More of a what have you done so far with figuring in injuries. The cream will rise.

1. Chiefs (4-0)...look good and healthy. Smith at his peak. Houston healthy on defense and Hunt killing it

2. Falcons (3-1) assuming Jones and Sanu missing 2nd half cost them. If they are injured and out....Falcons aren't 2nd best

3. Packers (3-1) not greatly healthy and maybe too high but Aaron Rodgers

4. Panthers (3-1) wins @NE and Buffalo. Saints game makes this look silly but I like this team.

5. Bills (3-1)....I do not believe they are the 5th best team but wins @Falcons and vs Broncos are strong on resume

6. Steelers (3-1) Vulnerable for upsets...Steelers are healthy and looking strong now. Bears game was awful but without Watt and Tuitt. Shazier is really coming on great.

7. Rams (3-1) McVey looking great as a coach. We'll see how this plays out.

8. Patriots (2-2) another loss Thurs night and they may not be top 15, but not counting them out

9. Detroit (3-1) they look good, defense solid

10. Eagles (3-1) I think this division is tight top to bottom, doesn't look that way now though.

11. Broncos (3-1) good start. I don't believe this is a playoff team

12. Cowboys (2-2) not looking like their team did last year

13. Seahawks (2-2) hard for me to believe they aren't very good, but so far they haven't been

14. Buccaneers (2-1) I like this team. Winston is smart and just gets it done.

15. Texans (2-2) Watson looking good and confident.

16. Jaguars (2-2) I know they beat Texans bad. Play Steelers next and usually play them well. Could be biggest surprise team...could go 5-11

17. Redskins (2-2) probably too low. I like this team as well.

18. Vikings (2-2) need Bradford...with him healthy they play Steelers much tighter

19. Titans (2-2) disappointing start but still think this team is fighting for AFC South or WC

20. Raiders (2-2) Carr out 4-6 weeks. I thought they were SB contenders to start season

21. Saints (2-2) they don't look bad and waxed the Panthers

22. Ravens (2-2) they don't look as great on defense and offense is bad

23. Cardinals (2-2)....they actually might be too low but suspect they'll be in this area all season

24. Jets (2-2) not as bad as I thought they would be

25. Bengals (1-3) offense is back on track and they are better than top 25....we'll see soon how much better

26. Bears (1-3) Trubisky is up. Running game not bad

27. Colts (1-3) need their franchise QB

28. Dolphins (1-2) they are likely better than this but just seem to max out at meh

29. Giants (0-4) tough schedule so far. Eli won't struggle all year and WR core is solid but Marshall needs to play and help out

30. Chargers (0-4) tough division but Rivers will get them to 5+ wins

31. 49ers (0-4) they bad

32. Browns (0-4) looked decent against Steelers but going the wrong direction

Telling games this week:

Pats @ Bucs
Bills @ Bengals
Panthers @ Lions
Jags @ Steelers
Seahawks @ Rams
Packers @ Cowboys
Chiefs @ Texans

Moved this for you to proper forum, ya big dummy.

Laley23;1874943 wrote:Moved this for you to proper forum, ya big dummy.

A lot of damn back and forth. Thanks

Disagree on the Chargers getting to 5+ wins still.

Possible wins:
--Giants next week
--Raiders in two weeks with Carr out
--Browns
--Jacksonville, anything is possible.
--New York Jets

friendfromlowry;1874957 wrote:Disagree on the Chargers getting to 5+ wins still.

Possible wins:
--Giants next week
--Raiders in two weeks with Carr out
--Browns
--Jacksonville, anything is possible.
--New York Jets

It's still so early though. I think Chargers only team in NFL history to start 0-4 and make the playoffs. Out of conference games are always crazy unpredictable. They may not get to 5. I think they lose at Giants this week

But your Steelers are #1 on words written.

Go Browns.

BRF;1874961 wrote:But your Steelers are #1 on words written.

Go Browns.

Well, I've seen them the most.

