Bird Nation, all visitors dress in the classroom at Johnstown. Loudonville is not the first team to do it. Also, all teams in the MBC see bad referees each season. Live with it.

spartybbcoach wrote: Bird Nation, all visitors dress in the classroom at Johnstown. Loudonville is not the first team to do it. Also, all teams in the MBC see bad referees each season. Live with it.

I'll agree with the refs. You should have seen Utica/Cburg's JV game yesterday. I know it's JV, but the two guys that did it didn't belong reffing YMCA ball, let alone anything to do with high school basketball. As an example, Utica inbounded the ball after a made foul shot and we started up the floor about two or three dribbles, and the buzzer sounded (to signal that a sub needed to come into the game). It was obviously late, should have sounded before Utica inbounded the ball, but all the girls for both teams stopped and the girl for Centerburg that was being taken out even started to jog over towards the bench to come out. Our PG threw the ball over to the ref, who kindly stepped out of the way and let it go out of bounds, and signaled it as a turnover and Centerburg's ball! When Utica's coaches and bench (and all the fans I might add) started having a cow, the ref went over to the scorers table to talk to the coaches, and instead of changing the call (since when the buzzer sounded, the ball should be dead and Utica should have had to inbound it again from the spot of the ball when the buzzer sounded), instead of correcting it and letting us rightfully keep possession, he T's up coach Snow, who is arguing (correctly) what the call should have been! So, in a 3 point game late in the 4th period (about 4 mins left in the game) Centerburg got the ball and two free foul shots, all from the refs mistake. They ended up winning by 1 point. And that's just one of about 5-6 terrible calls, that were made BOTH WAYS in the game. However, the biggest calls went against us all game long, including what should have been an intentional foul that was never called, and at one point the fouls were in favor of Centerburg 8-2. I mean come on. Of course we foul, but they didn't at all??

Red_Skin_Pride wrote:

spartybbcoach wrote: Bird Nation, all visitors dress in the classroom at Johnstown. Loudonville is not the first team to do it. Also, all teams in the MBC see bad referees each season. Live with it.

I'll agree with the refs. You should have seen Utica/Cburg's JV game yesterday. I know it's JV, but the two guys that did it didn't belong reffing YMCA ball, let alone anything to do with high school basketball. As an example, Utica inbounded the ball after a made foul shot and we started up the floor about two or three dribbles, and the buzzer sounded (to signal that a sub needed to come into the game). It was obviously late, should have sounded before Utica inbounded the ball, but all the girls for both teams stopped and the girl for Centerburg that was being taken out even started to jog over towards the bench to come out. Our PG threw the ball over to the ref, who kindly stepped out of the way and let it go out of bounds, and signaled it as a turnover and Centerburg's ball! When Utica's coaches and bench (and all the fans I might add) started having a cow, the ref went over to the scorers table to talk to the coaches, and instead of changing the call (since when the buzzer sounded, the ball should be dead and Utica should have had to inbound it again from the spot of the ball when the buzzer sounded), instead of correcting it and letting us rightfully keep possession, he T's up coach Snow, who is arguing (correctly) what the call should have been! So, in a 3 point game late in the 4th period (about 4 mins left in the game) Centerburg got the ball and two free foul shots, all from the refs mistake. They ended up winning by 1 point. And that's just one of about 5-6 terrible calls, that were made BOTH WAYS in the game. However, the biggest calls went against us all game long, including what should have been an intentional foul that was never called, and at one point the fouls were in favor of Centerburg 8-2. I mean come on. Of course we foul, but they didn't at all??

Just so you know R_S_P I'm going to side with the referee's in giving Snow the T. And I quote
NFHS Rule book in Rule 10 Section 4.
hte head coach is reponsible for his/her own conduct and behavior, as well as substitutes, disqualified team mebers and all other bench personnel. Bench personnel, including the head coach, SHALL NOT:
Art. 1.
Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as:
a. Disrespectfully addressing an official.
b. Attempting to influence an official's decision.
c. Using profane or inappropriate language or obscene gestures.
d. Disrespectfully addressing, baiting or taunting an opponent.
e. Objecting to an official's decision by rising from the bench or using gestures.
f. Inciting undesirable crowd reactions.
g. Being charged with fighting.
h. Reemoving the jersey and/or pants/skirt within the visual confines of the playing area.

