Quint wrote: Does the NCAA pick and choose who they will go after hard (Michigan), and who they will take their time with (USC)? I admit that I have no idea how the NCAA operates. But, I think it is absurd that it has taken as long as it has to come up with a solution to the USC fiasco, and they are already addressing the Michigan playing time question.

Michigan's violations were blatant and obvious. Four violations were committed by RichRod in regards to excessive practice and workout schedules. Another charge is is agaisnt a graduate assistant lying to the NCAA in an attempt to cover for Rich Rod. Michigan will be given 3 months to respond to the charges. This usually means if the the accused doesn't come up with acceptable self punishment in 3 months the NCAA will come up with more sever punishment. The absolute worst thing U of M could do would be to attempt to talk their way out of the charges. The NCAA would really bring down the hammer then. I doubt U of M would try to come to Rich Rod's defense. The athletic department reported the rule violations to the NCAA.

The most interesting aspect of this is that the new AD said he wasn't surprised, but RichRod was his coach for "next year". Hmmmm there are THREE more years on his contract. If RichRod doesn't pull off a miracle next season he'll be gone. Another poor season, NCAA violations specifically against RichRod and the new AD wasn't surprised??? Bye Bye RichRod.

USC's problem's are with athletes that are no longer there and thus far they have found no connection to the University. They're still looking..

insuranceguy wrote: My problem is that this is the first time Tsun has had any violations to my knowledge. So not only has Rrod took the program to new low the last two years but he also handed them their first violations. When will they wake up!! I always respected Bo and Lloyd because they did things the right way and genuinely cared about the kids. I dont get that feeling with Rrod and never have. Dont give me that garbage about needing to get over Bo and Lloyd either. Did they need to change the x's and o's maybe. But they didnt need to change their core values. Unfotinately imo RRod did this.

Really?.......I take it you didn't get a chance to read the speech at the Victors rally, or watch it on youtube(he really seemed like he doesn't care about his players or UM). The so called MAJOR violations were for players being punished during the summer for skipping class, talking to players during stretches, and going over the time limit for practice by 20 min. a day(stretching period). Yea RR is a sum bag who should change his values, maybe kiffin can give him a lesson or two. I don't see UM getting anything more than a slap on the wrist. This will all go away very quickly imo and no one will even be talking about it once the U$C situation goes public in a couple weeks

Big Gain wrote:

Quint wrote: Does the NCAA pick and choose who they will go after hard (Michigan), and who they will take their time with (USC)? I admit that I have no idea how the NCAA operates. But, I think it is absurd that it has taken as long as it has to come up with a solution to the USC fiasco, and they are already addressing the Michigan playing time question.

Michigan's violations were blatant and obvious. Four violations were committed by RichRod in regards to excessive practice and workout schedules.Two violations concern a graduate assistant lying to the NCAA in an attempt to cover for Rich Rod. Michigan will be given 4 months to respond to the charges. This usually means if the the accused doesn't come up with acceptable self punishment the NCAA will come up with more sever punishment. The absolute worst thing U of M could do would be to attempt to talk their way out of the charges. The NCAA would really bring down the hammer then. I doubt U of M would try to come to Rich Rod's defense. The athletic department reported the rule violations to the NCAA.

The most interesting aspect of this is that the new AD said he wasn't surprised. Sounds like he knows how RichRod operates. If RichRod doesn't pull off a miracle next season he'll be gone. Another poor season, NCAA violations specifically against RichRod and the new AD wasn't surprised??? Bye Bye RichRod.

Rich Rod's biggest failing in this was assuming that the Michigan complience department would make him aware of Michigan's complience programs. It's real hard to fill out the apropriate paperwork when your own fucking complience office never bothers to tell you about it.

Also Brandon wasnt surprised because there was a meeting between the ncaa and michigan a few weeks ago where info was shared.

charliehustle14 wrote: Good. The Big Ten needs UM to be back and major violations would definitely delay that.

I never understood why people say this. I am not saying you're wrong, I just don't understand this statement. I think the Big 10 did well this season and Michigan was again not good.

I think the Big 10 can survive without Michigan. However, I don't think the rivalry can, which is why I hope UM gets back to respectable standards.

I don't think it's serious enough to self impose a ban on post season play, maybe limit schollies for a few seasons...BUT...

It might actually be the best thing to ban post season play for the '10-'11 season. Don't be pissed, but the chances are the bowl game you'd get (if you get one) might not be worth a shit anyway. So skip the shitty bowl game and keep the schollies comin'. Might be the best thing to do.

ytownfootball wrote: I don't think it's serious enough to self impose a ban on post season play, maybe limit schollies for a few seasons...BUT...

It might actually be the best thing to ban post season play for the '10-'11 season. Don't be pissed, but the chances are the bowl game you'd get (if you get one) might not be worth a shit anyway. So skip the shitty bowl game and keep the schollies comin'. Might be the best thing to do.

