40 minutes played - 1-8 from field, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 2 fouls, 3 points.....

Ouch.

He's going to have to live with this performance the entire offseason.

Everybody knows how much you dislike Diebler. He did play bad, but he is also one of the main reasons we were in the sweet 16.

Pretty close to posting an impressive 40 trillion.

It's time to accept that he isn't as good as A LOT of people think he is guys, I understand the Ohio Legend stuff--but he's overrated.

When threads like this are made about him after every season, it's a pretty good indication.

Turner will be a big loss, no question, but top programs return with some of the same players, add new ones and go after it again.

This isn't the end of OSU basketball by any means.

Diebler needs to use this as motivation and have a strong senior year.

I know people will come on here and defend him for his first 2 games in the tourney, but you are only as good as your last game.

And it wasn't just his offense, it was the worst display of defense I think I've ever seen at this level. That replay when the Tenn player just put his shoulder in his chest and dunked on him should be on a poster in Diebler's locker to see all offseason.

When you play worse than I thought was possible in the Sweet 16 you bring it on yourself.

He improved his game this year. Tonight, he definately had a bad game. For all you Diebler bashers. Click on the 2011 mock draft. www.nbadraft.net

thedynasty1998 wrote: I know people will come on here and defend him for his first 2 games in the tourney, but you are only as good as your last game.

And it wasn't just his offense, it was the worst display of defense I think I've ever seen at this level. That replay when the Tenn player just put his shoulder in his chest and dunked on him should be on a poster in Diebler's locker to see all offseason.

When you play worse than I thought was possible in the Sweet 16 you bring it on yourself.

Why not call out the other players that played horrible. Dallas didn't do anything, and Buford, besides the first few minutes, didn't do anything offensively or defensively either.

ccrunner609 wrote:

elbuckeye28 wrote:

thedynasty1998 wrote: I know people will come on here and defend him for his first 2 games in the tourney, but you are only as good as your last game.

And it wasn't just his offense, it was the worst display of defense I think I've ever seen at this level. That replay when the Tenn player just put his shoulder in his chest and dunked on him should be on a poster in Diebler's locker to see all offseason.

When you play worse than I thought was possible in the Sweet 16 you bring it on yourself.

Why not call out the other players that played horrible. Dallas didn't do anything, and Buford, besides the first few minutes, didn't do anything offensively or defensively either.

Buford had 15 points...............what game did you watch?

I said besides the first few minutes. He had like 9 points by the first tv timeout.

thedynasty1998 wrote: but you are only as good as your last game.

Highly disagree with that statement

DeyDurkie5 wrote:

thedynasty1998 wrote: but you are only as good as your last game.

Highly disagree with that statement

Agreed. Going by that logic, Michael Jordan couldn't even lead his team to the playoffs.

Buford played the worst defense I have seen this year. he had a guy dunking towards him and he simply got out of the way!

september63 wrote: Buford played the worst defense I have seen this year. he had a guy dunking towards him and he simply got out of the way!

Plus the last play of the first half, Dallas came out and couldn't recover and Buford should have helped. Instead he watches the guys shoot a lay up.

This was the kind of game where for a player like Diebler, it's make or break.

Either come through with the big shots and become known as a great clutch player or falter. And he was awful. No way to sugarcoat it. If this is the last game or most important game he will ever play at OSU, he will be defined by this disastrous game.

So he has a lot to redeem next year. The team needs to perform well enough for him to have another shot not to make up for this, which would take a lot.

ccrunner609 wrote:

elbuckeye28 wrote:

ccrunner609 wrote:

elbuckeye28 wrote:

thedynasty1998 wrote: I know people will come on here and defend him for his first 2 games in the tourney, but you are only as good as your last game.

And it wasn't just his offense, it was the worst display of defense I think I've ever seen at this level. That replay when the Tenn player just put his shoulder in his chest and dunked on him should be on a poster in Diebler's locker to see all offseason.

When you play worse than I thought was possible in the Sweet 16 you bring it on yourself.

Why not call out the other players that played horrible. Dallas didn't do anything, and Buford, besides the first few minutes, didn't do anything offensively or defensively either.

Buford had 15 points...............what game did you watch?

I said besides the first few minutes. He had like 9 points by the first tv timeout.

Oh so since it was in the first few minutes then they dont count? My coach always said that its not the shots and the end that you miss but the ones in the beginning that hurt.

Are you really having trouble understanding my point?

ccrunner, you mentioned Diebler is better bc he plays with the likes of Turner and Lighty. I like David Lighty's game. Check the website I posted. Diebler gets drafted and Lighty doesnt. These are NBA scout type people, not just inet schmucks like you and I.

It's not all about one player, but this thread is specifically about one player.

If you're Jon Diebler tonight, undoubtedly you know you stunk up the joint.

I think when you recruit a player like him, with the ability to shoot and the great high school legacy, there is the hope that he might be the hero guy. A difference maker. NCAA Tournament. Big shots.

This was certainly that time and he fell incredibly short.

I'm a believer that Diebler has helped this team all year. Actually surprised me this year. But I am a little confused how you can play 40 minutes in any basketball game at 6'7 and not get one rebound. That part, I don't get.

september63 wrote: ccrunner, you mentioned Diebler is better bc he plays with the likes of Turner and Lighty. I like David Lighty's game. Check the website I posted. Diebler gets drafted and Lighty doesnt. These are NBA scout type people, not just inet schmucks like you and I.

