11-1 Indiana not making it?

posted by Laley23

11-1 Indiana not making it?

Yeah, now play

posted by Ironman92

Predictions for Final rankings before playoffs

1. Ohio St

2. Oregon

3. Alabama

4. Penn St

5. Notre Dame

6. Miami

7. Georgia 

8. Ole Miss

9. Tennessee

10. Indiana

11. Colorado

12. Boise St

…South Carolina fans up in arms 

Seeding:

#12 Boise St

#5 Oregon

Winner vs #4 Colorado

#8 Georgia

#9 Ole Miss

Winner vs #1 Ohio St

#6 Penn St

#11 Indiana

Winner vs #3 Miami

#7 Notre Dame

#10 Tennessee

WInners vs #2 Alabama

Oregon over BSU

Oregon over Colorado 

Georgia over Ole Miss

Ohio St over Georgia

Indiana over Penn St

Indiana  over Miami

Tennessee over Notre Dame

Alabama over Tennessee

SEMIS

Oregon over Ohio St

Alabama over Indiana

Championship 

Oregon over Alabama

1. Oregon

2. Ohio State

3. Penn State

4. Alabama

5. UGA

6. Ole Miss

7. Miami

8. Texas

9. Tennessee

10. Boise

11. BYU

12. Colorado

If this happens, I'm going to have to eat crow about Deion.  He's done a great job there thus far.

Ok….so rankings this coming Tuesday 

1. Oregon

2. Texas

3. Penn St

4. Notre Dame

5. Georgia (luck ass)

6. Tennessee

7. SMU

8. Ohio St (wondering if the get SMU over them)

9. Indiana

10. Boise St

11. Arizona St

12. Alabama

13. South Carolina

14. Ole Miss

15. Miami

Seedings:

1. Oregon

2. Texas

3. SMU

4. Boise St

5. Penn St

6. Notre Dame

7. Georgia

8. Tennessee

9. Ohio St

10. Indiana

11. Arizona St

12 Alabama

Thoughts:

South Carolina fans are now huge Clemson fans. If Clemson loses, South Carolina no real chance to jump up…BUT if Clemson beats SMU without too much trouble, South Carolina has an argument over Bama IMO

What if Georgia gets destroyed?

What if Penn St gets throttled? Does that hurt Indiana?

They just need to rank them 1-12 and let that be the seeding. UNLV and BYU can still earn a ranking over Oregon and Texas and that’s assinine

Potential #1 seeds:

Oregon, Texas and Penn St

Potential #2 seeds:

 Texas, Georgia, Penn St

Potential #3 seeds:

SMU, Arizona St, Boise St, Clemson, Iowa St, UNLV

Potential #4 seeds:

Same as #3 above

Potential #5 seeds:

 Notre Dame, Oregon, Texas

Potential #6 seeds:

Notre Dame, Oregon, Texas, Tennessee

Potential #7 seeds:

Tennessee, Penn St, Ohio St

Potential #8 seeds:

Tennessee, Penn St, Ohio St, Georgia

Potential #9 seeds:

Penn St, Ohio St, Arizona St, Georgia

Potential #10 seeds:

Penn St, Ohio St, Georgia, Indiana, Arizona St

Potential #11 seeds:

Penn St, Georgia, Indiana, Arizona St

Potential #12 seeds:

Alabama, South Carolina, Iowa St, UNLV

If BYU wins Colorado is out…leaving 16 teams for the 12 spots with Championship week left.

I’m calling Ole Miss and Miami out 

ESPN pumping Miami?

Nah

And now pushing SMU if they lose?

Nah

OSU ranked 6th….surprised

Arizona St 15th…geesh

Well commissioner just said the teams not playing this weekend can’t change order….ok

I thought Clemson beating SMU 35-13 would strengthen South Carolina’s resume 

So if Boise St loses and SMU loses….I guess Bama will jump ahead of them, but I bet they fall between Miami/Ole Miss/South Carolina, not that it matters.

posted by Ironman92

Well commissioner just said the teams not playing this weekend can’t change order….ok

I thought Clemson beating SMU 35-13 would strengthen South Carolina’s resume 

So if Boise St loses and SMU loses….I guess Bama will jump ahead of them, but I bet they fall between Miami/Ole Miss/South Carolina, not that it matters.

