CenterBHSFan;1866658 wrote: But here's where it's getting tricky. Youtube has demonetized Diamond and Silk. The howls of outrage have started that youtube is now preying on black folk because of differing political viewpoints. Apparently, black folk are only a protected class if they fall into the left category.
You can't make this crap up!

This is what is scary about Google and Facebook when they decide to silence views they disagree with. You can talk about opportunities for new competition to emerge, but I think the reality is its tough for a start-up to get momentum. Of course, anyone that does get anywhere ends up being bought by Google or Facebook.

Not sure what to think about Diamond and Silk, though. They almost strike me as actresses doing a parody. They can be entertaining, but if they weren't black females parroting conservative talking points no one would pay them any attention.

CenterBHSFan;1866671 wrote:Huh. Well, which supporters do you think this comes from?

gosh a ruddies, obviously not these guys.

Only 1 party has elected a Grand Kleagle to the senate.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/10-states-with-the-most-hate-groups/ss-AAq4BGR?li=BBnbcA1#image=10

I don't know if it means anything or not but 9 of the 10 states with the most hate groups voted for Trump in 2016. The one state of the 10 that went for Clinton was Virginia. Ironic if nothing else.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/neo-nazis-grow-bolder-antifa-emerged-fight-195800993.html

Both groups deserve each other. Pick a spot, have them meet up and then forget about them.

BoatShoes;1866652 wrote:You think he seriously stretched one verse. I think you seriously stretch a verse when you claim a random line in Job is evidence that Dinosaurs were on the Ark. Bob Jones' beliefs are just as sincere as yours.

Any reasonable person would agree that he stretched that verse.

There are far more than 1 verse that reference dinosaurs.

How can some people complain that Trump had to specifically name the kkk and white supremacists and then turn around and complain that Obama didn't have to name blm? Either Trump should have and Obama should have or neither should have. I understand you're trying point out the hypocrisy but by defending Trump you are participating in it. At the same time they are complaining that the media is trying to paint everyone on the right with the crazy paintbrush because this guy was crazy and the right doesn't appreciate that. But if this guy was Muslim the right would be all over it. Please try to be consistent in your complaining..

gut;1866679 wrote:This is what is scary about Google and Facebook when they decide to silence views they disagree with. You can talk about opportunities for new competition to emerge, but I think the reality is its tough for a start-up to get momentum. Of course, anyone that does get anywhere ends up being bought by Google or Facebook.

Not sure what to think about Diamond and Silk, though. They almost strike me as actresses doing a parody. They can be entertaining, but if they weren't black females parroting conservative talking points no one would pay them any attention.

I have to agree with pretty much everything here. But in particular the last paragraph. Youtube can censor and target any people they want, they have that right, and any uploader should know this by now. But it certainly isn't good optics and I'm not sure if it's good policy by any standard to be so openly and heavily political. If you get enough of the "big names" raising a big stink about it - youtube will have to at least reconsider if this is the path that they want to stay on.

superman;1866683 wrote:
Only 1 party has elected a Grand Kleagle to the senate.

And only one party still depends on Klan support.

Looks like progressives suck at doxing almost as badly as they do at memes.

Predictably the left is trying to shed good light on Antifa. As boatshoes said, it really must hard to call a spade a spade.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/neo-nazis-grow-bolder-antifa-emerged-fight-195800993.html

I swear the left gets a hard on for this type of shit and actually roots for it just for the virtue signaling.

I have a legitimate question for our left leaning posters. Without bringing up Trump, what has the left done to appeal to the people who didn't vote for Hillary?

This isn't a "gotcha" question, because other than allowing the GOP expose themselves as inept liars (healthcare), I can't think one thing the left has done to appeal to the non Hillary voters. Keep in mind this also includes people who voted libertarian or didn't vote at all. I am seeking responses from left leaning posters not named isadore or said/salto and I would also could do without cc and quakers predictable rah rah conservatives posts.

The fact that no one talks about Antifa jacking up multiple cities and are violent/vandals at all times is absurd. Half of the violence in Charlottesville was caused by them. I've brought it up multiple times on here. The left has glorified "punching nazis", or using violence against people you don't agree with and no one gives a shit.

Oh, and now the left thinks it's ok to rip down statues of people from history they don't like (see Durham confederate soldier statue torn down). Where the hell were the police. Regardless of your opinion on having confederate monuments, you have have these freak losers going around tearing them down without consequence.