Same NBA scouts that overrated Kwame Brown, said Darko was as good as Melo and MAYBE even LeBron, labelled JJ Redick and Adam Morrison as lottery picks. Jordan didn't go #1. Kobe was picked what? 17th, 18th? Point is, they're wrong on a pretty consistent basis. There are some guys you obviously can't miss on, but they aren't always right.

That being said, regardless of what they say give me Lighty over Diebler all day as far as the NBA goes. Diebler won't do shit in the league--I wouldn't be surprised if he never played a single NBA minute. IMO, Lighty could be a decent player in the league because of DEFENSE. That man can play D, defensive minded players find homes in the NBA. He'll get his shot just like Diebler does, whether he's drafted or not. Anyone gets a "shot" now with the D-league in play, it's just a minors for the NBA obviously. But I like Lighty's chances of getting on a roster a hell of a lot better than Dieblers.

But with all of that being said, regardless of their potential draft position, it doesn't mean that Diebler doesn't benefit from Lighty. Any elementary basketball mind could see how that would be true just knowing the kind of players they are--you don't even have to watch them play. Diebler is a set shooter, Lighty is a slasher. Lighty plays off the dribble a lot--players like Diebler rely on guys that play off the dribble to shrink the D and hit them in open spots. So he's still right, Diebler's best asset is Turner and Lighty. If he had to create his own shot, he'd be AWFUL. But a shooter is a shooter, he's streaky as hell but he can still shoot the rock. Problem for him is, even set shooters have to be able to create for themselves in the NBA. 3 point shooters are a dime a dozen in the league--if you don't believe me, look at a guy like Boobie Gibson. He hardly gets minutes for the Cavs, but he's a hell of a 3 point shooter. There are always new names at the top of the list of 3 ball shooters every year, new guys in the 3 point contest every year. There are plenty of guys who play off of other guys in the NBA and are basically set shooters--but they can all create for themselves. A good example is Cook from OSU. He's not great at it, but he can still create his own shot when he has to. Diebler can't do that in the Big 10--he's not near athletic enough to do it in the NBA. Can't play defense for shit either, and he's not very strong. Can you imagine him trying to guard Mike Conley? Conley is an average guard in the NBA, he would abuse Diebler. I'm not sure you could say he'd do the same to Lighty...

september63 wrote: ccrunner, you mentioned Diebler is better bc he plays with the likes of Turner and Lighty. I like David Lighty's game. Check the website I posted. Diebler gets drafted and Lighty doesnt. These are NBA scout type people, not just inet schmucks like you and I.

Umm, clicked on the link. Diebler is nowhere to be found in that mock draft.

Lighty does have a shot in the NBA because he's so athletic, buys into defense and is still improving. Look at a guy like Jawad Williams, I think Lighty could take the same route to the NBA.

See the Diebler vs. Scheyer thread on my opinion about Diebler in the NBA.

The thing that people seem to be ignoring is Diebler's defense yesterday. Not only was he bad offensively, but he gave no effort on defense.

For those idiots who want to compare Diebler to Lighty and Burford, here are the stats:
Diebler: 40 minutes, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 3 points
Lighty: 26 minutes, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 9 points
Buford: 40 minutes, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 0 blocks, 15 points

Simmons: 14 minutes, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 9 points

Laughable that peple are putting Diebler in the same boat as the other two. If I'm Evan Turner, David Lighty or Buford, I'm kicking Diebler's ass after this game. And I really mean that. When you are a team and one guys completely fails to do his job and you lose by 2, you need to make it known that it's not acceptable.

Bottom line. The buckeyes didn't come to play. They all played bad with the exception of Turner. They were just out played physically and with the refs letting them play it put OSU at a disadvantage because Tennessee was way more physical then OSU.

When you get this deep in the tournament you need to bring your A game and OSU did not.

thedynasty1998 wrote: Lighty does have a shot in the NBA because he's so athletic, buys into defense and is still improving. Look at a guy like Jawad Williams, I think Lighty could take the same route to the NBA.

See the Diebler vs. Scheyer thread on my opinion about Diebler in the NBA.

The thing that people seem to be ignoring is Diebler's defense yesterday. Not only was he bad offensively, but he gave no effort on defense.

For those idiots who want to compare Diebler to Lighty and Burford, here are the stats:
Diebler: 40 minutes, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 3 points
Lighty: 26 minutes, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 9 points
Buford: 40 minutes, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 0 blocks, 15 points

Simmons: 14 minutes, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 9 points

Laughable that peple are putting Diebler in the same boat as the other two. If I'm Evan Turner, David Lighty or Buford, I'm kicking Diebler's ass after this game. And I really mean that. When you are a team and one guys completely fails to do his job and you lose by 2, you need to make it known that it's not acceptable.

I agree with you on some level but it isn't Diebler's fault Matta didn't sit for a while. Simmons played ok when he was in there. A little bench time might have brought Diebler around.

just_a_swimmer wrote: They were just out played physically and with the refs letting them play it put OSU at a disadvantage because Tennessee was way more physical then OSU.

Very true. And OSU's depth hurts them in that type of game as well. That's on Matta to get more than 6 guys prepared over the course of the season if you ask me.