CATS...nobody is saying Kentucky doesnt have good players. But fact is those stats come against easier competition. The Big 10 is probably the 2nd or 3rd toughest conference. The SEC is probably the 5th, just above the PAC 10.

Please stick with watching LSU, the doormat of the SEC.

Pick6 wrote: CATS...nobody is saying Kentucky doesnt have good players. But fact is those stats come against easier competition. The Big 10 is probably the 2nd or 3rd toughest conference. The SEC is probably the 5th, just above the PAC 10.

Please stick with watching LSU, the doormat of the SEC.

Actually CATS is a UK basketball fan. Convenient huh? lol

centralbucksfan wrote:

Pick6 wrote: CATS...nobody is saying Kentucky doesnt have good players. But fact is those stats come against easier competition. The Big 10 is probably the 2nd or 3rd toughest conference. The SEC is probably the 5th, just above the PAC 10.

Please stick with watching LSU, the doormat of the SEC.

Actually CATS is a UK basketball fan. Convenient huh? lol

Wait, that's got to be a joke, right? Nothing screams SEC FAGGOT HOMER like rooting for one team in football and one in basketball.

That's like being an OSU football fan and MSU basketball fan. And to people like that I say you're not even a true fan, that's so pathetic it's hilarious.

No credibility whatsover. At least I like two different teams across the board in all sports and in 2 different conferences.

lhslep134 wrote:

centralbucksfan wrote:

Pick6 wrote: CATS...nobody is saying Kentucky doesnt have good players. But fact is those stats come against easier competition. The Big 10 is probably the 2nd or 3rd toughest conference. The SEC is probably the 5th, just above the PAC 10.

Please stick with watching LSU, the doormat of the SEC.

Actually CATS is a UK basketball fan. Convenient huh? lol

Wait, that's got to be a joke, right? Nothing screams SEC ** HOMER like rooting for one team in football and one in basketball.

That's like being an OSU football fan and MSU basketball fan. And to people like that I say you're not even a true fan, that's so pathetic it's hilarious.

No credibility whatsover. At least I like two different teams across the board in all sports and in 2 different conferences.

+999999999^9999999999999

Ya, that's a HUGE ass number.

I like KU in bball, OSU in football.

Am I a true fan???

SportsAndLady wrote: I like KU in bball, OSU in football.

Am I a true fan???

No.

Uhh..yes S&L.

CinciX...who are you a fan of in football?

centralbucksfan wrote:

cats gone wild wrote: . I dont watch OSU, so I dont know if ET does the same or not.

Thats all I need to read to realize how ridiculous your statements are.

But to clarify a few things....the BEST player, and MVP of UK...IMO, is Cousins.
Secondly, Wall always there? I watched him CHOKE vs one of the FEW quality teams he played against....Tenn last week. Turnovers and poor decision making by Wall cost UK late in that game.
OSU has no talent? LOL Ya...Ok.. a top 10 team with only 1 player. LOL

Oh, and lastly, Turner plays in a MUCH tougher conference, the Big Ten, then what Wall does in the SEC. And its not even close.

Mark this down...Turner will win the POY and it won't be that close.

Mark this down...they're similar players when you're projecting them to the next level and John Wall will be twice the player Turner is in the NBA.

And no, I'm not saying potential future success should have anything to do with NCAA POY, but don't talk about Wall like he's overrated.

SQ_Crazies wrote:

centralbucksfan wrote:

cats gone wild wrote: . I dont watch OSU, so I dont know if ET does the same or not.

Thats all I need to read to realize how ridiculous your statements are.

But to clarify a few things....the BEST player, and MVP of UK...IMO, is Cousins.
Secondly, Wall always there? I watched him CHOKE vs one of the FEW quality teams he played against....Tenn last week. Turnovers and poor decision making by Wall cost UK late in that game.
OSU has no talent? LOL Ya...Ok.. a top 10 team with only 1 player. LOL

Oh, and lastly, Turner plays in a MUCH tougher conference, the Big Ten, then what Wall does in the SEC. And its not even close.

Mark this down...Turner will win the POY and it won't be that close.

Mark this down...they're similar players when you're projecting them to the next level and John Wall will be twice the player Turner is in the NBA.