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like_that;1866716 wrote:Predictably the left is trying to shed good light on Antifa. As boatshoes said, it really must hard to call a spade a spade.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/neo-nazis-grow-bolder-antifa-emerged-fight-195800993.html

I swear the left gets a hard on for this type of shit and actually roots for it just for the virtue signaling.

I have a legitimate question for our left leaning posters. Without bringing up Trump, what has the left done to appeal to the people who didn't vote for Hillary?

This isn't a "gotcha" question, because other than allowing the GOP expose themselves as inept liars (healthcare), I can't think one thing the left has done to appeal to the non Hillary voters. Keep in mind this also includes people who voted libertarian or didn't vote at all. I am seeking responses from left leaning posters not named isadore or said/salto and I would also could do without cc and quakers predictable rah rah conservatives posts.

iclfan2;1866717 wrote:The fact that no one talks about Antifa jacking up multiple cities and are violent/vandals at all times is absurd. Half of the violence in Charlottesville was caused by them. I've brought it up multiple times on here. The left has glorified "punching nazis", or using violence against people you don't agree with and no one gives a shit.

Oh, and now the left thinks it's ok to rip down statues of people from history they don't like (see Durham confederate soldier statue torn down). Where the hell were the police. Regardless of your opinion on having confederate monuments, you have have these freak losers going around tearing them down without consequence.


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Growing up in Portsmouth in southern Ohio, I remember a KKK rally when I was a kid. I grew up in a mixed household and do remember my parents approach to the KKK rally was not to march against it, but simply ignore it and telling others in town to not show up and simply do not give them the right of day. Yes, we should speak out against the KKK, but using violence to stop violence does not make sense. I get the anger, but what the lefty groups did over the weekend was not the answer. Those Antifa groups are not as bad as the KKK or Nazis, but they are totally not the way to respond. Those groups are pretty fucked up and are not helping at all. But, nothing is as equal to the KKK or Nazi's.

I wouldn't say the two were the same over the weekend in Charlottesville, but I would agree the left did not help the situation. I'll also add that I had two friends and my sister in law that live in that area. The violence was not proportional according to them. They do agree that the left portions were not helping though.
I also think the taking down of the monument in NC was the wrong way to go. Remove the statues yes, but not like that.

And, to Like_that's question on what the left has done to appeal to the people who didn't vote for Hilliary, other than saving some parts of Obamacare, absolutely nothing. The left is just as fucked up right now as the right.

majorspark;1866653 wrote:Did you ever think his belief may be media driven rather then by Trump's actual beliefs?

Sure. driven by the alternative media like Breitbart, Drudge, Prison Planet, WND, and all of the rest which whole-heartedly promulgated the meme that Trump - mostly through his campaigned-for positions on legal and illegal immigration - was the most amenable to alternative right conservatives more interested in preserving western culture in America than laissez-faire capitalist markets and liberal democracy.

But yeah maybe Mr. Fields watched Anderson Cooper call Trump a racist on CNN rather than the pro-trump media portraying him as the savior of western civilization and so it is teh Librul Media's fault.

like_that;1866716 wrote:Predictably the left is trying to shed good light on Antifa. As boatshoes said, it really must hard to call a spade a spade.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/neo-nazis-grow-bolder-antifa-emerged-fight-195800993.html

I swear the left gets a hard on for this type of shit and actually roots for it just for the virtue signaling.

I have a legitimate question for our left leaning posters. Without bringing up Trump, what has the left done to appeal to the people who didn't vote for Hillary?

This isn't a "gotcha" question, because other than allowing the GOP expose themselves as inept liars (healthcare), I can't think one thing the left has done to appeal to the non Hillary voters. Keep in mind this also includes people who voted libertarian or didn't vote at all. I am seeking responses from left leaning posters not named isadore or said/salto and I would also could do without cc and quakers predictable rah rah conservatives posts.

I 100% agree that only attacking Trump and then trying to imply that average conservatives who begrudingly embrace Trump is a terrible move on the part of the left. Moreover, I think it is a horrible mistake to not act like Antifa is not a radical group. I had a discussion with a Conservative friend the other day that - this particular incident notwithstanding - that groups like Antifa and their antics get regularly highlighted by alternative media and my sense is that - while I don't think Antifa is to be blamed for right wing white supremacists - the Antifa/SJW type left makes "normal Americans" more amenable toward voting GOP.