Yea, but I feel that getting a shitty bowl game is good for recruiting just because it is one more nationally televised game your team gets for exposure.

Rrod is a bunch lip service and you guys are buying into it. Ask West Virginia. He tells you one thing but his actions say another. Thats a fact. If he was punishing kids then why has no other school thought of this punishment? BECAUSE ITS A VIOLATION AND HE KNEW IT!!! To me it was an excuse to get extra practice time conditioning etc. Other schools punish kids by suspending them for a game or so. You guys are looking for excuses instead of looking at reality. 2 of the worst years in the schools history and now violations. Come on. Excuses dont fly with me.

I heard this morning that the violations (5 of them) are considered major by the NCAA......

really?? Thos are major??

IMO, what turned them all into major violations was the one about not telling either the truth about the allegations or not telling the entire story about them.

While I think RR is a step above, or below, a used car salesman....I think the NCAA is on a major power trip here.

it seems they didnt practice long enough

wkfan wrote: really?? Thos are major?

Seeing that giving a player cream cheese with there bagel is a minor violation I guess they are. I hate M*ch*gan but this just shows how bad the NCAA is. USC has all but openly flaunted the amount of money being given to players there and it's taken about 6 years to get anything going on that. M*ch*gan practices too much and it takes all of two minutes to come down. I understand why they have to have practice laws in place but seriously the NCAA is a joke.

The most likely punishment for Michigan is giving up some spring practice time in 2011 and MAYBE some self imposed probation.

I understand people like insuranceguy get their rocks off on hating Rich Rod but you must read between the lines here people. If Rich Rod was really at fault for this mess the new AD David Brandon would have fired his ass and looked like the state hero in the process. The fault for 90% of this mess lies with some anti rr factions within the Michigan Admin who have now been terminated.

Tinkertrain wrote: The fault for 90% of this mess lies with some anti rr factions within the Michigan Admin who have now been terminated.

I'm not going to pile on here, because I think practicing too much isn't really that big of a deal.

But RR should have known how long they were allowed to practice. It's on him. You can't blame somebody else for that.

You can blame the people in complience for failing to tell Rich Rod of the exsistence of the CARA forms which were used to track practice time. There was no such thing as CARA forms at West Virgina and they are something unique to Michigan in that respect.

It's REAL hard to know something exsists if your own complience department doesnt bother to tell you about it. Basically the only thing Rich Rod was guilty of on this allegation is assuming that the complience department wouldnt try to sabotage him.

^^^^

the breakdown in communication is something you could blame compliance for.

^^^^ Then why didnt it happen with any other program at Tsun? The compliance department is for all programs not just football. Again another excuse. And no I dont get my rocks off bashing RRod. He brings it on himself. There has been very little postive at Tsun since he was hired. I wish I didnt have to bash. The rivalry stinks right now and the Big Ten is better when Tsun is good.

So much for the "no major violations" argument:

http://www.freep.com/article/20100224/SPORTS06/2240322/1318/NCAA-alleges-Michigan-football-broke-major-rules

NCAA is alleging that UofM "failed to adequately monitor its football program" and RRod "failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance".
RRod won't be fired before year's end, because it would be considered "without cause" and he would get a buyout.

I'll agree that USC's infractions are way more serious, but Reggie Bush's lawyers stalled that process for awhile.

I suppose this gives adage to the phrase: "Cheaters never win"

Tinkertrain wrote: You can blame the people in complience for failing to tell Rich Rod of the exsistence of the CARA forms which were used to track practice time. There was no such thing as CARA forms at West Virgina and they are something unique to Michigan in that respect.

It's REAL hard to know something exsists if your own complience department doesnt bother to tell you about it. Basically the only thing Rich Rod was guilty of on this allegation is assuming that the complience department wouldnt try to sabotage him.

OK, but he should still know that there is a limit to the amount of time they are allowed to practice.

It would be interesting to see how many huddlers were/are college athletes and how many rules are violated knowingly daily on their respective campuses.

^^^ I am sure every college breaks rules. The bad thing here is RRods own players turned him in. If you respect your coach that doesnt happen.

Rich Rod better put up 8+ wins next year or his ass is gone imo.

I don't know the details, but they could have bene Carr's players. And once the NCAA comes in, they are going to tell the truth, so there's no avoiding it once the investigation starts.

And to think, some people have called for Tressel's job. Amazing. Makes me thankful for what we have at tOSU...

^^^Very Thankful

thedynasty1998 wrote: It would be interesting to see how many huddlers were/are college athletes and how many rules are violated knowingly daily on their respective campuses.

I don't doubt that every college breaks rules and that if I were a college athlete I would have no idea what all the rules are. (There was a post a while ago about how many infractions OSU had last year, and it was a lot.)

But don't you think that every coach should know there is a limit on how much time they are allowed to practice? I don't think it's a huge deal, but it's a lousy excuse to say that he didn't know because nobody told him.