I am going to venture to guess the areas in the bold type are the reasons for the Tecnical foul. She was also in violation I'm going to venture a guess of also Art. 4 were it states "Stand at the team bench while the clock is runnng or is stopped, and must remain seated, except
a. The head coach rule as in 10-5-1."

Now that I have quoted my reasonings for the T. As a referee the guy making the call on the call on the floor was incorrect, I agree with you there. BUT the only person allowed to argue the fact that the call was incorrect is the HEAD COACH, and since this was a JV game that is NOT Coach Snow. Thus the reason for the T. Was the guy wrong in making the call? YES. Was he wrong for giving the T? I'm going to say without actually seeing what happened NO.
And just so you don't think I am some fan that is spouting off. I am a class 1 (varsity qualified) referee with 4 years of experience in the game of basketball for the OHSAA.

Rbirdsman01 wrote:

Red_Skin_Pride wrote:

spartybbcoach wrote: Bird Nation, all visitors dress in the classroom at Johnstown. Loudonville is not the first team to do it. Also, all teams in the MBC see bad referees each season. Live with it.

I'll agree with the refs. You should have seen Utica/Cburg's JV game yesterday. I know it's JV, but the two guys that did it didn't belong reffing YMCA ball, let alone anything to do with high school basketball. As an example, Utica inbounded the ball after a made foul shot and we started up the floor about two or three dribbles, and the buzzer sounded (to signal that a sub needed to come into the game). It was obviously late, should have sounded before Utica inbounded the ball, but all the girls for both teams stopped and the girl for Centerburg that was being taken out even started to jog over towards the bench to come out. Our PG threw the ball over to the ref, who kindly stepped out of the way and let it go out of bounds, and signaled it as a turnover and Centerburg's ball! When Utica's coaches and bench (and all the fans I might add) started having a cow, the ref went over to the scorers table to talk to the coaches, and instead of changing the call (since when the buzzer sounded, the ball should be dead and Utica should have had to inbound it again from the spot of the ball when the buzzer sounded), instead of correcting it and letting us rightfully keep possession, he T's up coach Snow, who is arguing (correctly) what the call should have been! So, in a 3 point game late in the 4th period (about 4 mins left in the game) Centerburg got the ball and two free foul shots, all from the refs mistake. They ended up winning by 1 point. And that's just one of about 5-6 terrible calls, that were made BOTH WAYS in the game. However, the biggest calls went against us all game long, including what should have been an intentional foul that was never called, and at one point the fouls were in favor of Centerburg 8-2. I mean come on. Of course we foul, but they didn't at all??

Just so you know R_S_P I'm going to side with the referee's in giving Snow the T. And I quote
NFHS Rule book in Rule 10 Section 4.
hte head coach is reponsible for his/her own conduct and behavior, as well as substitutes, disqualified team mebers and all other bench personnel. Bench personnel, including the head coach, SHALL NOT:
Art. 1.
Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as:
a. Disrespectfully addressing an official.
b. Attempting to influence an official's decision.
c. Using profane or inappropriate language or obscene gestures.
d. Disrespectfully addressing, baiting or taunting an opponent.
e. Objecting to an official's decision by rising from the bench or using gestures.
f. Inciting undesirable crowd reactions.
g. Being charged with fighting.
h. Reemoving the jersey and/or pants/skirt within the visual confines of the playing area.

I am going to venture to guess the areas in the bold type are the reasons for the Tecnical foul. She was also in violation I'm going to venture a guess of also Art. 4 were it states "Stand at the team bench while the clock is runnng or is stopped, and must remain seated, except
a. The head coach rule as in 10-5-1."