But as to what the left has done to appeal to non-Hillary voters - I think their "better deal" proposals largely fell flat and have been swallowed by the left's primary narrative regarding Trump being a disaster/in the tank for Russia, etc.

In other words, I don't think the left has done much concretely at all to try to win back non-Hillary voters and my own take is that this is a complete failure.

jmog;1866693 wrote:Any reasonable person would agree that he stretched that verse.

There are far more than 1 verse that reference dinosaurs.

Quoted for absurdity.

BoatShoes;1866720 wrote:But yeah maybe Mr. Fields watched Anderson Cooper call Trump a racist on CNN rather than the pro-trump media portraying him as the savior of western civilization and so it is teh Librul Media's fault.

The pure as teh wind driven snow librul media plays no part in this shit show.

ptown_trojans_1;1866719 wrote:Those Antifa groups are not as bad as the KKK or Nazis, but they are totally not the way to respond.

Not as bad in which way? Up until this weekend I haven't seen a single news article about white nationalism riots recently. I'm not saying there weren't any, but I hadn't heard much. However, I do see a large amount of Antifa ones in Seattle, Portland, Berkley, and other places, and it seems like it is a regular occurrence and all end up in violence or vandalism. If you want to get into belied systems than sure, hating entire people for having the wrong religion or skin color is much worse than socialism drivel. Thinking about it more, I'd say the alt-right creates more f'd up people who could carry out actual murderous acts, and Antifa creates a bigger issue locally with riots/ protests/ assault type violence/ and vandalism. So on that level the murders would be worse. But I still don't get why they get a free pass from the left when they are attacking normal conservatives and not the alt-right. There was an article today where they attacked a guy going to a vigil for the Charlotessvile woman who was attached because he had a YAF hat on. No one is going to care. But we all know what would happen if it was some other way around. Like Boatshoes said, this is only going to keep moderates towards the right.

Also, interested in your opinion of why the statues should come down. What about a Lenin statue in Seattle? Or a guy who owned slaves but was a signer of the declaration of independence, or a President, or a VP? Where do you draw the line and who gets to decide what statues are offensive? I personally think it is a slippery slope, regardless of being from the North.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-obama-trump-voters-are-real-here%E2%80%99s-what-they-think/ar-AAq8pgF?li=BBnb7Kz

Pretty good article explaining the voting pattern of the 2016 election. A pretty slim line dividing who and why the voters voted as they did.

iclfan2;1866731 wrote:Not as bad in which way? Up until this weekend I haven't seen a single news article about white nationalism riots recently. I'm not saying there weren't any, but I hadn't heard much. However, I do see a large amount of Antifa ones in Seattle, Portland, Berkley, and other places, and it seems like it is a regular occurrence and all end up in violence or vandalism. If you want to get into belied systems than sure, hating entire people for having the wrong religion or skin color is much worse than socialism drivel.

Also, interested in your opinion of why the statues should come down. What about a Lenin statue in Seattle? Or a guy who owned slaves but was a signer of the declaration of independence, or a President, or a VP? Where do you draw the line and who gets to decide what statues are offensive? I personally think it is a slippery slope, regardless of being from the North.

Nazi's are a whole other level of stupid and crazy, and the antifa are not far behind, but they are not the same totally. On the evil scale, let's say Nazi's are like a 10, Antifa are like an 8. But, specifically over the weekend, from my friends and family there, they suggested the violence was more on the KKK/ Nazi than the Antifa. Either way, both sides suck and need to stop with the violence.

On the statues:
The "confederate" statues were mostly put up by Daughters of the Confederacy, not only to "honor" the rebels that rebelled against the Union/ but also as a fight against equality and support for Jim Crow.
I'm in favor of all Confederate statues being taken down, roads renamed, U.S. bases renamed. They lost. Do not honor them. Remove them from public spaces and instead put them where they belong, either cemeteries or private lands. The civil war and the full history of the war can still be taught in schools, on civil war battlefields, and in the ton of history books available.


On the founding fathers ones, I'm not in favor of removing them, but adding context. Yes, Jefferson and Washington owned slaves, and that is part of their history that needs explained, but they were still our founding fathers. Slavery is the original sin of the United States and it must always be included in the founding and history of the nation. The Wilson building at Yale should still be named for Wilson, but adding context also saying Wilson was a horrible racist that undid many civil rights laws.

