thesystem wrote: Or the story of Horus, which dates back to 3000 A.D. You know the deity who mirrored the story of christ almost exactly.

Christians are not going to come out and say 'yeah, our religion was copied from others. The messiah, symbolism (lots of pagan symbols used), attire, holidays (most pagan holiday dates stolen to be replaced with christian holidays - largely to make it easier for them to convert), and so on were all taken from other religions'. They're going to discount any research that has been done to show them otherwise, and tell you their research is the truth.

Horus - 3000 BC - Egypt
born on the 25th of dec
from a virgin
3 kings
teacher at 12
12 disciples
miracles
crucified
dead 3 days
resurrected

Attis - 1200 BC - Greece
born on the 25th of dec
from a virgin
crucified
dead 3 days
resurrected

Krishna - 900 BC - India
from a virgin
performed miracles
resurrected

Dionysus - 500 BC - Greece
from a virgin
on the 25th of dec
performed miracles
resurrected

Mithra - 1200 BC - Persia
from a virgin
on dec 25th
12 disciples
performed miracles
dead 3 days
resurrected
worshipped on sunday

buckeyefalls wrote: By the way, copy/pasting is a violation of the law if you don't credit your sources.

thesystem,

Wow, what a terrible job you do. I would take more time to respond to you, but I can see you weren't typing because you seriously believe all that crap you stole from other places; rather, just tryiing to irritate those of us who do believe. Guess what, not bothering me today.

All I will say is that you are wrong on so many levels:

Jesus didn't claim to be God? You even start with a mistake. Even non-believers know that He did. "I and the Father are one!"

Again, I could go on, but unless you actually post something relevant to the discussion that you didn't steal from another place, not worth my time.

buckeyefalls wrote: I'm not calling other beliefs crazy. All I can tell you is that all their "gods" are dead and STILL dead. Mine can't be found in a grave buddy. (unless he's buried with Jimmy)....

Your John 3:16 quote is just one verse in the same Gospel which Jesus claims to be the same as the Father. They are 3 distinct beings, but one in Divinity.

Consider an analogy of water. What is water?

H2O

If you freeze water, it becomes ice, but NEVER loses its H2O qualities. It serves a different purpose now as ice.

Same as steam...it becomes steam, but NEVER loses its H2O qualities. It serves a different purpose as well, but always remains H2O, just like ice.

They are 3 different "forms" but still take on 1 general make-up.

Same can be said of God. Jesus and the Spirit are different. They play different roles, serve different purposes; however, they NEVER lose the fact that they are of God and from God.

By the way, I'll gladly interact with you if you are being serious.

buckeyefalls wrote: Then that really is a bummer Big_Mirg for all these people (i.e. thesystem, Fairwood, etc.) who want to claim historical references as to why Christianity was made up. Because, see, if they do that, then they have to claim historical evidence from non-believers around 20 AD and beyond who claim to have seen Jesus and only call him a prophet and not the Messiah. That would sure mess up most of history, wouldn't it?

I mean, non-religious people can claim Jesus never existed, but that would be as foolish as me saying George Washington never existed since I've never seen him. Even non-Christian historians believe a man walked on the earth claiming to be God named Jesus in the early AD time frame.

I love when people try to re-write history. It's okay if you don't want to claim Him as your Lord or call Him God, but to totally deny he existed really shows ignorance.

buckeyefalls wrote: thesystem,

Not that you'll spend time reading any of these, but here are some links that if you, or others, really want to know the truth, can go to.

Your comments about Horus are absolutely false. No where can you find the things you listed about him above as true in historical documentation (Egyptian or elsewhere). Please stop posting things from Philosophy 101 that can't even be backed up by facts!

http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/Home.html

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

I can find more if you want. By the way, I like what the guy from the first site is offering. He'll pay you $1,000 to ANYONE who can prove that comments like yours above about individuals such as Horus are true.

Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:

buckeyefalls wrote: Then that really is a bummer Big_Mirg for all these people (i.e. thesystem, Fairwood, etc.) who want to claim historical references as to why Christianity was made up. Because, see, if they do that, then they have to claim historical evidence from non-believers around 20 AD and beyond who claim to have seen Jesus and only call him a prophet and not the Messiah. That would sure mess up most of history, wouldn't it?

I mean, non-religious people can claim Jesus never existed, but that would be as foolish as me saying George Washington never existed since I've never seen him. Even non-Christian historians believe a man walked on the earth claiming to be God named Jesus in the early AD time frame.

I love when people try to re-write history. It's okay if you don't want to claim Him as your Lord or call Him God, but to totally deny he existed really shows ignorance.

To totally deny every other view point shows ignorance. Which is what you're doing.

