bigkahuna wrote: ^^^Taunting because you scored is fucking stupiddddddddddddddddd

Celebrating is 1 thing, but taunting is unnecessary.

while it may be unnecessary, it does not cause a reason to take the touchdown away. the other penalties that can cause a touchdown to be taken away are ones that may of aided the ball carrier from crossing the plane (holding, block in the back, etc.). if anything, taunting hinders the carrier from reaching the endzone.

ts1227 wrote: They're addressing a non-issue.

Rarely, if ever do you see someone going all "Prime Time" from like the 20 yard line to the end zone in college football. I cannot even think of a good example of this occurring at all.

Santonio Holmes pointing into the stands at like the 2 yard line in the bowl game a few years ago would have resulted in no TD and the ball around the 15-20 yard line.

NCAA FOOTBALL RULES COMMITTEE ACTION FOR 2010
Rogers Redding
Secretary-Rules Editor

INTRODUCTION
The NCAA Football Rules Committee met for the first time under the NCAA rules process which calls for rules changes to be made only in alternate years. Thus the committee did not make any rules changes for the 2010 season. The annual meeting this year gave members an opportunity to look at the game of college football holistically, consider trends in the game, and discuss and alert the membership to possible future action. The committee approved some changes to take effect in 2011 and made a small number of editorial clarifications that will go into effect in 2010 by editorial bulletin.

PLAYER SAFETY
Injured Player Procedures
When a player incurs an injury, including showing signs of a concussion, the officials will declare a timeout and the player must leave the game. He may not return until he receives approval of an appropriate medical professional designated by his institution. Relevant editorial modifications will be made to Rule 3-3-5, “Injury Timeout.” When available from the NCAA’s health and safety staff, an appendix will be distributed and added to the next addition of the rules book to assist with recognition of a concussion.

Strengthening Of Existing Rules Regarding Targeting and Initiating Contact
Editorial clarification for 2010: Current Rule 9-1-3 replaced by 9-1-3- and 9-1-4, as follows:

Targeting/Initiating Contact with Crown of the Helmet
ARTICLE 3.
No player shall target and initiate contact against an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
PENALTY—Personal foul. 15 yards. For dead-ball fouls, 15 yards from the succeeding spot. Also, automatic first down for Team B fouls if not in conflict with other rules. (Exception: Penalties for Team A personal fouls behind the neutral zone are enforced from the previous spot. Safety if the foul occurs behind Team A’s goal line) [S7, S24, S34, S38, S39, S40, S41, S45 or S46]. Flagrant offenders shall be disqualified [S47].
For Team A fouls during free or scrimmage kick plays: Enforcement may be at the previous spot or the spot where the subsequent dead ball belongs to Team B (field-goal plays exempted) (Rules 6-1-8 and 6-3-13).

Defenseless Player: Contact to Head or Neck Area
ARTICLE 4
No player shall target and initiate contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, elbow or shoulder. When in question, it is a foul. (See Points of Emphasis for a description of “Defenseless Player.”)
PENALTY—(Same as above)
Wedge Blocking on Free Kicks
The committee discussed the possibility of prohibiting an intentional wedge of three or more receiving team players on free kicks. Members will obtain more information by assessing the experience of the National Football League, which introduced such a rule in 2009. This topic will be closely examined by the committee at its 2011 meeting.

Blocking Below the Waist
The committee had an extensive discussion about blocking below the waist. There is general agreement that the current rule is overly cumbersome and complicated. Committee members will make suggestions for modification of the rule to the secretary-rules editor who will frame possible new language. This will be considered at the next committee meeting in 2011.

SPORTSMANSHIP
Pregame Warm-ups
The committee encourages conferences that do not have a pregame warm-up policy to direct that there be a 10-yard no-player zone between the 45-yard lines beginning 60 minutes before kickoff. This reinforces the Statement on Sportsmanship which was adopted by the committee for inclusion in the 2009-2010 NCAA Football Rule Book.

Unsportsmanlike Conduct Fouls
Approved for 2011
Following up on the Statement on Sportsmanship adopted last year, the committee approved by unanimous vote the following rule change which will take effect in 2011:
A live-ball foul for unsportsmanlike conduct will be treated as any other live-ball foul, rather than being administered as a dead-ball foul. When in question it is a dead-ball foul. Currently and for 2010 such fouls are treated as dead-ball fouls.

Example 1: A ball carrier is in the open field racing for the goal line. At the opponent’s 10-yard line he turns, makes a taunting gesture to his opponents pursuing him and then scores an apparent touchdown.
RULING IN 2011: Live-ball foul for unsportsmanlike conduct. Fifteen-yard penalty from the spot of the foul and the score is negated. First and 10 at the 25-yard line. (Under current rules the touchdown counts and the penalty is enforced on the try or the kickoff.)

Example 2: Third and seven at the defensive team’s 35-yard line. A defensive player is lined up in the neutral zone at the snap. The quarterback completes a pass to the tight end who races toward the end zone. At the 10-yard line he turns and taunts the players pursuing him and then crosses the goal line.
RULING IN 2011. Offside against the defense and unsportsmanlike conduct by the offense. The fouls offset and the down is repeated. No score. Third and seven at the 35-yard line. (Under current rules the offside penalty is declined by rule, the touchdown counts, and the penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct is enforced on the try or the kickoff.)

