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Jan 7, 2010 4:43 PM
LTrain23 wrote: Loving Holmgren already. Great decision on not breaking up this chemistry.
I think he was right to give Mangini another chance. Do I support Mangini? Not really, but I do applaud his late season efforts, and keeping the team in a winning mentality despite having only winning 1 game the first 13 weeks.

Hopefully Mangini makes some smart personnel moves in the off-season. I really don't want to see anymore Jets brought in, with the exception of maybe Kerry Rhodes, despite his poor performance and getting benched this season.

I just want to make smart draft picks. With 11 picks we have a great opportunity to get some quality players in a very deep draft class with so many Juniors jumping ship.

However, I do expect Daboll to be replaced. His vanilla, Mo Carthon-esque offense is terrible, and if he's not replaced, then I surely hope that we figure out a way for him to improve.
Jan 7, 2010 4:43pm
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Jan 7, 2010 4:44 PM
BTW, I heard that Heckert cancelled his interview with Seattle. No link though.
Jan 7, 2010 4:44pm
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Jan 7, 2010 4:48 PM
iclfan2 wrote: BTW, I heard that Heckert cancelled his interview with Seattle. No link though.
He did, it was in the Plain Dealer. Looking for it now.

Devil could be right. Heckert may be our next GM. I'll gladly eat crow.

All the rumors last year were swirling that he didn't come to Cleveland because of Mangini, however.

The facts support the rumor though, because Heckert wants a bigger role. He wants to be able to have that control over personnel, unlike what he has in Philly, since Andy Reid is the sole person responsible for the roster. However, maybe he'll give it a shot, and try to make it work.

I really hope I'm wrong, and that Heckert is our GM within the week.
Jan 7, 2010 4:48pm
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Jan 7, 2010 4:53 PM
If he wanted control over personnel so bad he would have never interviewed with Holmgren imo, who has stated that he is the main man in control for basically everything that involves the Browns.
Jan 7, 2010 4:53pm
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Jan 7, 2010 4:57 PM
devil1197 wrote: If he wanted control over personnel so bad he would have never interviewed with Holmgren imo, who has stated that he is the main man in control for basically everything that involves the Browns.
Well, I think it's different with Holmgren because he's so close to him. He's very interested in an opportunity to have that control, and be under somebody that he is very close to, which is why I think he interviewed. Plus, you have to realize that when he first went for the interview, all the rumor's were swirling that Mangini was an unknown, and could potentially be fired. I think Heckert was more intrigued by that.

I'm thinking that maybe he talked with Holmgren, and the Walrus explained to him that he most likely will keep Mangini, but that Mangini will have a short leash.

Also, I believe that Heckert is even more inclined to get out of Philly since now it's 100% that they are unwilling to give him a bigger responsibility, compared to last year when they made it seem like it was a possibility, still.
Jan 7, 2010 4:57pm
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Jan 7, 2010 5:07 PM
I wanted Mangini gone, but at the same time, the 4 game win streak with basically practice squad talent really struck my curiosity with what Mangini could do with proper supervision with holmgren on the saddle.

With that said, I really like this move. I am anxious to see how the draft goes, and I feel that with Holmgren as the President of the Browns, that whole "NFL players hate Mangini" thing will disappear. The offense is just a RG, RT, and 2 pure WR away from being set IMO, while Rob Ryan has been proving he can field a competitive Defense even without the talent. Hopefully they use this draft for defense, because I feel it will be scary to see what Ryan does with top talent on the defensive side of the ball.

So long as they keep the momentum moving from the end of the year into the next (along with a pending schedule) I don't see how they CAN'T improve.
Jan 7, 2010 5:07pm
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Jan 7, 2010 5:08 PM
You see, there was no indication whatsoever from Homlgren that Mangini would be fired. That's why I don't buy that Heckert was intrigued by that situation.

Holmgren not once hinted at firing Mangini, it was all the play up from the media. Holmgren was going to give Mangini a fair shot with a higher possibility of being retained as the HC.
Jan 7, 2010 5:08pm
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Jan 7, 2010 5:11 PM
devil1197 wrote: You see, there was no indication whatsoever from Homlgren that Mangini would be fired. That's why I don't buy that Heckert was intrigued by that situation.

Holmgren not once hinted at firing Mangini, it was all the play up from the media. Holmgren was going to give Mangini a fair shot with a higher possibility of being retained as the HC.
There was a possibility. First of all, everybody reads the rumors, no matter where you are in the NFL. Second of all, Holmgren stated that "firing a coach after one season can be unfair... but sometimes the NFL isn't fair". It was completely 50/50, and the possibility was always there, which leads me to believe that was intriguing to Heckert. But the #1 reason Heckert interviewed was because it was for Holmgren, and he knew he'd have to get the control over the roster.
Jan 7, 2010 5:11pm
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Jan 7, 2010 5:19 PM
Listening to Holmgren you knew he was going to keep Mangini. He knows what its like to be a coach and thats the only comment that leaned anywhere near negative for Mangini and it wasn't even that bad.