Believe you me, its marked. And many NBA people, and former players completley disagree with you in terms of how Turner will do at the next level.
Although, I could really care less because I know how is better right now having watched both play this year. Granted that Turner has a couple years on Wall...but thats a mute point on determining who is better right now. And I honestly don't believe its that close. Something I have been saying since the season started...and many "LOL" at me.
As good as Wall is, and I think he is good and will get better, I think there are at least a handful who have been as good if not better then this year.
I think Cousins has had a better year. Wall has gotten so much hype because he was the #1 recruit, along with Cal and UK even added to it. Wall was put on the POY list before the freaking season even began IMO. Turner has had to earn his way into the discussion.
Like it or not, its Just my two cents.

and herein lies the dilemna---do you voters vote based on NBA potential or the college season? they're human,so that element is there...btw,twice the player?? that remains to be seen,but IMO,they'll both be excellent NBA players

Shouldn't be a dilemma for NCAA POY--shouldn't have anything to do with it. But you're right, they're human, it might.

CBF, many told us Darko was the next Dirk. Fuck all that analytic bullshit--turn on the tape and I'll take Wall over Turner for the NBA without even thinking.

I agree--but that's what I felt you were alluding to in post 107,but it appears we're on the same page.

Not saying Turner won't be decent at the next level, but he'll never be more than a role player--Wall will be a star.

SQ_Crazies wrote: Not saying Turner won't be decent at the next level, but he'll never be more than a role player--Wall will be a star.

to be honest,I felt the same way about Michael Redd..time will tell

Personally I think Turner should be POY. I think I said that earlier in the thread. He convinced me in the last few weeks.

All I'm really saying CBF, is just because you want Turner to win this doesn't mean you should talk about Wall like it he isn't there. In doing so, you're doing exactly what you get on people for doing to Turner.

vball10set wrote:

SQ_Crazies wrote: Not saying Turner won't be decent at the next level, but he'll never be more than a role player--Wall will be a star.

to be honest,I felt the same way about Michael Redd..time will tell

Really..Redd kind of was a role player, he was just so good at his role that he became somewhat of a star. He was really never anything but a pure shooter.

SQ_Crazies wrote: Personally I think Turner should be POY. I think I said that earlier in the thread. He convinced me in the last few weeks.

All I'm really saying CBF, is just because you want Turner to win this doesn't mean you should talk about Wall like it he isn't there. In doing so, you're doing exactly what you get on people for doing to Turner.

Because I want? Its about who is more deserving..not what "I" want. I never said Wall shouldn't be there. Although I think he falls into a category I mentioned above...with a handful of other players. And not many disagree with me about Turner..media and nationally. Its not like I am going out on a limb here. Call me bias or whatever...but the facts of the season don't lie. Turner is in fact, having one of the best statistical seasons in college basketball, ever. And we all saw what he means to the team on top of that. He is individually a stud, and certainly makes those around him better. It is what it is.

I just said I think Turner should be POY. So I'm not even disagreeing with you, lol. No need to freak, as usual, but my point is still VERY valid with you. You ARE going overboard, you are overrating Turner (as good as he really is), and you are giving a bad name to Buckeye fans--which is quite common. I know you don't care, but there is no reason to discredit other players or teams the way you do so often just to make your point--we get it, you bleed Scarlet and Gray. But man, whenever a Buckeye team or player is about to accomplish something big, you have like a 3 week long (seemingly painful) orgasm on message boards and make yourself look like a jackass on a consistent basis. He's probably going to win POY regardless of what you say around here--so why not just let it happen and all the doubters will be proved wrong then. Instead of making the collective Buckeye faithful look like a bunch of fucks--one bad egg ruins the dozen and you know that.

Look, personally, I like arguing with you because I think you're knowledgeable and you're smarter than most people around here--but you always have to throw in just a small part of your argument that makes it hard for anyone to take you seriously.

lhslep134 wrote:

centralbucksfan wrote:

Pick6 wrote: CATS...nobody is saying Kentucky doesnt have good players. But fact is those stats come against easier competition. The Big 10 is probably the 2nd or 3rd toughest conference. The SEC is probably the 5th, just above the PAC 10.

