Also the incentive pay structures to attract students who as stated before only 16 of 100 get their worthless degree. The fact the schools call people who ask for information and leave messages saying "Dear ___, call me back I have an offer that will change your life." I am pretty biased after digging into Apollo's practices but I think the whole thing is a little sleazy.

Most organizations do have a structure similar to a corporation but Apollo has its own CEO then a Phoenix executive etc... Its essentially a subsidiary. I doubt you're that interested but I found the link I saw a lot of sleazy practices that Apollo uses.

http://www.citronresearch.com/index.php/2009/03/04/citron-exposes-apollos-big-dirty-secret-all-new-docs

Oh, don't get me wrong I dislike these "schools" as much as the next guy. I was just saying that they're lack of worth comes not from the corporate structure but from them being formed without any real intent to provide a quality education.

If I had a ton of start up money and I made a similar for-profit school but focused on providing a quality education using standard curriculum taught by proven professors then I'd think the degrees from that school would have a fair bit more respect than the ones from the institutions we're talking about. /turbo run on sentence

sonofsam wrote: I have 2 friends that went to ITT Tech. One works for EA Sports making a very comfortable living, and the other works for the CIA making even more. MoW, if you are reading this, the guy that works for EA Sports has a surprise in an upcoming game... I will leave it at that.

ITT is a little bit more legitimate of a school, it's just far more expensive than it should be for the quality of programs they have.

I will give MoW a 2nd hint... Its a secret in the game and all I will say is 1987...

I have worked with two people with degrees from Devry. One was an idiot who lied about his experience. It was obvious after about two days that he had no idea what he was doing. The other was pretty good.

Maybe they go to school there so they can learn how to spell Phoenix correctly.

Fab1b wrote: Another very disturbing part of this article about a certain school whose tuition for the program is more than $41,000

“Our students are given the tools needed to become the future leaders in the industry,” proclaims the Le Cordon Bleu Web site. “Many graduates have attained positions of responsibility, visibility, and entrepreneurship soon after completing their studies.”

The job placement results that the school files with accrediting agencies suggest a different outcome. From July 2007 to June 2008, students who graduated from the culinary arts associate degree program landed jobs that paid an average of $21,000 a year, or about $10 an hour. Oregon’s minimum wage is $8.40 an hour.

Guess you'll be able to pay that debt off in no time!!

Those facts don't surprise me at all. How many cooks/chefs do you think leave school and just get a high paying gig? VERY FEW! That industry is one of experience and proving yourself. You don't get paid right out of school. Most go work for restaurants as the short order cook or assistant chef or something.

Has nothing to do with the school.

I am a proud graduate of DeVry.
I has a Bachelor of Science in Electronics Engineering.
Best move I ever made, Graduated Magna cumlaude and have a great job.

martyirish wrote: I am a proud graduate of DeVry.
I has a Bachelor of Science in Electronics Engineering.
Best move I ever made, Graduated Magna cumlaude and have a great job.

I hope you meant to do that. If not...

hahaha....

THE4RINGZ wrote: Maybe they go to school there so they can learn how to spell Phoenix correctly.

dammit,ringz--you beat me to it

There are plenty of Universities that offer nothing but crap classes. Are you telling me that a class at OSU that has 200 students and a teaching assistant is any better than an online or tech school? I took a class at Ashland U that was supposed to be graded almost entirely on class discussion and participation, I actually sat in the back and slept on quite a few occasions and still got an A in the class. How are these things any better than UoP or ITT? The major universities are nothing but cash cows as well and a degree from just about any college in the country could be viewed as a joke (excluding the Ivy League schools).

Guess I better go to UoP so I can spell it correctly, I shall fix that

I don't dispute that they possibly teach good things I am just saying knowing how companies feel about these schools and now seeing how much they could cost you I just don't get why anyone would go!

Just finished my Master's at UoP. I realized how big of a waste it was about 3 classes in. I didn't learn anything except you can work on a paper 2 hours before it is due and get an A. UoP was my choice because I could do it from home and it was decision based on baby being born within my degree so I could work around that. If I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't have done it.

I didn't gain anything from it but more debt.

ksig489 wrote: There are plenty of Universities that offer nothing but crap classes. Are you telling me that a class at OSU that has 200 students and a teaching assistant is any better than an online or tech school? I took a class at Ashland U that was supposed to be graded almost entirely on class discussion and participation, I actually sat in the back and slept on quite a few occasions and still got an A in the class. How are these things any better than UoP or ITT? The major universities are nothing but cash cows as well and a degree from just about any college in the country could be viewed as a joke (excluding the Ivy League schools).

If you really believe this, then you've never attended a institution the quality of The Ohio State University. Most likely you work at a McDonalds, and if you aren't there now, you will be soon, and you can take that to the bank.

As far as these "schools", they are meant to hoodwink the masses into believing they are going to become educated citizens when in reality they are just amassing high levels of debt for a worthless piece of paper.