Holmgren knew what he was doing all along, the interview was just a test to see if Mangini would fail horribly.
Jan 7, 2010 5:19pm
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Jan 7, 2010 5:20 PM
Per the OBR tweet:
TheOBR
Tony Grossi reporting that Heckert has canceled his interview with the Seahawks
Hmmm..
Jan 7, 2010 5:20pm
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Jan 7, 2010 5:21 PM
LTrain23 wrote: Per the OBR tweet:
TheOBR
Tony Grossi reporting that Heckert has canceled his interview with the Seahawks
Hmmm..
I can play the rumor game now like people did with Heckert this year.

Heckert cancels his interview because he learns that Mangini is staying with the Browns and now he will join Cleveland once the Eagle get stomped by Romo.
Jan 7, 2010 5:21pm
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Jan 7, 2010 5:24 PM
I would have been okay with Mangini going but I'm even more okay with him staying. Get some talent in there and see what happens.
Jan 7, 2010 5:24pm
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Jan 7, 2010 5:31 PM
DaBrowns41 wrote:
iclfan2 wrote: BTW, I heard that Heckert cancelled his interview with Seattle. No link though.
He did, it was in the Plain Dealer. Looking for it now.

Devil could be right. Heckert may be our next GM. I'll gladly eat crow.

All the rumors last year were swirling that he didn't come to Cleveland because of Mangini, however.

The facts support the rumor though, because Heckert wants a bigger role. He wants to be able to have that control over personnel, unlike what he has in Philly, since Andy Reid is the sole person responsible for the roster. However, maybe he'll give it a shot, and try to make it work.

I really hope I'm wrong, and that Heckert is our GM within the week.
These would be rumors spread by the same media that has hated, loathed and despised Mangini -- and tried at every turn to see him fired? That media?

I think Heckert is coming in as VP. Not sure how they're going to divide the duties, but I'm guessing that's what the title will be.
Jan 7, 2010 5:31pm
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Jan 7, 2010 5:40 PM
DaBrowns41 wrote:
devil1197 wrote: If he wanted control over personnel so bad he would have never interviewed with Holmgren imo, who has stated that he is the main man in control for basically everything that involves the Browns.
Well, I think it's different with Holmgren because he's so close to him. He's very interested in an opportunity to have that control, and be under somebody that he is very close to, which is why I think he interviewed. Plus, you have to realize that when he first went for the interview, all the rumor's were swirling that Mangini was an unknown, and could potentially be fired. I think Heckert was more intrigued by that.

I'm thinking that maybe he talked with Holmgren, and the Walrus explained to him that he most likely will keep Mangini, but that Mangini will have a short leash.

Also, I believe that Heckert is even more inclined to get out of Philly since now it's 100% that they are unwilling to give him a bigger responsibility, compared to last year when they made it seem like it was a possibility, still.
Or maybe he's interviewing simply because the Browns will pay him more...Shocking I know, but maybe he likes pay raises...
Jan 7, 2010 5:40pm
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Jan 7, 2010 5:48 PM
Also, last time Cleveland hired a GM, they already had Mangini as a head coach and were allowing HIM a say. Obviously, no GM want to be picked by the coach and not have control over him. It is a different situation now, especially with Holmgren in there. I hope Cleveland gets Heckert. But someone please fire Daboll.
Jan 7, 2010 5:48pm
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Jan 7, 2010 6:07 PM
I think Holmgren will allow Mangini to fire any of his assistants if Mangini feels like they are not performing...ie: Daboll. If Mangini wants to get rid of Daboll, I doubt Holmgren would have any problem with that. It wouldn't make sense to force a coach to work with his top assistant when they don't work well together...
Jan 7, 2010 6:07pm
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Jan 7, 2010 6:14 PM
devil1197 wrote: Listening to Holmgren you knew he was going to keep Mangini. He knows what its like to be a coach and thats the only comment that leaned anywhere near negative for Mangini and it wasn't even that bad.

Holmgren knew what he was doing all along, the interview was just a test to see if Mangini would fail horribly.
I disagree. I know they were just rumor's, but all the signs indicated that Holmgren was leaning towards cleaning house.

There was never any guarantee that Mangini was staying, not even close.

Hell, even Schefter thought earlier this morning that it wasn't looking good for Mangini. He's not the necessarily the media, he's a guy that follows VERY closely to all personnel and draft situations in the NFL.
Jan 7, 2010 6:14pm
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Jan 7, 2010 6:30 PM
It's all their opinions and rumos, end of story.

There was no factual evidence at all that pointed towards Holmgren cleaning house outside of one quote that said some decisions are unfair. I highly doubt that Holmgren talked to any of those reporters even Schefter.

These guys were guessing and Holmgren knew all along what he was going to do. He brought Mangini in for the meeting to discuss the future and to put him in his place for next season. If he was going to fire Mangini he would have done it way before he even scheduled a meeting.
Jan 7, 2010 6:30pm
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Jan 7, 2010 6:32 PM
devil1197 wrote: It's all their opinions and rumos, end of story.