Society wrote: It's obvious that fairwoodking and bigmirg do not want to accept Jesus as Real because they are sinners. Deal with it. You both fail at life.

Society wrote: It's obvious that fairwoodking and bigmirg do not want to accept Jesus as Real because they are sinners. Deal with it. You both fail at life.

buckeyefalls wrote: So Big Mirg, what is one to do? They must accept what they believe is true based on faith and some evidence.

1. I can prove an empty tomb.
2. I can prove a man named Jesus Christ once walked the earth.
3. He claimed to be God.

Why is it when non-believers post material, it is accepted by people like you as "Gospel" (play on words) but when Christians refute their material by PROVING that literature doesn't exist to support claims such as Horus', etc. we are quickly told we can't back it up by facts.

The scenerio of Horus and others was brought to the table as an argument that Christianity is a mirrored religion and made-up.

There IS proof that no such literature exists to support the "false" statements about Horus. If there IS proof that literature exists, prove it to me! Heck, maybe I'll even throw in some of my own money to you.

I'm VERY confident you can't find literature to support such claims unless written by a philosophy student who just accepts whatever Tom, Dick and Harry professor they had tells them is true.

FairwoodKing wrote:

Society wrote: It's obvious that fairwoodking and bigmirg do not want to accept Jesus as Real because they are sinners. Deal with it. You both fail at life.

I haven't failed at anything, you dumb asshole.

I believe Jesus was a man who walked the earth 2000 years ago and tried to convince people that he was the messiah. He wasn't the only one claiming to be the messiah and to be of a virgin birth. If you wanted to be the messiah, you had to claim to be of a virgin birth because that was part of the ancient prophesy. Yes, some people did believe him. But so what? Even in today's world, people can be brainwashed very easily. Look at what Hitler did.

As far as sin is concerned, it is a man-made concept used to keep people in line. According to the Bible, eating pork chops is a sin. I enjoy my pork chops and I don't worry about it.

eersandbeers wrote: The evidence that a man named Jesus and a God named Horus existed are the same.

Outside of biblical sources, there is no evidence a man named Jesus even existed. If there was a man walking around performing all these miracles don't you think his named would have been mentioned in numerous historical documents?

The story of Horus is brought up because the events in the life of Jesus almost exactly mirror the events in the life of Horus. Which brings about the question of credibility regarding the tale of Jesus.

buckeyefalls wrote: Fairwood,

Name calling? Didn't know that was allowed here on Ohio Chatter.

Regardless, we see a "dumb" statement by you. Pork chops? Show me where Gentiles are forbidden to eat anything under the New Testament covenantal law.

FairwoodKing wrote:

Society wrote: It's obvious that fairwoodking and bigmirg do not want to accept Jesus as Real because they are sinners. Deal with it. You both fail at life.

I haven't failed at anything, you dumb asshole.

I believe Jesus was a man who walked the earth 2000 years ago and tried to convince people that he was the messiah. He wasn't the only one claiming to be the messiah and to be of a virgin birth. If you wanted to be the messiah, you had to claim to be of a virgin birth because that was part of the ancient prophesy. Yes, some people did believe him. But so what? Even in today's world, people can be brainwashed very easily. Look at what Hitler did.

As far as sin is concerned, it is a man-made concept used to keep people in line. According to the Bible, eating pork chops is a sin. I enjoy my pork chops and I don't worry about it.

buckeyefalls wrote: thesystem,

Not that you'll spend time reading any of these, but here are some links that if you, or others, really want to know the truth, can go to.

Your comments about Horus are absolutely false. No where can you find the things you listed about him above as true in historical documentation (Egyptian or elsewhere). Please stop posting things from Philosophy 101 that can't even be backed up by facts!

http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/Home.html

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

I can find more if you want. By the way, I like what the guy from the first site is offering. He'll pay you $1,000 to ANYONE who can prove that comments like yours above about individuals such as Horus are true.

FairwoodKing wrote:

Society wrote: It's obvious that fairwoodking and bigmirg do not want to accept Jesus as Real because they are sinners. Deal with it. You both fail at life.

I haven't failed at anything, you dumb asshole.

I believe Jesus was a man who walked the earth 2000 years ago and tried to convince people that he was the messiah. He wasn't the only one claiming to be the messiah and to be of a virgin birth. If you wanted to be the messiah, you had to claim to be of a virgin birth because that was part of the ancient prophesy. Yes, some people did believe him. But so what? Even in today's world, people can be brainwashed very easily. Look at what Hitler did.

As far as sin is concerned, it is a man-made concept used to keep people in line. According to the Bible, eating pork chops is a sin. I enjoy my pork chops and I don't worry about it.