I actually know a guy who went to Devry who's makin 6 figures right now (or close to it...I'm just assumin)...I know that ain't the norm, but hey, It's what you do with it just like any other school.

sleeper - My sister attended OSU, both her and my mother work there now, and four of my cousins went there as well. All have confirmed plenty of classes like this...not all, but plenty. Does OSU have some incredible programs? Absolutely. Do they have quite a few issues as well? Absolutely. My mother has even had to sit in meetings where the directors in her particular college she works for have discussed the fact that OSU will have to start taking a lesson from the online universities and offer more classes this way or they will lose students.

I attended Ashland University which had the #5 rated program in the nation for my major (at the time OSU wasnt in the top 100...not sure about them now, so as for quality in my field...I'll take AU). I had professors who have been published just as much as any other, one of whom was an editor for the Wall Street Journal, another who was close enough to te King of Jordan that he had dinner in the royal palace with the King and his family. One professor was the on the board for the Reading Recovery of North America. I could list these forever...but you know what? For all of those great things about AU...there are some problems there just like any other place.

As for my job...It is entirely secure, I make $50,000 a year and going up again next year and the only time I am at McDonalds is to enjoy an Angus burger.

Take off your Scarlet and Gray fanboy glasses and realize that OSU as well as just about every other college in the country has its deficiencies...in some cases, major deficiencies.

My point is exactly that...you will never find a perfect University. Many of the universities listed above can get you just as ready for a job as anywhere else. If the online option is so bad, why is just about every university in the nation starting to offer online courses?

There is nothing wrong with online programs, it just depends on where it is from. Plenty of colleges/universities are offering degree programs just like these types of schools are online. So why not go online from a reputable college vs DeVry.

ksig489 wrote: sleeper - My sister attended OSU, both her and my mother work there now, and four of my cousins went there as well. All have confirmed plenty of classes like this...not all, but plenty. Does OSU have some incredible programs? Absolutely. Do they have quite a few issues as well? Absolutely. My mother has even had to sit in meetings where the directors in her particular college she works for have discussed the fact that OSU will have to start taking a lesson from the online universities and offer more classes this way or they will lose students.

I attended Ashland University which had the #5 rated program in the nation for my major (at the time OSU wasnt in the top 100...not sure about them now, so as for quality in my field...I'll take AU). I had professors who have been published just as much as any other, one of whom was an editor for the Wall Street Journal, another who was close enough to te King of Jordan that he had dinner in the royal palace with the King and his family. One professor was the on the board for the Reading Recovery of North America. I could list these forever...but you know what? For all of those great things about AU...there are some problems there just like any other place.

As for my job...It is entirely secure, I make $50,000 a year and going up again next year and the only time I am at McDonalds is to enjoy an Angus burger.

Take off your Scarlet and Gray fanboy glasses and realize that OSU as well as just about every other college in the country has its deficiencies...in some cases, major deficiencies.

My point is exactly that...you will never find a perfect University. Many of the universities listed above can get you just as ready for a job as anywhere else. If the online option is so bad, why is just about every university in the nation starting to offer online courses?

Can I has whatever you's smoking?

Listen, Ashland? Seriously? That's a glorified community college if there ever was one.

And only 50k a year? LOL

Wow...Ashland a glorified community college? Now you are the one smoking something. AU is nationally known and attracts students from all over the country. Have you ever been to Ashland?

Your comments are proving my point that places like OSU arent neccessarily educating people any better than anywhere else. You are clearly delusional in your beliefs.

I'll take my $50k and my job security and live a happy life.

Huh.

My brother went to DeVry. Got his degree. Within 6 months he had a higher paying job than my father, and mother, who both have their degrees and worked in their field for 35 years.

sleeper wrote: If you really believe this, then you've never attended a institution the quality of The Ohio State University. Most likely you work at a McDonalds, and if you aren't there now, you will be soon, and you can take that to the bank.

have you ever been to any school other than OSU?

I'll say this about Ashland University. It has the best cafeteria of any higher learning institution I have ever visited.

A lot depends on the degree and the school.

My employer will not recognize a pure on-line graduate degree for new hires or existing employees. Undergraduate degrees from pure on-line programs are not accepted (with a couple of exceptions) for new hires in positions that require a college degree due to past disappointments in performance. In some cases, an existing employee can advance with such a degree - but only in cases where the employee has already shown strong performance in same area (for example, a claim processor moving into a managerial position).

They also maintain a list of schools for qualify for tuition reimbursement. I can tell you that UOP, Strayer and ITT are not on the list, and that DeVry is (for -some- programs). I'm not passing judgment on the programs - just relating how they are viewed right or wrong, by people who do the hiring.

My wife went back to get an IT degree in her thirties at DeVry in Columbus - full brick-and-mortar, with a ton of lab time. When she finished, she went straight into a tech position with her employer and made her tuition back in two years with the raise.

She will also tell you that their non-IT programs are hit-or-miss - their business degrees, for example, are very expensive, and are not all that great for what they charge.