That is an ill advised statement from the commissioner!  Surely they should take into account strengths or weaknesses exposed by the conference championship games that should effect teams in the non-playing mix that have played the teams playing this week.

posted by mhs95_06

That is an ill advised statement from the commissioner!  Surely they should take into account strengths or weaknesses exposed by the conference championship games that should effect teams in the non-playing mix that have played the teams playing this week.

Agree…may not be enough but everything should be considered

I thought he was saying, no matter what, teams not playing this week will not jump or fall behind/in front of other teams not playing this week. 

There can and will be movement, but Texas/Georgia outcome won’t have Indiana move ahead of Tennessee. But it could have the loser/winner move up or down a good bit.

posted by Laley23

I thought he was saying, no matter what, teams not playing this week will not jump or fall behind/in front of other teams not playing this week. 

There can and will be movement, but Texas/Georgia outcome won’t have Indiana move ahead of Tennessee. But it could have the loser/winner move up or down a good bit.

Rece asked him a 2nd time because he was surprised of his answer.

posted by Ironman92

Rece asked him a 2nd time because he was surprised of his answer.

Yeah, I am not sure I disagree with it. 

If you have out of 12 teams:

• Notre Dame
• Ohio State
• Tennessee
• Indiana
• Alabama

...not playing, then I don't think -- despite maybe some SOS/SOR stuff and common opponents stuff altering slightly -- that the order of those 5 teams should shift at all. The teams PLAYING? Yes, they can shift up and less likely down depending on outcome and performance. But the order of those 5 teams who are not playing and cannot add a direct data point to the resume should remain. 

posted by Laley23

Yeah, I am not sure I disagree with it. 

If you have out of 12 teams:

• Notre Dame
• Ohio State
• Tennessee
• Indiana
• Alabama

...not playing, then I don't think -- despite maybe some SOS/SOR stuff and common opponents stuff altering slightly -- that the order of those 5 teams should shift at all. The teams PLAYING? Yes, they can shift up and less likely down depending on outcome and performance. But the order of those 5 teams who are not playing and cannot add a direct data point to the resume should remain. 

I thought they would have Miami lower. Separated Bama and Ole Miss/South Carolina. I have no issue but seems calculated a bit.

Go SMU over Clemson…neither are cont

So, we have Miami pissed off because Alabama passed them with one more loss (ignoring how Alabama's wins are noticeably better than theirs considering they didn't play either of the two teams above them in the ACC and were 2-2 against the four that tied for fourth at 5-3) and we have Old Miss pissed off because they also didn't pass Miami meaning there's too much damn ACC Bias (ignoring how no one outside of them really gives a fuck about their good-but-not-great season that's balanced wins over Georgia and South Carolina with losses to Kentucky and Florida).

Anyone else big mad about how things are shaking out?

I'm still big mad about the scUM loss.

Hoping the current bracket plays out. 

I'll be in Nashville during the first round and Vols fans are weird and delusional (sound familiar? hehe). I'm hoping to beat them, get waxed by Oregon, fire Day and Chip. Give the keys to Urban. Done.

posted by Heretic

So, we have Miami pissed off because Alabama passed them with one more loss (ignoring how Alabama's wins are noticeably better than theirs considering they didn't play either of the two teams above them in the ACC and were 2-2 against the four that tied for fourth at 5-3) and we have Old Miss pissed off because they also didn't pass Miami meaning there's too much damn ACC Bias (ignoring how no one outside of them really gives a fuck about their good-but-not-great season that's balanced wins over Georgia and South Carolina with losses to Kentucky and Florida).

Anyone else big mad about how things are shaking out?

I doubt Arizona St liked their #15 ranking, but they are in control.

Interesting that Miami is that close to Bama.

What if Clemson gets some favorable calls and wins by one against SMU where SMU looked the better team. Does that give SMU a chance to knock Bama out? What if Georgia gets waxed by Texas…does that slightly add to that thought?

