:28 AM
namod65 wrote: God... Florida fans are so fucking stupid and full of themselves, and this thread does nothing except support that fact. By the way they talk, you'd think they've been relevant before 2007. Seriously? Someone who has never played over Pryor? Seriously?
I agree, putting a guy who hasn't played much in the Heisman discussion, is a bit premature at this point. The talks will come if the mighty Gators are still unedefeated halfway through the year.
As for Florida not being relevant prior to 2007, talk about being a stupid moron!
Apr 12, 2010 7:28am
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Apr 12, 2010 9:18 AM
goosebumps wrote: Yeah I still don't get the Pryor hype.

Last year he was:
62 in the nation for QB rating
85 in completion percentage
74 in passing yards
43 in passing TD's
41 in Interceptions

I just don't see it happening this or any year.
You conveniently forget that he also rushed for 779 yards and 7 touchdowns. His running ability will (obviously) be a huge part in his success as a college qb this fall.
Apr 12, 2010 9:18am
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Apr 12, 2010 9:54 AM
athlete37 wrote: Dayne Crist will have a better season than Pryor
Sure he will, because you'll have ND CLOWNS come on here with their 6-6 season(6-7 will inevitable bowl loss), and say "Well, Crist doesn't play defense".

LOL

Pryor will have his team at least winning the Big Ten if not playing for a National Championship, Crist will be lucky to attend a bowl game.
Apr 12, 2010 9:54am
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Apr 12, 2010 10:46 AM
Brantley will be good, but Florida does not have a Heisman candidate this year. Brantley will help the WR's look good and the RB's will be our main weapons... Gillislee, Demps, Moody. Rainey in the slot, and if he is healthy, Andre Debose will be a Heisman candidate in 2011. I saw Debose in 4 games his hs senior year, including the spectacular catch that won the state title. He would be the next Percy Harvin but a hammy and questionable surgery repair has us worried.
If Pryor has a good year, will he go pro ?
Apr 12, 2010 10:46am
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Apr 12, 2010 11:10 AM
After the first page, I can't read on. Gibby... you're something else man.
Apr 12, 2010 11:10am
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LJ

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Apr 12, 2010 12:27 PM
Speedofsand wrote:
If Pryor has a good year, will he go pro ?
There won't be anywhere to go pro to.
Apr 12, 2010 12:27pm
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TheMightyGators

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Apr 12, 2010 8:05 PM
Speedofsand wrote: Brantley will be good, but Florida does not have a Heisman candidate this year. Brantley will help the WR's look good and the RB's will be our main weapons... Gillislee, Demps, Moody. Rainey in the slot, and if he is healthy, Andre Debose will be a Heisman candidate in 2011. I saw Debose in 4 games his hs senior year, including the spectacular catch that won the state title. He would be the next Percy Harvin but a hammy and questionable surgery repair has us worried.
If Pryor has a good year, will he go pro ?
I doubt we'll see another Percy Harvin anytime soon. Dubose had a lot of hype coming out of high school, so hopefully we'll see some of that this year. Don't look for him to be getting anywhere near the touches running the ball like Percy did.
Apr 12, 2010 8:05pm
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Speedofsand

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Apr 12, 2010 10:24 PM
Debose, not Dubose. If his hammy is 100%, he will get touches after Demps, Gillislee, Rainey, etc.
The hype out of Sanford was deserved. He is a great player. Heisman to Brantley in 2011, Debose in 2012.
Apr 12, 2010 10:24pm
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TheMightyGators

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Apr 13, 2010 7:32 AM
Speedofsand wrote: Debose, not Dubose. If his hammy is 100%, he will get touches after Demps, Gillislee, Rainey, etc.
The hype out of Sanford was deserved. He is a great player. Heisman to Brantley in 2011, Debose in 2012.
His hammy is 100%. When Percy played he was never an after guy. If Percy were a red shirt freshman this year, Demps, Gillislee, Rainey, etc. would get touches AFTER him. Like I said, I'll be thrilled if he is the next Percy Harvin, but don't count on it.
Apr 13, 2010 7:32am
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centralbucksfan

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Apr 13, 2010 1:23 PM
gibby08 wrote: Since people are starting to put out Top 25 lists...we might as well do this

1.Mark Ingram
2.Jake Locker
3.Dion Lewis
4.Ryan Mallett
5.Kellen Moore
6.Jacquizz Rogers
7.Johnny Brantley
8.Terrelle Pryor
9.Andrew Luck
10.Matt Barkley

Preseason favorites:Ingram and Locker
Dark Horses:Brantley and Luck
Brantly above guys like Pryor and Barkley? LMAO Mallett? You serious? Funniest damn thing I have read this spring! Thanks for the "LOL". Now put down the sauce!
Apr 13, 2010 1:23pm
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Big Red Monster

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Apr 13, 2010 1:31 PM
I have not gone through this thread, but it seems pretty simple.