Please stick with watching LSU, the doormat of the SEC.

Actually CATS is a UK basketball fan. Convenient huh? lol

Wait, that's got to be a joke, right? Nothing screams SEC ** HOMER like rooting for one team in football and one in basketball.

That's like being an OSU football fan and MSU basketball fan. And to people like that I say you're not even a true fan, that's so pathetic it's hilarious.

No credibility whatsover. At least I like two different teams across the board in all sports and in 2 different conferences.

ROGL............my story makes sense that Ive posted 10 different times why I like LSU in football and UK in basketball. Your story makes zero sense. Big 10 homers cant stand the SEC, but yet you like teams from both conferences. UK is a basketball school and not a football school. Its hard to like UK in football considering they dont play exciting/good football. LSU is the opposite of UK. And Im not going to explain my life story for the 11th time about how I like each. You are a homer liking 2 schools who are both basketball and football schools. You can cheer on whatever team is better in each sport on whatever year, while I support ONE team in each sport and cant bounce around.

And there are plenty of UNC, Duke, Kansas fans on here who dont like them in football. The teams you root for start from a young age.

Bottom line is, it doesn't matter who you are a fan of or why--can't we just throw that bullshit out the window right now? Seriously...

bulldog8 wrote:

cats gone wild wrote: Question for you ET fans. Why should a player who missed 20% of the season win POY? When you dont play for a month/6 games.........you shouldnt win POY.

Why should a player who missed 20% of the season win POY? Turn on ESPN and you will hear a plethora of reasons why he is without a doubt going to receive this honor.

If Turner missed February or March for 6 games or the whole month, would he be in POY consideration? Highly doubt it. It should be the same case for missing a whole month earlier in the year.

Same case for missing a whole month earlier in the year.

Apparently, it isn't. While most of the experts were all over John Wall early, Turner has changed their minds.We've all read or heard any number of experts from ESPN,CBSSPORTSLINE, ETC.... put Turner at the top of their lists. There must be a reason for that.

SportsAndLady wrote: I like KU in bball, OSU in football.

Am I a true fan???

Yeah, but if you liked KU in bball and Texas in Fball I'd say no because they're conference opponents.


And Cats, you're CLEARLY a homer. I like Florida and Ohio State because of family ties, so I'll root for Florida when they're 12-1 or 1-12, same in basketball, baseball just like Ohio State. Florida's been having a few down years in bball but I'll still root for them.

You root for LSU in football and UK in basketball, teams from the SAME conference. That violates so many "rules" of fandom I can't even comprehend.

Try and explain it all you want, but you have no credibility anymore. Now, for a comeback, you're going to say "you never had credibility", to which I respond I don't care, because I consistently root for the same teams in different sports. So fuck off.

cats gone wild wrote:

bulldog8 wrote:

cats gone wild wrote: Question for you ET fans. Why should a player who missed 20% of the season win POY? When you dont play for a month/6 games.........you shouldnt win POY.

Why should a player who missed 20% of the season win POY? Turn on ESPN and you will hear a plethora of reasons why he is without a doubt going to receive this honor.

If Turner missed February or March for 6 games or the whole month, would he be in POY consideration? Highly doubt it. It should be the same case for missing a whole month earlier in the year.

In the 2009-2010 season, Evan Turner has accumulated 488 points, 234 rebounds, 146 assists, 46 steals, and 23 blocked shots. He did this playing in 25 of 31 games for the Buckeyes.

In the same 2009-2010 season, John Wall has accumulated 504 points, 120 rebounds, 187 assists, 54 steals, and 16 blocked shots. He did this playing in 30 of 31 games for the Wildcats.

I think it's pretty evident that Turner could pick up 16 points, maybe 41 assists, and 8 steals over the course of 5 extra games that Wall has on him. It's not like Turner was out for 6 games because of academics or discipline issues. The kid got hurt, which was out of his control. He has come back and put up absolutely huge numbers, the Buckeyes have played great, and I am almost certain that Turner would lead in all the above categories if he had those other 6 games. The voters will consider this whether it's right or wrong. Evan Turner makes this OSU team go while Kentucky is probably still really good without Wall. Turner is the most valuable player to his team this season and is thus deserving of the POY.