A Lenin statue in Seattle is dumb, dude was a commie and not an American.

I'll add the May speech by the NOLA mayor was way better than I at articulating the point of view:
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/05/mayor_landrieu_speech_confeder.html

It's extreme views that cause all of the trouble - every time. Trying to justify one side's extremism with the presence of the other side's doesn't get us anywhere. Comparing extreme views is not helpful either. I think most people do not identify with the extreme left or the extreme right. The problem is that those two groups tend to say the things that get the most attention - because they are incendiary. The people that follow the extremes are generally not interested in shifting their paradigms either. They see everything as black and white.

like_that;1866716 wrote:Predictably the left is trying to shed good light on Antifa. As boatshoes said, it really must hard to call a spade a spade.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/neo-nazis-grow-bolder-antifa-emerged-fight-195800993.html

I swear the left gets a hard on for this type of shit and actually roots for it just for the virtue signaling.

I have a legitimate question for our left leaning posters. Without bringing up Trump, what has the left done to appeal to the people who didn't vote for Hillary?

This isn't a "gotcha" question, because other than allowing the GOP expose themselves as inept liars (healthcare), I can't think one thing the left has done to appeal to the non Hillary voters. Keep in mind this also includes people who voted libertarian or didn't vote at all. I am seeking responses from left leaning posters not named isadore or said/salto and I would also could do without cc and quakers predictable rah rah conservatives posts.

Not much; too much playing identity politics and not enough actually doing anything that benefits people as a whole. I mean, Trump did the same thing; he just was smart enough to target poorer, working class white people and tell them that they're the ones being abandoned by the Ds while the Ds were more or less ignoring them and the impact that's been having on their polls. But that's a big part of why I voted third party -- both of the big two are pretty much impotent entities now that only exist to oppose the other and don't have much of any idea of what to do when they actually have control.

iclfan2;1866717 wrote:The fact that no one talks about Antifa jacking up multiple cities and are violent/vandals at all times is absurd. Half of the violence in Charlottesville was caused by them. I've brought it up multiple times on here. The left has glorified "punching nazis", or using violence against people you don't agree with and no one gives a shit.

Oh, and now the left thinks it's ok to rip down statues of people from history they don't like (see Durham confederate soldier statue torn down). Where the hell were the police. Regardless of your opinion on having confederate monuments, you have have these freak losers going around tearing them down without consequence.


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Man, we have changed as a society, going from "being at war with Nazis" to "being upset because someone punched a Nazi because that just isn't nice". Which is part of the political divide -- where people find this bizarre need to defend political extremists because they have some vague connection to their political beliefs, leading to left-wingers acting like everyone involved with groups like Antifa are perfect citizens and right-wingers saying that Nazis are victims.

Heretic;1866750 wrote:Man, we have changed as a society, going from "being at war with Nazis" to "being upset because someone punched a Nazi because that just isn't nice". Which is part of the political divide -- where people find this bizarre need to defend political extremists because they have some vague connection to their political beliefs, leading to left-wingers acting like everyone involved with groups like Antifa are perfect citizens and right-wingers saying that Nazis are victims.

That was not what I meant as all. I don't support violence among either side (unless they are starting it and it is defense). My point was that saying its "ok" to punch a nazi, means it's ok to punch anything you disagree with. I think neo-nazis are idiots, and I think anyone involved in either side is an idiot. I don't give a shit that Richard Spencer was punched. But again, where is the line drawn about when violence is ok about someone's belief you disagree with? That was the point I was trying to make.

Heretic;1866750 wrote: Man, we have changed as a society, going from "being at war with Nazis" to "being upset because someone punched a Nazi because that just isn't nice". Which is part of the political divide -- where people find this bizarre need to defend political extremists because they have some vague connection to their political beliefs, leading to left-wingers acting like everyone involved with groups like Antifa are perfect citizens and right-wingers saying that Nazis are victims.

Part of it appears to come from the need to have a good guy and a bad guy in every conflict. We were on the winning side of WWII fighting on the same side as the communists. Does that make the commies less of a shit stain on the underwear of humanity than the nazis? Not really.

Given that every news story is a purposeful hit job, when can we go after the media for hate crimes against Trump?