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Hamp89
Posts: 625
Dec 2, 2009 9:13pm
Interesting. Makes sense.sjmvsfscs08 wrote: Also found this out there:
"As mentioned before, most universities hire an outside consultant to look at a number of candidates and use back channels to communicate about coaching positions. In this day and age, obviously information needs to be kept confidential when peoples’ jobs are being talked about and that is the way it’s done now.
From the information I have gathered, the consultant that represents Notre Dame has talked to people from the Stoop’s party and have an agreement in place verbally for him to accept the job.
So, when Bob Stoops says he hasn’t talked to Notre Dame, he’s telling the truth. When Jack Swarbrick says he hasn’t talked to any coaches, he’s telling the truth. A middle man (lack of a better term) handles these things confidentially.
What I have heard from five different sources is that the Stoop’s party has agreed verbally to most of the contract between the two parties and is just waiting to get the final word on if his financial demands are going to be met by Notre Dame."
http://www.foulballs.net/2009/11/report-on-scoutcom-says-its-bob-stoops.html
I absolutely buy that.
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sjmvsfscs08
Posts: 2,963
Dec 2, 2009 9:24pm
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Dec 2, 2009 10:12pm
Saw that this evening on UHND. That hurt my stomach reading that story.sjmvsfscs08 wrote: http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/story/1806413.html
Yeah, but so does this. :s
Obviously I want Stoops because I feel he gives ND the best chance to win. But is it bad that I really really want Stoops just to rub it in the haters' collective faces?
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Teabagger
Posts: 43
Dec 2, 2009 10:21pm
If you were referring to my post, I know you revealed this info 2 weeks ago. I was trying to give you kudos for all the info you posted. I understand now why you didn't want to just put on the board, instead using pm's. I still very much believe what you said, and look forward to more info as it comes in.athlete37 wrote: I don't know if this is the point of your post, but I actually did reveal all of this to anyone who asked when I posted this thread exactly two weeks ago... lol
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rock_knutne
Dec 2, 2009 10:22pm
I still don't see anything in that article that gives 100% proof that Stoops is denying it. He keeps tip toing around the question, maybe he is coming to South Bend after all. If he is so set on ending the speculation, all he has to say is "no".sjmvsfscs08 wrote: http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/story/1806413.html
Yeah, but so does this. :s
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Dec 2, 2009 10:31pm
I'm not gonna lie......I'm concerned that this is not going to happen now. If it's not Stoops.....it's gotta be Harbaugh or Kelly. Adam Schefter backtracking has me thinking twice. So should I believe him when he says that Notre Dame is not interested in Brian Kelly because they want a coach with a defensive resume? In that case......I'm thinking Harbaugh....who was actually higher on my want list than Stoops. Don't get me wrong....I wanted it to be Stoops...BAD. But, I wanted Harbaugh from the beginning. He and Paul Johnson were tops and I don't see any scenario that will find PJ in South Bend next season.
Mooney44Cards
Posts: 2,754
Dec 2, 2009 10:35pm
I'm starting to set my sights on Butch Davis. I'll take him over Brian Kelly any day of the week.
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sjmvsfscs08
Posts: 2,963
Dec 2, 2009 10:59pm
I've seen it like this from the beginning:
1-Urban Meyer
2-Bob Stoops
3-Butch Davis
4-Brian Kelly
5-Jim Harbaugh
While I still think the Stoops deal can be done, the Schefter backtracking scares the shit out of me. Butch Davis is 58 years old...that's not young. Lou Holtz was 50(ish) when he took the job, by comparison.
Brian Kelly grows on me more and more every day. Once I heard his defense replaced ten starters and that he was originally a defensive coach I began to like him more.
I like Harbaugh's moxie and demeanor, but that offense sure was boring. Still though, Notre Dame gets players that are a lot better than Stanford, and he not only beat Southern Cal, be beat the shit out of them.
1-Urban Meyer
2-Bob Stoops
3-Butch Davis
4-Brian Kelly
5-Jim Harbaugh
While I still think the Stoops deal can be done, the Schefter backtracking scares the shit out of me. Butch Davis is 58 years old...that's not young. Lou Holtz was 50(ish) when he took the job, by comparison.
Brian Kelly grows on me more and more every day. Once I heard his defense replaced ten starters and that he was originally a defensive coach I began to like him more.
I like Harbaugh's moxie and demeanor, but that offense sure was boring. Still though, Notre Dame gets players that are a lot better than Stanford, and he not only beat Southern Cal, be beat the shit out of them.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Dec 2, 2009 11:04pm
I'm not gonna be some phony and attempt to lessen the blow by saying some BS like I never wanted Stoops anyways because I did. Still do. But, I really wanted it to be Harbaugh from the jump. I certainly wouldn't mind Kelly (you make a great point about how many defenders they've had to replace since last season) but now Schefter is reporting that ND isn't interested in him. But how much stock can we put into what Schefter says now?
killdeer
Posts: 1,538
Dec 2, 2009 11:05pm
I hear Bobby Bowden is available...........:dodgy:
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rock_knutne
Dec 2, 2009 11:06pm
I do not want Harbaugh or Davis. Davis just stears me the wong way and I don't like Harbaugh's punk attitude and neither seem to exude class........JMHO.