Now that I have quoted my reasonings for the T. As a referee the guy making the call on the call on the floor was incorrect, I agree with you there. BUT the only person allowed to argue the fact that the call was incorrect is the HEAD COACH, and since this was a JV game that is NOT Coach Snow. Thus the reason for the T. Was the guy wrong in making the call? YES. Was he wrong for giving the T? I'm going to say without actually seeing what happened NO.
And just so you don't think I am some fan that is spouting off. I am a class 1 (varsity qualified) referee with 4 years of experience in the game of basketball for the OHSAA.

And some times a coach needs to make a point and stand up for the team, which in this case was very much needed. It was a JV game and it needed to be said! I don't care what the team is and who the coach is. Some times the rules need to be broken

Does MBC have a director of officials.
I'm not talking about fouls, I am talking about tackles, etc..

Bird Nation wrote: Does MBC have a director of officials.
I'm not talking about fouls, I am talking about tackles, etc..

The MBC has an assigner that gets referees for all games for all the MBC schools. The problem we run into is he assigns for more than one conference and procrastinates on the MBC. Now I don't work this conference for obvious reasons, but he contacted me two weeks before the season started to try and fill in games in Dec. All the other conferences I work in assigned games last March for this season and some were last March for NEXT season. So by the time he get's to assigning for our conference all of the good officials their schedules are already full. Thus the reason for the poor officiating. He has to take what he can get.

4theteam wrote:

Rbirdsman01 wrote:

Red_Skin_Pride wrote:

spartybbcoach wrote: Bird Nation, all visitors dress in the classroom at Johnstown. Loudonville is not the first team to do it. Also, all teams in the MBC see bad referees each season. Live with it.

I'll agree with the refs. You should have seen Utica/Cburg's JV game yesterday. I know it's JV, but the two guys that did it didn't belong reffing YMCA ball, let alone anything to do with high school basketball. As an example, Utica inbounded the ball after a made foul shot and we started up the floor about two or three dribbles, and the buzzer sounded (to signal that a sub needed to come into the game). It was obviously late, should have sounded before Utica inbounded the ball, but all the girls for both teams stopped and the girl for Centerburg that was being taken out even started to jog over towards the bench to come out. Our PG threw the ball over to the ref, who kindly stepped out of the way and let it go out of bounds, and signaled it as a turnover and Centerburg's ball! When Utica's coaches and bench (and all the fans I might add) started having a cow, the ref went over to the scorers table to talk to the coaches, and instead of changing the call (since when the buzzer sounded, the ball should be dead and Utica should have had to inbound it again from the spot of the ball when the buzzer sounded), instead of correcting it and letting us rightfully keep possession, he T's up coach Snow, who is arguing (correctly) what the call should have been! So, in a 3 point game late in the 4th period (about 4 mins left in the game) Centerburg got the ball and two free foul shots, all from the refs mistake. They ended up winning by 1 point. And that's just one of about 5-6 terrible calls, that were made BOTH WAYS in the game. However, the biggest calls went against us all game long, including what should have been an intentional foul that was never called, and at one point the fouls were in favor of Centerburg 8-2. I mean come on. Of course we foul, but they didn't at all??

Just so you know R_S_P I'm going to side with the referee's in giving Snow the T. And I quote
NFHS Rule book in Rule 10 Section 4.
hte head coach is reponsible for his/her own conduct and behavior, as well as substitutes, disqualified team mebers and all other bench personnel. Bench personnel, including the head coach, SHALL NOT:
Art. 1.
Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as:
a. Disrespectfully addressing an official.
b. Attempting to influence an official's decision.
c. Using profane or inappropriate language or obscene gestures.
d. Disrespectfully addressing, baiting or taunting an opponent.
e. Objecting to an official's decision by rising from the bench or using gestures.
f. Inciting undesirable crowd reactions.
g. Being charged with fighting.
h. Reemoving the jersey and/or pants/skirt within the visual confines of the playing area.