1. Chiefs
2. Packers
3. Eagles
4. Panthers
5. Seahawks
6. New England
7. Denver

friendfromlowry;1876055 wrote:1. Chiefs
2. Packers
3. Eagles
4. Panthers
5. Seahawks
6. New England
7. Denver

Mine will be very similar but will have Falcons in top 7

Good call. Maybe replace Denver with them.

friendfromlowry;1876059 wrote:Good call. Maybe replace Denver with them.

Yeah def still learning about Denver

1. Chiefs
2. Packers
3. Panthers
4. Falcons
5. Eagles
6. Seahawks
7. Patriots
8. Broncos
9. Rams
10. Jaguars
11. Bills
12. Lions
13. Buccaneers
14. Cowboys
15. Texans
16. Steelers
17. Redskins
18. Ravens
19. Vikings
20. Jets
21. Saints
22. Bengals
23. Titans
24. Dolphins
25. Raiders
26. Cardinals
27. Colts
28. Bears
29. Chargers
30. 49ers
31. Giants
32. Browns

Telling games this week:

Eagles at Panthers
Patriots at Jets
Rams at Jaguars

Packers, Eagles and Bengals are too high. Bears are too low.

salto;1876755 wrote:Packers, Eagles and Bengals are too high. Bears are too low.

I'm not soundly on Packers wagon that there are that good. Eagles like many others....time will tell. I could be ok with Bengals being a bit higher.

Bears are hard to argue much higher

Eagles top 4 at least after last night's big win

Ironman92;1877210 wrote:Eagles top 4 at least after last night's big win

I'm not generally a "hindsight" type of guy. I really liked Carson Wentz as the top QB in that draft but was fine with the Browns trading out for more picks. Each game he plays, I'm becoming less & less "fine" with it. I really don't care that they passed on Deshaun Watson but I did really like Wentz. Right now, in Vegas (I know it's still early), Wentz is projected #4 in the MVP race behind Rodgers, Brady & Alex Smith.

Ironman92;1876767 wrote:

Bears are hard to argue much higher

Today help?

salto;1877492 wrote:Today help?

Yes, winning helps. Not getting a great feel the Ravens are very good (like everyone else it seems)

I do like the Bears ability to run.

Results this week are going to move around teams a decent bit.


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Going to wait and see if Denver wins because a top-5 ranking may be on the line for them but how far does Green Bay fall without Rodgers? Out of the top ten? Out of the top 15?

friendfromlowry;1877506 wrote:Going to wait and see if Denver wins because a top-5 ranking may be on the line for them but how far does Green Bay fall without Rodgers? Out of the top ten? Out of the top 15?

Assuming they won’t be nearly as good but will assume them some credit and at 4-2 might remain top 10


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1. Kansas City
2. Philadelphia
3. Los Angeles Rams
4. New England
5. Washington
6. Pittsburgh
7. Seattle
8. Houston

Not sold on Minnesota or Green Bay as long as they're stuck with back-up QBs.

1. Chiefs
2. Eagles
3. Patriots
4. Seahawks
5. Rams
6. Panthers
7. Steelers
8. Redskins
9. Packers
10. Jaguars
11. Texans
12. Saints
13. Falcons
14. Vikings
15. Titans
16. Cowboys
17. Broncos
18. Bills
19. Jets
20. Buccaneers
21. Lions
22. Dolphins
23. Bengals
24. Ravens
25. Cardinals
26. Bears
27. Colts
28. Chargers
29. Raiders
30. Giants
31. 49ers
32. Browns

The gap is tight for the middle 20 teams


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Winner of tonight's game will get a spot in top five, especially Philadelphia. I think the traditional powers will start to separate themselves from the rest of the pack. Patriots, Steelers, Seahawks, maybe Dallas. Still really interested to see what Buffalo and LA Rams will amount to as the season progresses. And Jacksonville.

friendfromlowry;1878418 wrote:Winner of tonight's game will get a spot in top five, especially Philadelphia. I think the traditional powers will start to separate themselves from the rest of the pack. Patriots, Steelers, Seahawks, maybe Dallas. Still really interested to see what Buffalo and LA Rams will amount to as the season progresses. And Jacksonville.

Philly wins = #1

I need a consecutive performance from Dallas to near the top 5

Pats/Seattle 2-3

Rams 4

Steelers 5

Jags 9-11