If they can't get Meyer or Stoops then you go with Kelly, he's as close to being a "hot commodity" as Urban Meyer was five years ago.
If they can't get Meyer or Stoops then you go with Kelly, he's as close to being a "hot commodity" as Urban Meyer was five years ago.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Dec 2, 2009 11:09pm
So what is more important......hiring a "hot commodity" or the hiring "the right man for the job"? There are a lot of reasons why Kelly might be the right guy for ND, but it's not because he's a "hot commodity" IMO. I'm not concerned with ND getting a coach that other schools would want/want......I'm worried about them getting it right.
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rock_knutne
Dec 2, 2009 11:11pm
killer_ewok wrote:But how much stock can we put into what Schefter says now?
I don't know how many of you remember this but Schefter is the guy who broke the "Weis to the NFL" story five games in to his first year at ND. Schefter is a Michigan man and it was thought that he started reporting the Weis story to throw a wrench in to ND's recruiting under Weis. I never bought the story but if he did anything, he fueled that ridiculous contract extension they gave him. He's definitley shady in my book.
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rock_knutne
Dec 2, 2009 11:15pm
I agree with you, I also want "the right man". I'm just saying that Kelly reminds me alot of Urban Meyer when he was at his height at Utah, in fact it's scary how similar the situation is, their paths to success are virtually identical. The only difference is, unlike five years ago, there's no other big jobs out there that could hinder ND from getting a proven guy like Kelly who's won everywhere he's been.killer_ewok wrote: So what is more important......hiring a "hot commodity" or the hiring "the right man for the job"? There are a lot of reasons why Kelly might be the right guy for ND, but it's not because he's a "hot commodity" IMO. I'm not concerned with ND getting a coach that other schools would want/want......I'm worried about them getting it right.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Dec 2, 2009 11:17pm
Fair enough, Rock. Can't say that I disagree.
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Hamp89
Posts: 625
Dec 2, 2009 11:21pm
If the Stoops deal falls through, my pick would easily be Kelly. He has had more success and much more experience as a head coach at the college level. It's what ND needs. Hiring a Harbaugh is just like hiring a Willingham - a guy who's having a decent year and stock is currently high, but has no real credible resume.
The only reason people are talking about Harbaugh IMO, is because he beat USC again this year, which as we now know isn't that big of a deal. This will be Harbaugh's first winning season at Stanford and he was pretty damn close to being 0-3 against Weis and TERRIBLE ND teams, again nothing to write home about.
The only reason people are talking about Harbaugh IMO, is because he beat USC again this year, which as we now know isn't that big of a deal. This will be Harbaugh's first winning season at Stanford and he was pretty damn close to being 0-3 against Weis and TERRIBLE ND teams, again nothing to write home about.
Mooney44Cards
Posts: 2,754
Dec 2, 2009 11:21pm
Urban Meyer was an assistant at a major D1 program (Notre Dame). Brian Kelly has exactly ZERO experience at a big time program. What he has done this year is comparable to Boise State, and thats not a compliment.rock_knutne wrote:I agree with you, I also want "the right man". I'm just saying that Kelly reminds me alot of Urban Meyer when he was at his height at Utah, in fact it's scary how similar the situation is, their paths to success are virtually identical. The only difference is, unlike five years ago, there's no other big jobs out there that could hinder ND from getting a proven guy like Kelly who's won everywhere he's been.killer_ewok wrote: So what is more important......hiring a "hot commodity" or the hiring "the right man for the job"? There are a lot of reasons why Kelly might be the right guy for ND, but it's not because he's a "hot commodity" IMO. I'm not concerned with ND getting a coach that other schools would want/want......I'm worried about them getting it right.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Dec 2, 2009 11:35pm
Beating USC this year isn't a big deal but thrashing them like Stanford did is. Also, Harbaugh led Stanford to a victory over USC when his team was a 40-point underdog against a pretty darn good Trojan team. And I like Harbaugh's enthusiasm which is something that the stoic Willingham didn't have on the sidelines. And Stanford was a dismal program prior to his arrival and now they're ranked for the first time in years and have a Heisman contender in their backfield. Harbaugh has won more games in 3 years than Stanford did in the 5 years prior to his arrival. He was also pretty successful at his coaching gig prior to heading to Palo Alto (San Diego or San Jose - whichever one it was). This isn't some one year thing. Harbaugh was always a fiery competitor who wore his heart on his sleeve at Michigan and during his playing days in the NFL. He and Willingham aren't that much alike at all other than the Stanford thing.Hamp89 wrote: If the Stoops deal falls through, my pick would easily be Kelly. He has had more success and much more experience as a head coach at the college level. It's what ND needs. Hiring a Harbaugh is just like hiring a Willingham - a guy who's having a decent year and stock is currently high, but has no real credible resume.