I am going to venture to guess the areas in the bold type are the reasons for the Tecnical foul. She was also in violation I'm going to venture a guess of also Art. 4 were it states "Stand at the team bench while the clock is runnng or is stopped, and must remain seated, except
a. The head coach rule as in 10-5-1."

Now that I have quoted my reasonings for the T. As a referee the guy making the call on the call on the floor was incorrect, I agree with you there. BUT the only person allowed to argue the fact that the call was incorrect is the HEAD COACH, and since this was a JV game that is NOT Coach Snow. Thus the reason for the T. Was the guy wrong in making the call? YES. Was he wrong for giving the T? I'm going to say without actually seeing what happened NO.
And just so you don't think I am some fan that is spouting off. I am a class 1 (varsity qualified) referee with 4 years of experience in the game of basketball for the OHSAA.

And some times a coach needs to make a point and stand up for the team, which in this case was very much needed. It was a JV game and it needed to be said! I don't care what the team is and who the coach is. Some times the rules need to be broken

And all I am saying is, yes you need to stand up for your team when things need to said but it HAS to be the HEAD coach of the particular game that says what needs to be said, or else you can guarentee a Technical foul otherwise. And on another note it was probably the same referee that gave out 5 Technical fouls to the Loudonville bench in a span of 30 seconds at Johnstown a couple of years ago.

Rbirdsman01 wrote:

Red_Skin_Pride wrote:

spartybbcoach wrote: Bird Nation, all visitors dress in the classroom at Johnstown. Loudonville is not the first team to do it. Also, all teams in the MBC see bad referees each season. Live with it.

I'll agree with the refs. You should have seen Utica/Cburg's JV game yesterday. I know it's JV, but the two guys that did it didn't belong reffing YMCA ball, let alone anything to do with high school basketball. As an example, Utica inbounded the ball after a made foul shot and we started up the floor about two or three dribbles, and the buzzer sounded (to signal that a sub needed to come into the game). It was obviously late, should have sounded before Utica inbounded the ball, but all the girls for both teams stopped and the girl for Centerburg that was being taken out even started to jog over towards the bench to come out. Our PG threw the ball over to the ref, who kindly stepped out of the way and let it go out of bounds, and signaled it as a turnover and Centerburg's ball! When Utica's coaches and bench (and all the fans I might add) started having a cow, the ref went over to the scorers table to talk to the coaches, and instead of changing the call (since when the buzzer sounded, the ball should be dead and Utica should have had to inbound it again from the spot of the ball when the buzzer sounded), instead of correcting it and letting us rightfully keep possession, he T's up coach Snow, who is arguing (correctly) what the call should have been! So, in a 3 point game late in the 4th period (about 4 mins left in the game) Centerburg got the ball and two free foul shots, all from the refs mistake. They ended up winning by 1 point. And that's just one of about 5-6 terrible calls, that were made BOTH WAYS in the game. However, the biggest calls went against us all game long, including what should have been an intentional foul that was never called, and at one point the fouls were in favor of Centerburg 8-2. I mean come on. Of course we foul, but they didn't at all??

Just so you know R_S_P I'm going to side with the referee's in giving Snow the T. And I quote
NFHS Rule book in Rule 10 Section 4.
hte head coach is reponsible for his/her own conduct and behavior, as well as substitutes, disqualified team mebers and all other bench personnel. Bench personnel, including the head coach, SHALL NOT:
Art. 1.
Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as:
a. Disrespectfully addressing an official.
b. Attempting to influence an official's decision.
c. Using profane or inappropriate language or obscene gestures.
d. Disrespectfully addressing, baiting or taunting an opponent.
e. Objecting to an official's decision by rising from the bench or using gestures.
f. Inciting undesirable crowd reactions.
g. Being charged with fighting.
h. Reemoving the jersey and/or pants/skirt within the visual confines of the playing area.

