like_that
Posts: 26,625
Aug 24, 2017 9:12pm
You also listed Lowry and Teague ahead of Kyrie at one point, so there is also that [emoji23].Laley23;1868619 wrote:Literally the only reason to hate on IT, while loving Kyrie is height. Kyrie is a better shot getter, but he didn't do anything else to help you win. Nothing. And IT isn't a slouch scoring.
What are those stats from? Career or his time in Boston? Cause in Boston, he kinda had to take all the shots and never pass. That team had zero offense outside of him.
Im far from an IT superfan, but I'm also realistic in the fact Kyrie is an offensive genius and nothing else. I wouldn't put Kyrie in the top 5 PGs last year.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Aug 24, 2017 9:22pm
Lol, this is true. I'll own it. Lowry isn't a bad player by any means. Teague has fallen off a cliff.like_that;1868622 wrote:You also listed Lowry and Teague ahead of Kyrie at one point, so there is also that [emoji23].
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 24, 2017 11:07pm
Let's hear your top 5 PG list.Laley23;1868619 wrote:Literally the only reason to hate on IT, while loving Kyrie is height. Kyrie is a better shot getter, but he didn't do anything else to help you win. Nothing. And IT isn't a slouch scoring.
What are those stats from? Career or his time in Boston? Cause in Boston, he kinda had to take all the shots and never pass. That team had zero offense outside of him.
Im far from an IT superfan, but I'm also realistic in the fact Kyrie is an offensive genius and nothing else. I wouldn't put Kyrie in the top 5 PGs last year.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Aug 24, 2017 11:13pm
WestbrookCommander of Awesome;1868632 wrote:Let's hear your top 5 PG list.
Curry
Harden
CP3
Wall
Kyrie
Conley
Lillard
Lowry
IT
CP3 is on his last legs it seems, so probably won't have another top 5 year, you wouldn't think.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 24, 2017 11:32pm
I'd go Top 5:Laley23;1868634 wrote:Westbrook
Curry
Harden
CP3
Wall
Kyrie
Conley
Lillard
Lowry
IT
CP3 is on his last legs it seems, so probably won't have another top 5 year, you wouldn't think.
RW
Conley
Lillard
Wall
LBJ
Honorable Mention:
Kyrie
Curry (tho I hate his fucking defense and it still pisses me off he was 2 time MVP)
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 25, 2017 1:17pm
LOL
Shump: I would like you to trade me
Cavs: That makes two of us
Also, something we all already know, but still:
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/247259/Executives-Expect-LeBron-James-To-Leave-Cavs-In-2018
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kizer permanente
Posts: 667
Aug 25, 2017 1:38pm
Commander of Awesome;1868685 wrote:
LOL
Shump: I would like you to trade me
Cavs: That makes two of us
Also, something we all already know, but still:
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/247259/Executives-Expect-LeBron-James-To-Leave-Cavs-In-2018
Lol poor Shump.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Aug 25, 2017 11:25pm
So apparently the trade may not happen. Cavs not impressed with IT's hip recovery.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 26, 2017 10:46am
I think it still gets done. Cavs can't get better offer and IT shouldn't have been in the plans regardless.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 26, 2017 10:47am
IT is the main piece (possibly the Nets pick) of the trade, if he's not healthy, it should NOT get done.Commander of Awesome;1868748 wrote:I think it still gets done. Cavs can't get better offer and IT shouldn't have been in the plans regardless.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Aug 26, 2017 11:08am
How would you rework the deal? Hayward for IT? : thumbup:SportsAndLady;1868750 wrote:IT is the main piece (possibly the Nets pick) of the trade, if he's not healthy, it should NOT get done.
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kizer permanente
Posts: 667
Aug 26, 2017 11:23am
Throw in Smart or Tatum (Celtics won't do Tatum guaranteed) and it's still a haul whether IT is fully healthy or not.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Aug 26, 2017 11:28am
If I'm Cavs, I take it off the table. Kyrie was already unhappy, so no loss there. But Celtics have now pissed off IT, so maybe they throw in more to assure the deal gets done not wanting an unhappy PG on their team. Make them throw in Tatum (and reallllly push for him) or Smart, along with IT to get it done.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 26, 2017 11:29am
Zero interest in Smart, especially as the main piece.
Tatum would be fine, but he could be a bust, we don't know.
Just hope IT's hip will be fine and we can move on post-Kyrie.
Tatum would be fine, but he could be a bust, we don't know.
Just hope IT's hip will be fine and we can move on post-Kyrie.
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kizer permanente
Posts: 667
Aug 26, 2017 12:05pm
Or if you think Lebron leaves (which he probably will) grab the lakers first rounder off them too so you have BK's and LA's pick
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Aug 26, 2017 12:20pm
Consider me in the camp of "Lebron is not leaving."
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 26, 2017 12:35pm
You really think IT is the main piece?SportsAndLady;1868750 wrote:IT is the main piece (possibly the Nets pick) of the trade, if he's not healthy, it should NOT get done.
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kizer permanente
Posts: 667
Aug 26, 2017 12:55pm
Pretty much the only way Lebron is staying is if they win this year. And not saying they can't. But they probably won't.ernest_t_bass;1868759 wrote:Consider me in the camp of "Lebron is not leaving."
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 26, 2017 1:01pm
Only you and your delusional hot takes think IT wasn't the main piece in that trade (again, I already mentioned maybe the Nets pick).Commander of Awesome;1868760 wrote:You really think IT is the main piece?
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Aug 26, 2017 1:07pm
Has Lebron confirmed (or denied)? Until either happens, I think it's true 50/50 speculation. I sway to the side of him staying.kizer permanente;1868761 wrote:Pretty much the only way Lebron is staying is if they win this year. And not saying they can't. But they probably won't.
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kizer permanente
Posts: 667
Aug 26, 2017 1:34pm
Lebron would never do that. It's common knowledge he can't stand Gilbert. It will take a lot to keep him here. Like winning another championship. The only thing Cleveland has going for them is the best chance to win a championship. And this year will tell that a little better too.ernest_t_bass;1868763 wrote:Has Lebron confirmed (or denied)? Until either happens, I think it's true 50/50 speculation. I sway to the side of him staying.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Aug 26, 2017 1:58pm
Im saying as an add-on. Not replacing IT.SportsAndLady;1868757 wrote:Zero interest in Smart, especially as the main piece.
Tatum would be fine, but he could be a bust, we don't know.
Just hope IT's hip will be fine and we can move on post-Kyrie.
But even still, why don't you want Smart? Terrific defender who can guard multiple spots.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 26, 2017 2:06pm
He can't shoot.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Aug 26, 2017 3:35pm
I'm also not sold that Lebron is leaving but I'm also past the point of GAF. I understand he doesn't like Gilbert but the organization has tried very hard to give him everything he wants. If he wants to bounce to LA or wherever then peace. Have fun with the douchebag Ball family.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 26, 2017 4:46pm
That is not true, not sure why you're being so aggressive about it. IT can't shoot, can't defend, and can't play in the post season. He was only in the trade bc of salary and Celtics willing to get rid of him. He'll chew up some reg season minutes only.SportsAndLady;1868762 wrote:Only you and your delusional hot takes think IT wasn't the main piece in that trade (again, I already mentioned maybe the Nets pick).