The only reason people are talking about Harbaugh IMO, is because he beat USC again this year, which as we now know isn't that big of a deal. This will be Harbaugh's first winning season at Stanford and he was pretty damn close to being 0-3 against Weis and TERRIBLE ND teams, again nothing to write home about.
Mooney44Cards
Posts: 2,754
Dec 2, 2009 11:38pm
I think Harbaugh is a cocky dickhead and is gonna bolt for the NFL. The LAST thing Notre Dame needs is for its new coach to snub them a year or 2 down the road. You think the media is piling on now? Wait until Harbaugh sniffs success at ND and the NFL comes calling.
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rock_knutne
Dec 2, 2009 11:40pm
Mooney44Cards wrote:Urban Meyer was an assistant at a major D1 program (Notre Dame). Brian Kelly has exactly ZERO experience at a big time program. What he has done this year is comparable to Boise State, and thats not a compliment.rock_knutne wrote:I agree with you, I also want "the right man". I'm just saying that Kelly reminds me alot of Urban Meyer when he was at his height at Utah, in fact it's scary how similar the situation is, their paths to success are virtually identical. The only difference is, unlike five years ago, there's no other big jobs out there that could hinder ND from getting a proven guy like Kelly who's won everywhere he's been.killer_ewok wrote: So what is more important......hiring a "hot commodity" or the hiring "the right man for the job"? There are a lot of reasons why Kelly might be the right guy for ND, but it's not because he's a "hot commodity" IMO. I'm not concerned with ND getting a coach that other schools would want/want......I'm worried about them getting it right.
That may be true but the guy is a winner and can coach.
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Hamp89
Posts: 625
Dec 2, 2009 11:42pm
I got a bad vibe on Harbaugh watching the Stanford/ND game, and just didn't like the way he carried himself. Agreed that ND needs a coach who shows emotion, God knows it's been 13 years since we've seen it, I just don't think Harbaugh is the right fit. He did well at San Diego St., and has shown improvement at Stanford, but I still like Kelly's resume and ability to win.
I just hope the Stoops story doesn't fall through.
I just hope the Stoops story doesn't fall through.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Dec 2, 2009 11:44pm
I'm fine with them hiring Kelly but Schefter is reporting that ND isn't. He's been wrong before though (maybe). This is so confusing......
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Hamp89
Posts: 625
Dec 2, 2009 11:45pm
Yeah I was only comparing Harbaugh's current stock to what Willingham's was before coming to ND. People were high on him for his quick success, but he didn't really do anything long term yet. ND needs a coach who has sustained success for a longer period of time. No more guessing.killer_ewok wrote:Beating USC this year isn't a big deal but thrashing them like Stanford did is. Also, Harbaugh led Stanford to a victory over USC when his team was a 40-point underdog against a pretty darn good Trojan team. And I like Harbaugh's enthusiasm which is something that the stoic Willingham didn't have on the sidelines. And Stanford was a dismal program prior to his arrival and now they're ranked for the first time in years and have a Heisman contender in their backfield. Harbaugh has won more games in 3 years than Stanford did in the 5 years prior to his arrival. He was also pretty successful at his coaching gig prior to heading to Palo Alto (San Diego or San Jose - whichever one it was). This isn't some one year thing. Harbaugh was always a fiery competitor who wore his heart on his sleeve at Michigan and during his playing days in the NFL. He and Willingham aren't that much alike at all other than the Stanford thing.Hamp89 wrote: If the Stoops deal falls through, my pick would easily be Kelly. He has had more success and much more experience as a head coach at the college level. It's what ND needs. Hiring a Harbaugh is just like hiring a Willingham - a guy who's having a decent year and stock is currently high, but has no real credible resume.
The only reason people are talking about Harbaugh IMO, is because he beat USC again this year, which as we now know isn't that big of a deal. This will be Harbaugh's first winning season at Stanford and he was pretty damn close to being 0-3 against Weis and TERRIBLE ND teams, again nothing to write home about.
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pooter
Posts: 148
Dec 2, 2009 11:47pm
Hamp89 wrote: I got a bad vibe on Harbaugh watching the Stanford/ND game, and just didn't like the way he carried himself. Agreed that ND needs a coach who shows emotion, God knows it's been 13 years since we've seen it, I just don't think Harbaugh is the right fit. He did well at San Diego St., and has shown improvement at Stanford, but I still like Kelly's resume and ability to win.
I just hope the Stoops story doesn't fall through.
Bill Cowher shows a lot of emotions.
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rock_knutne
Dec 2, 2009 11:47pm
He also comes across to me that way and it's just not now, he was the same way when he played at Michigan and in the NFL. I personally did not like it when he went for two against USC (and I hate USC more than my mother-in-lawMooney44Cards wrote: I think Harbaugh is a cocky dickhead
), bush league tactics like that eventually comeback to bite you in the ass and it's a personna I would never want at ND. I want a motivator like Holtz or Ara who also projects class. Holtz would drop 50 points on Navy and would look gracious in the process.