Mark Ingram is at the top and everybody else is below him.

I would put Dion Lewis, Ryan Mallet and Rogers on my list as well.

I would imagine there have been people bringing up Pryor. He is on the outside of the top 5 going into the preseason.

What he does in the Miami game will tell the story for him.
Apr 13, 2010 1:31pm
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Footwedge

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Apr 13, 2010 2:09 PM
Ryan Mallet? Wow. And all this love for Locker is mind boggling. How many games has Washington won with him at the helm?
Apr 13, 2010 2:09pm
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centralbucksfan

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Apr 13, 2010 2:15 PM
Big Red Monster wrote: I have not gone through this thread, but it seems pretty simple.

Mark Ingram is at the top and everybody else is below him.

I would put Dion Lewis, Ryan Mallet and Rogers on my list as well.

I would imagine there have been people bringing up Pryor. He is on the outside of the top 5 going into the preseason.

What he does in the Miami game will tell the story for him.
Seriously, what is with the facination with Ryan Mallett? His team lost 5 games last year. Those 5 games, were all the "good" teams on Ark schedule. Check out his stats in those games. In all but one of those, he was below 50% passing. And that game was against Georgia, who turned out not to be very good. He balooned all his stats against the worst part of the schedule. Honestly don't think he deserves to be mentioned in the "preseason" list. Maybe as season goes. But until he does something against a quality team....I don't believe he has earned much.
Apr 13, 2010 2:15pm
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Apr 13, 2010 2:51 PM
centralbucksfan wrote: Seriously, what is with the facination with Ryan Mallett? His team lost 5 games last year. Those 5 games, were all the "good" teams on Ark schedule. Check out his stats in those games. In all but one of those, he was below 50% passing. And that game was against Georgia, who turned out not to be very good. He balooned all his stats against the worst part of the schedule. Honestly don't think he deserves to be mentioned in the "preseason" list. Maybe as season goes. But until he does something against a quality team....I don't believe he has earned much.
I get what you are saying, but look at the Heisman hopefuls who were invited to New York last year, who did McCoy put his big numbers up against?

And you could make that same argument against Pryor, although because he did play well against Oregon everyone seems to forget the regular season.

I don't think it's laughable to put either of those two in the discussion. Pryor has his stage against Miami. Mallett is as talented as any QB in the country and carried his team last year. He's really not playing with as much talent as everyone else in the SEC.
Apr 13, 2010 2:51pm
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centralbucksfan

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Apr 13, 2010 2:54 PM
thedynasty1998 wrote:
centralbucksfan wrote: Seriously, what is with the facination with Ryan Mallett? His team lost 5 games last year. Those 5 games, were all the "good" teams on Ark schedule. Check out his stats in those games. In all but one of those, he was below 50% passing. And that game was against Georgia, who turned out not to be very good. He balooned all his stats against the worst part of the schedule. Honestly don't think he deserves to be mentioned in the "preseason" list. Maybe as season goes. But until he does something against a quality team....I don't believe he has earned much.
I get what you are saying, but look at the Heisman hopefuls who were invited to New York last year, who did McCoy put his big numbers up against?

And you could make that same argument against Pryor, although because he did play well against Oregon everyone seems to forget the regular season.

I don't think it's laughable to put either of those two in the discussion. Pryor has his stage against Miami. Mallett is as talented as any QB in the country and carried his team last year. He's really not playing with as much talent as everyone else in the SEC.
McCoy established himself over a period of 3+yrs. Bad comparison.
And Mallet was flat out BAD in those 4 losses. If he had done "ok", I would give you that. But he was bad. I realize most players pad theirs stats vs the sub par teams. But to be considered THE BEST, you have to play well in big games. Mallett has YET to do so.
Apr 13, 2010 2:54pm