I am going to venture to guess the areas in the bold type are the reasons for the Tecnical foul. She was also in violation I'm going to venture a guess of also Art. 4 were it states "Stand at the team bench while the clock is runnng or is stopped, and must remain seated, except
a. The head coach rule as in 10-5-1."

Now that I have quoted my reasonings for the T. As a referee the guy making the call on the call on the floor was incorrect, I agree with you there. BUT the only person allowed to argue the fact that the call was incorrect is the HEAD COACH, and since this was a JV game that is NOT Coach Snow. Thus the reason for the T. Was the guy wrong in making the call? YES. Was he wrong for giving the T? I'm going to say without actually seeing what happened NO.
And just so you don't think I am some fan that is spouting off. I am a class 1 (varsity qualified) referee with 4 years of experience in the game of basketball for the OHSAA.

She did not disrespectfully address him, nor did she swear at any point (they gym was very quiet, and everyone could hear what she was saying) nor did she rise from the bench. She was sitting on the bench with the other coaches. She got a T for saying and I quote "You saw it, it happened right in front of you". When you learn to get a rule right that is so blatantly obvious to everyone (even many Cburg fans were amazed they got the ball), then that type of thing won't happen. It was a horrible call, made worse by an undeserving technical that changed the outcome of the game. So then reffing the game becomes changing the outcome of the game. Sorry, but that's not you, or any other ref's job.

Like I said before I pointed out the reasons she could have had a technical in that situation. Had the events go the way you said they did I will agree that the Technical was not needed and the referee overreacted. It is an unfortunate situation that occurred for the kids.

Birds stay undefeated......beat Warrensville Heights in Akron Showcase.

Redbirds have a couple of tough out of conference games back to back on Monday and Tuesday. Should be a tough test.

I didn't think anyone was playing till after the first of the year. Who are the birds playing in conference?

they aren't playing anyone in conference. they have to out of conference games with Hillsdale and Mansfield Madison.

Guess I read that post too fast. Thanks birdsman.

Redbirds win tonight 58-25 and move to 9-0. Becky Orchard scores 15 for the Redbirds breaking the 1000 point mark for her career. Only the 5th player in school history on the girls side to do so. One of three players on the night in double figures for the birds.

Congrats to Becky Orchard for breaking the 1000 point mark! She is certainly one of the best all-around players to ever come through Loudonville. Anyone who sees her play knows that she is more than just a scorer. My question is: Who are the other 1000 point scorers in school history and what is the highest career point total? Redbirds should get a test from OCC Madison on Tuesday.

Congrats to Orchard as well for her career milestone. Certainly creating a strong case for back to back MBC player of the year.

Madison has a 3-4 record.

birds on base Kim Herman is the scoring leader with 14?? followed by Misty Wells, and Dana Stake. I'll have to get back to you on the 4th of the five I saw the list at the game last night and will confirm after the game tonight.

Flash. Madison is always a tough team to play and I am sure they are better than their record shows.

I agree and Townley can be hard to handle. Losses to Willard, Lex, Wooster and Orrville. So its losses were to decent teams. I've seen the Birds play and this shouldn't be that difficult, but Madison had some rest time and you'll be playing back to back.

Redbirds beat Madison tonight. 69-57.

Birds were paced by 4 in double figures Scarberry 17, Ryan 14, Vanhorn 13, and 13 boards., Orchard 10.

birds on base 1000 point scorers for Loudonville.
Kim Herman 1470, Misty Wells 1411, Dana Stake 1197, and Jody Beans 1125, and Becky Orchard 1017 and counting.

This was a very competitive game. 'Birds were up just 4 going to the 4th quarter. Madison might even be the best team that Loudonville has seen so far this year. The Rams have impressive size and they pressured the ball well. Smithville and Utica are also very good, I know. Its a close call as to which of the three teams is the best. 'Birds are now off until Jan. 7th, versus Northridge.

Birds are for real.....10 and 0

I'm going to venture a guess that this is the best start for the Birds since the 91-92 team that went on to be State Runner-ups.

Even they lost 3 games I think.