Example 3: After scoring a touchdown the ball carrier punts the ball into the stands. RULING: Dead-ball foul for unsportsmanlike conduct. The touchdown counts. The 15-yard penalty is enforced on either the try or on the succeeding kickoff, at the option of the defensive team. (No change from the current rule)

EQUIPMENT AND UNIFORMS
Television Monitors in Coaches Booths
Effective in 2011, television monitors will be allowed in the press box coaches’ booths. The home team has responsibility for insuring that coaches’ booths for both teams have identical television capability.

Uniforms and Player Adornment
1. Officials are admonished to be more careful about enforcing the equipment rules (chin straps buckled, mouth pieces in, etc.)

2. Editorial Clarification. EFFECTIVE IN 2010: (a) Players must wear soft knee pads at least ½” thick. Beginning in 2010 there is no reference to the pants covering the knees. (b) Socks must be of the same color and design. Beginning in 2010 there is no reference to length of the socks.

3. Editorial Clarification. EFFECTIVE IN 2010: If eye shade is worn it must be solid black with no words, numbers, logos or other symbols.

Sonofanump wrote: 3. Editorial Clarification. EFFECTIVE IN 2010: If eye shade is worn it must be solid black with no words, numbers, logos or other symbols.

Best new rule in the bunch. Although I do think that eye black should be allowed to have the team logo or player's jersey number on it.

bigkahuna wrote: ^^^Taunting because you scored is fucking stupiddddddddddddddddd

Celebrating is 1 thing, but taunting is unnecessary.

Except that it is subjective, and many officials do not know/see a difference between taunting and celebration. The best example that comes to mind in the Washington QB a few years ago celebrating. Since that time, it's pretty much a general consensus that it was a HORRIBLE call, and you're going to see more and more horrible calls, that decide games like that one did. The more subjective or interpretive rules you add, the more problematic it gets. Because what is taunting to official A is not to official B. It's not the IDEA of the rule that creates the problem; it's the fact that officials are humans, each is different, and the inconsistency in enforcing such rules will cause a ton of headaches and ultimately be more ineffective than effective.

Red_Skin_Pride wrote:

bigkahuna wrote: ^^^Taunting because you scored is fucking stupiddddddddddddddddd

Celebrating is 1 thing, but taunting is unnecessary.

Except that it is subjective, and many officials do not know/see a difference between taunting and celebration. The best example that comes to mind in the Washington QB a few years ago celebrating. Since that time, it's pretty much a general consensus that it was a HORRIBLE call, and you're going to see more and more horrible calls, that decide games like that one did. The more subjective or interpretive rules you add, the more problematic it gets. Because what is taunting to official A is not to official B. It's not the IDEA of the rule that creates the problem; it's the fact that officials are humans, each is different, and the inconsistency in enforcing such rules will cause a ton of headaches and ultimately be more ineffective than effective.

I agree with you. My feeling is that if you turn around while running, you are taunting.

If you do something in the endzone that is isolated or with teammates, it should be looked at as celebrating. Now obviously something like dancing is excessive and should be flagged.

It's hard to decide what is and isn't because as you said, we are all going to differ.

Red_Skin_Pride wrote: [The best example that comes to mind in the Washington QB a few years ago celebrating. Since that time, it's pretty much a general consensus that it was a HORRIBLE call

"The rule seems pretty cut and dried," coordinator of football officiating for the Pac-10 Conference Dave Cutaia said, according to the Seattle Times, of Rule 9, Section 2, Article 2c, which states that a player can be penalized for an unsportsmanlike act for "throwing the ball high into the air."

Red_Skin_Pride wrote:Because what is taunting to official A is not to official B. It's not the IDEA of the rule that creates the problem; it's the fact that officials are humans, each is different, and the inconsistency in enforcing such rules will cause a ton of headaches and ultimately be more ineffective than effective.

The higher up the football, the more consistency you will find amongst officials.

Terrible rule, I don't care what the player does as far as taunting/celebrating, tds shouldn't be taken away. It doesn't affect the play and doesn't them any kind of advantage like other penalties.

ytownfootball wrote:

tcarrier32 wrote: i still dont understand why taunting has no place in "the college game". a little bit never hurt anyone.

and dont give me that nonsense about getting paid. plenty of people are getting paid in the NCAA

Lemme guess, if a little never hurt anyone then it's fine in high school too. Then by default, it's cool for all those 8 year olds to crotch pumpin' and chest thumpin' too right?

To crotch pumpin' and chest thumpin'? LoL. I have never seen anyone 'crotch pumpin' and chest thumps are OK in my book.

LOL..there somebody with a .gif avatar with some jackass from The U crotch pumpin'...you'll see it.

The problem with a celebrating rule or taunting rule is that they only enforce it on TDs...why not sack dances, big hit dances, first down dances, and every other little routine thing that is celebrated by a dance in modern football.

My take is this...if you want to dance on TV there are all kinds of shows now for that. If you want to play football...take off your tutus and play the game. Celebrate at the end of the season when you have won something big and do it with your teammates. There is no place in football for dancing. Did Dick Butkus ever dance? How about Mike Ditka?