I say there’s no way SMU with a loss is above Bama but them putting Miami there makes me wonder.

I watched the ACC closer than any other conference. I believe SMU and Louisville are the 2 best teams.

posted by Ironman92

I doubt Arizona St liked their #15 ranking, but they are in control.

Interesting that Miami is that close to Bama.

What if Clemson gets some favorable calls and wins by one against SMU where SMU looked the better team. Does that give SMU a chance to knock Bama out? What if Georgia gets waxed by Texas…does that slightly add to that thought?

I say there’s no way SMU with a loss is above Bama but them putting Miami there makes me wonder.

I watched the ACC closer than any other conference. I believe SMU and Louisville are the 2 best teams.

To me, the thing that hurts Alabama (or Old Miss, for that matter) is who they lost to. It's one thing to talk about how great the SEC is when you have 3-4 great teams trading wins with each other and beating all the rest, but in competitive games where "the rest" looks like they'd be in contention in any other conference.

When it wins up looking like you have no great teams because Georgia got beat by Alabama and Old Miss, Alabama and Old Miss lost multiple times to mediocre-to-decent teams and Texas needed last week to get a win over anyone over .500 in SEC play, it kind of hurts them in pulling away from other teams with not-that-elite resumes like a Miami.

Also, with this being the first year of the expanding playoffs, I think you can expect future ranking decisions to be based somewhat in how this year's playoffs turn out. Kind of like how the Big 10 might get 9 teams into the NCAA BB tournament one year, but if 7 of them are gone after the first weekend, it'll be 6 or so the next year unless they're really dominant in the non-conference games.

If the SEC teams roll everyone and look like the best conference hands down, the Old Miss teams of the world will get the benefit of the doubt next year. If their at-large teams are all gone after the first round, the Miamis of the world will be in there and those three-loss SEC teams are fucked.

posted by Heretic

To me, the thing that hurts Alabama (or Old Miss, for that matter) is who they lost to. It's one thing to talk about how great the SEC is when you have 3-4 great teams trading wins with each other and beating all the rest, but in competitive games where "the rest" looks like they'd be in contention in any other conference.

When it wins up looking like you have no great teams because Georgia got beat by Alabama and Old Miss, Alabama and Old Miss lost multiple times to mediocre-to-decent teams and Texas needed last week to get a win over anyone over .500 in SEC play, it kind of hurts them in pulling away from other teams with not-that-elite resumes like a Miami.

Also, with this being the first year of the expanding playoffs, I think you can expect future ranking decisions to be based somewhat in how this year's playoffs turn out. Kind of like how the Big 10 might get 9 teams into the NCAA BB tournament one year, but if 7 of them are gone after the first weekend, it'll be 6 or so the next year unless they're really dominant in the non-conference games.

If the SEC teams roll everyone and look like the best conference hands down, the Old Miss teams of the world will get the benefit of the doubt next year. If their at-large teams are all gone after the first round, the Miamis of the world will be in there and those three-loss SEC teams are fucked.

Agree with all

I just thought the whole point of expanding was to eliminate the teams who lose and give those who don't a chance to make it. Because hypotheticals suck. Like, yes, Alabama would be favored over Indiana, SMU, etc. But those teams have earned the way into the top-12, Alabama has not. If we are going to ONLY try for the best (not the most deserving), then I would rather drop back to 4 teams...

posted by Laley23

I just thought the whole point of expanding was to eliminate the teams who lose and give those who don't a chance to make it. Because hypotheticals suck. Like, yes, Alabama would be favored over Indiana, SMU, etc. But those teams have earned the way into the top-12, Alabama has not. If we are going to ONLY try for the best (not the most deserving), then I would rather drop back to 4 teams...

These super conferences are so big….IU crushed their competition, but no Oregon, no Penn St

Penn St….no Oregon, no IU

SEC played more top tier teams but they beat each other.

ACC is stupid big too….big teams miss other big teams.

I said from week 1 that there will be at least 1 3-loss team in these playoffs (my obvious guess was LSU)

I believe South Carolina is a top 12, but they lost to the wrong teams

Playoffs will be fun but the 3 and 4 seeds will be underserved and should just rank 1-12