There was no factual evidence at all that pointed towards Holmgren cleaning house outside of one quote that said some decisions are unfair. I highly doubt that Holmgren talked to any of those reporters even Schefter.

These guys were guessing and Holmgren knew all along what he was going to do. He brought Mangini in for the meeting to discuss the future and to put him in his place for next season. If he was going to fire Mangini he would have done it way before he even scheduled a meeting.
Point is, you have to look at it from both sides.

There was no factual evidence that pointed towards Holmgren firing Mangini, and there was also zero evidence that he was keeping him for sure.

That's the point I'm trying to make.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if Heckert still doesn't end up our GM or VP.

Talk is that Lewis could be the GM and Heckert VP.
Jan 7, 2010 6:32pm
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Jan 7, 2010 6:33 PM
He talked in the public way more about the possibility of keeping Mangini than anything.
Jan 7, 2010 6:33pm
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Jan 7, 2010 6:34 PM
devil1197 wrote: He talked in the public way more about the possibility of keeping Mangini than anything.
Where?
Jan 7, 2010 6:34pm
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Jan 7, 2010 6:37 PM
DaBrowns41 wrote:
devil1197 wrote: He talked in the public way more about the possibility of keeping Mangini than anything.
Where?
Your little example of "some decision are unfair" was far outnumbered by positive statements from Holmgren stating that he was going to give Mangini a fair chance, he knows what the situation is like etc etc.

Hell you knew he was bringing back Mangini with this comment...

"The only way you win in this league is if the coach and the person in my position and or a general manager are absolutely on the same wave length. That’s the only way you have a chance. You’ve all seen organizations that you kind of scratch your head and [think], ‘Why doesn’t it work for them? They should be better or their record should be better or whatever.’ It boils down to, you can pinpoint it is that egos get in the way. Everyone establishes their little power base and it destroys the team. At least it doesn’t let them accomplish what they should accomplish. My goal is to have that feeling in this building, is to have everyone thinking in a like manner, going in the same direction. Let’s put all the egos aside for a second and let’s get around the job of winning. That meeting I’m going to have with him tomorrow.”

Right then you knew he was going to set Mangini in his place and keep him around. First thing about the Browns he said in his presser. Positive, reassuring to the team about getting on the same thinking level.
Jan 7, 2010 6:37pm
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Jan 7, 2010 6:47 PM
devil1197 wrote:
DaBrowns41 wrote:
devil1197 wrote: He talked in the public way more about the possibility of keeping Mangini than anything.
Where?
Your little example of "some decision are unfair" was far outnumbered by positive statements from Holmgren stating that he was going to give Mangini a fair chance, he knows what the situation is like etc etc.

Hell you knew he was bringing back Mangini with this comment...

"The only way you win in this league is if the coach and the person in my position and or a general manager are absolutely on the same wave length. That’s the only way you have a chance. You’ve all seen organizations that you kind of scratch your head and [think], ‘Why doesn’t it work for them? They should be better or their record should be better or whatever.’ It boils down to, you can pinpoint it is that egos get in the way. Everyone establishes their little power base and it destroys the team. At least it doesn’t let them accomplish what they should accomplish. My goal is to have that feeling in this building, is to have everyone thinking in a like manner, going in the same direction. Let’s put all the egos aside for a second and let’s get around the job of winning. That meeting I’m going to have with him tomorrow.”

Right then you knew he was going to set Mangini in his place and keep him around. First thing about the Browns he said in his presser. Positive, reassuring to the team about getting on the same thinking level.
It was positive... about what he wanted to do with the team.

Nowhere in that entire paragraph did it even imply that Mangini MIGHT be back.

His press conferences were very neutral. He never indicated which way he was going, which is why nobody could figure out what was going to be Mangini's fate.

In no way did he ever even hint that Mangini was staying, and I highly, highly doubt he had his mind made up about a man he knew very little about immediately.
Jan 7, 2010 6:47pm
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Jan 7, 2010 6:50 PM
Lol, ok.

Agree to disagree but those pundits who thought Mangini was going to be fired right away were clearly going off pure bullshit and it was obvious.

That paragraph clearly states to me that he was bringing Mangini in to the meeting (last line) to get on the same wavelength for the team going into 2010.
Jan 7, 2010 6:50pm
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Jan 7, 2010 6:56 PM
devil1197 wrote: Lol, ok.

Agree to disagree but those pundits who thought Mangini was going to be fired right away were clearly going off pure bullshit and it was obvious.

That paragraph clearly states to me that he was bringing Mangini in to the meeting (last line) to get on the same wavelength for the team going into 2010.
I agree that it was BS too. In my eyes, there was no indication which way it would go. I felt that he was going to clean house, Bill Parcells style, however, which I feel is the smart way to go.

That paragraph states to me that he was telling Mangini his plan, and what he's looking for in a HC and a leader of the organization, basically an interview for Mangini. And apparently Mangini passed.
Jan 7, 2010 6:56pm